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Bronny James had a heart attack at USC yesterday

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Sad news regardless of anyone's thoughts on LeBron
I know the kid loves basketball but given these circumstances it might be time to walk away from the game. This happening at his age obviously isn't normal, it could be something like an enlarged heart--nothing to mess around with. Best news is he'll get the best treatment money can buy. Hopefully a speedy recovery.
 
You never know, it's happening so frequently now to young athletes and I'm seeing it amongst friends in my late 40s age group as well. It seems way too frequent although who knows the situation for each person individually. The cumulative is what is concerning me.
I just find it amazing that we aren't even allowed to ask the question if the covid vaccines have anything to do with an uptick in young, healthy athletes' issues with cardiac arrest and clotting.
 
I just find it amazing that we aren't even allowed to ask the question if the covid vaccines have anything to do with an uptick in young, healthy athletes' issues with cardiac arrest and clotting.
It's just that you won't get a straight answer even if you do ask. To be fair, there probably isn't real research on it and there's also possibly a reason there isn't real research on it.
 
I just find it amazing that we aren't even allowed to ask the question if the covid vaccines have anything to do with an uptick in young, healthy athletes' issues with cardiac arrest and clotting.
Maybe you are arent allowed, but I always ask the question. I’m pretty sure there are studies that are showing the increase in young men and males n their 40’s.
 
Maybe the issue is with Covid exposure itself. That needs to be studied harder as it’s a real issue
The issue as I have read is with the spike protein in COVID which damages cardiovascular systems. The spike protein by the way is the same one that the mRNA vaccines constantly produce within your body to trigger an immune response to it to recognize and attack it in the COVID molecule. We know that the spike protein causes issues to cardiovascular health and we know that a constant state of immune response also does.
 
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Now see that isn't permitted to be studied harder as the other poster suggested.
Where did I say that? However I have a clear understanding of how the mRNA injection works. I just think its funny how no one ever blames covid itself when its well established how the virus causes cardio issues.

As for Bronny who knows what happened. I wish him the best. He worked hard to get to where he is at and it could be changing for him.
 
Maybe the issue is with Covid exposure itself. That needs to be studied harder as it’s a real issue
There is definitely clotting associated with covid exposure.


and blood clots can lead to heart attacks. More likely to be a side effect of the virus than the vaccine.
 
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I just find it amazing that we aren't even allowed to ask the question if the covid vaccines have anything to do with an uptick in young, healthy athletes' issues with cardiac arrest and clotting.
You can ask...any medical procedure has its risks or consequences, even to an unpredictable small population....make a conscious decision.
 
Where did I say that? However I have a clear understanding of how the mRNA injection works. I just think its funny how no one ever blames covid itself when its well established how the virus causes cardio issues.

As for Bronny who knows what happened. I wish him the best. He worked hard to get to where he is at and it could be changing for him.
I'll blame COVID when you acknowledge that the virus is the product of gain of function research, funded by the DOD and Anthony Fauci, and developed at UNC and Wuhan.

I do hope the kid is alright. My fear, however, is that this is the new normal.
 



 
Sad news regardless of anyone's thoughts on LeBron
I know the kid loves basketball but given these circumstances it might be time to walk away from the game. This happening at his age obviously isn't normal, it could be something like an enlarged heart--nothing to mess around with. Best news is he'll get the best treatment money can buy. Hopefully a speedy recovery.
This ! Not worth the risk anymore for the young man
 
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Where did I say that? However I have a clear understanding of how the mRNA injection works. I just think its funny how no one ever blames covid itself when its well established how the virus causes cardio issues.

As for Bronny who knows what happened. I wish him the best. He worked hard to get to where he is at and it could be changing for him.
My reference about you having said it was in the statement "That needs to be studied harder as it’s a real issue". I didn't imply that specifically you said that vaccine deaths could not be studied harder.
 
Because scientists think it is antibodies that cause the clots. There will be far more antibodies from an actual infection as opposed to the vaccine (which has far fewer). So unless someone never had the virus (which at this point is probably pretty unlikely, even it was asymptomatic) this seems like the most logical pathway, based on what we know about what is causing the clots.


(sorry for the Meatchicken link but they do a good job of explaining it)
 
Because scientists think it is antibodies that cause the clots. There will be far more antibodies from an actual infection as opposed to the vaccine (which has far fewer). So unless someone never had the virus (which at this point is probably pretty unlikely, even it was asymptomatic) this seems like the most logical pathway, based on what we know about what is causing the clots.


(sorry for the Meatchicken link but they do a good job of explaining it)
Now who would have produced more antibodies:

1) 18 year old male, no shots, infected once or twice a year or two ago

2) 18 year old male, 2 shots plus at least 1 or more boosters spread over a couple of years, infected once or twice a year or two ago

Thanks!
 
Now who would have produced more antibodies:

1) 18 year old male, no shots, infected once or twice a year or two ago

2) 18 year old male, 2 shots plus at least 1 or more boosters spread over a couple of years, infected once or twice a year or two ago

Thanks!
A good question. But probably #1. The vaccine is a very controlled stimulation of your immune system. When you have an actual infection, your immune system goes 1000 mph (meaning far more antibodies).
 
He says so and wants it to be so. Remember this is the poster that pushed many false government narratives in the COVID thread including false claims about the shots.
Which false government narrative are those? (trust me, you don't want to go down this pathway)
 
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Which false government narrative are those? (trust me, you don't want to go down this pathway)
Here are a few of your previous statements that you can justify if you like. If you want, I will grab some more.

It's not just about you. Just like the flu is not just about you, it is about being a vector for spread, covid is the same way.

Everyone should get every vaccine that is relevant to the geography that they live in. There is no good scientific reason not to and if you choose not to get a vaccine (be it covid or the flu or whatever) you are either ignorant or selfish or both.

Everyone's risk tolerance is difference, however, if you understand risk management, and/or want society to return to normal, not getting the vaccine is, at best, ignorant.

I would not argue with you that the current policy regarding return to normality is not being handled properly. However, if you accept that you, as an individual, are unlikely to change that policy, and that policy stressed maximum vaccination, if you want things to return to normal, you need to get vaccinated. Now, it is perfectly fine to say that you don't really care if things return to normal and the tiny, tiny, tiny risk associated with vaccination is not worth it to you. That is an acceptable logical conclusion. It is selfish as it screws it up for everyone else, but it internally logical, if these are metrics of decision making.

Regarding the J&J vaccine, the only thing handled wrong was that they should not have paused vaccinations. 1 death in 7 million doses is statistically insignificant.

All three vaccines are safe.

Kids also don't get sick from getting the vaccine, so if there is any chance that it helps kids not transmit it to grandma, why not do it?

Part of this is reporting bias.

People have accepted the flu shot as safe, so if someone has aches and pains two days afterwards (because they were, for example, shoveling snow) they are unlikely to report it to VAERS (again VAERS is self reported, data that are not QA-QC'd).

Because you get a giant pamphlet of material when you get a covid vaccine, plus you hear all this disinformation (e.g. this thread) people will tend to report new vaccines more than older "accepted" vaccines.

But the important thing here is DO NOT USE THE RAW VAERS DATA. IT IS NOT USEFUL UNTIL AFTER IT HAS BEEN QA/QC'D.

Three points here:

1) I disagree that there has been less than full transparency, at least compared to other FDA authorizations. Raw data is only usually shared much much later in the process for reasons I have stated above. Having said that, I don't work for FDA or CDC (although I am in a sports league with a lot of those folks) so if someone has more documentation about what is "normal" for transparency, please share.

2) There are no vaccine mandates that will force anyone to get vaccinated. Having said that, there absolutely CAN (and will) be vaccine requirements for education (not new, kids have needed vaccines for other things for years), employment (not new for some jobs), and other venues (e.g. restaurants, which is new, but restaurants are obviously not a Constitutionally guaranteed right).

3)I don't think we have enough data to know how effective natural immunity is. I think you are right in that there is certainly a natural immunity component, but that doesn't really translate into a reasonable public health strategy (e.g. please get covid so you have immunity....from covid).

I honestly don't know. I hope not.

But people saying "I don't trust the CDC" are a little too far afield for me to have a rational conversation with.

Thinking it is ignorant and cruel just means you should have paid more attention in science class. Either that or just leave the science to the scientists.
 
As it turns out, the vaccine did not prevent you from getting Covid. The vaccine did not prevent you from getting quite sick from Covid. The vaccine did not prevent you from passing Covid on to others.

The people who still fervently defend the vaccine do so because they simply do not want to admit they were wrong.
 
Sad news regardless of anyone's thoughts on LeBron
I know the kid loves basketball but given these circumstances it might be time to walk away from the game. This happening at his age obviously isn't normal, it could be something like an enlarged heart--nothing to mess around with. Best news is he'll get the best treatment money can buy. Hopefully a speedy recovery.
You know it’s from the shot
 
Which false government narrative are those? (trust me, you don't want to go down this pathway)
You are brain washed. I never the flu vaccine. I haven’t had the flu since grade school and I’m 60 now. Didn’t get the Covid jab. Had Covid once and no symptoms. I think I’m doing alright. Your the ignorant one pal.
 
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I just find it amazing that we aren't even allowed to ask the question if the covid vaccines have anything to do with an uptick in young, healthy athletes' issues with cardiac arrest and clotting.

No need to ask, assume it is and act accordingly.
 
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You are brain washed. I never the flu vaccine. I haven’t had the flu since grade school and I’m 60 now. Didn’t get the Covid jab. Had Covid once and no symptoms. I think I’m doing alright. Your the ignorant one pal.
You sound like one of those "iT's JuSt A cOlD!" people, but the reality is likely that the longer term effects of the actual virus are appearing to manifest, and it will likely be several more years before the truth is known.
 



Keep posting these. You could go for days posting these stories with famous people/athletes alone. And people will still deny/ignore it.
 
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