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Bronny James had a heart attack at USC yesterday

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I don't "know" that--pretending it can't be an enlarged heart is inaccurate.
Could it be both? Sure but there's other options and you're assuming he was vaccinated. No idea if he was or wasn't.
We all know that he had the vaccine, or else this wouldnt have happened. Bronny James healthy son randomly having a heart attack? I highly doubt it.
 
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Bronny was vaccinated. We already knew this but here you go: Not sure how many young healthy people need to have random heart attacks for you to open your eyes.

 
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To all of you who are sure that this was caused by the vaccine:

- Have you really forgotten that one of the main reasons that doctors recommended canceling sports during the 2020 season (before the vaccine existed) was because of concerns over possible increased cardiac events due to virus-induced heart inflammation?
 
To all of you who are sure that this was caused by the vaccine:

- Have you really forgotten that one of the main reasons that doctors recommended canceling sports during the 2020 season (before the vaccine existed) was because of concerns over possible increased cardiac events due to virus-induced heart inflammation?
It’s possible.

But in 2020 these same people were telling us to use paper masks. In 2022, telling us to get kids, who has zero chance of dying from COVID, vaccinated. They were also bullying anyone who suggested a lab leak theory.

The point is their opinions are meaningless. What is scary is that they are trying to stifle conversations that the vaccines may also cause harm. It is probable that an 80 year old should get vaccinated while an 18 year old should not due to potential side effects (like every other drug in the world has). But, you know, money and power.

Sadly, we don’t know and probably never will. Why? The media, big pharma and the government simply cannot be trusted. The scientific community as well. Remember, these are the same people that made up and completely lied to spike the lab leak theory which is now considered probable
 
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To all of you who are sure that this was caused by the vaccine:

- Have you really forgotten that one of the main reasons that doctors recommended canceling sports during the 2020 season (before the vaccine existed) was because of concerns over possible increased cardiac events due to virus-induced heart inflammation?
The way you can tell that the injections are likely to blame is by listening to those who still defend them.
 
It’s possible.

But in 2020 these same people were telling us to use paper masks. In 2022, telling us to get kids, who has zero chance of dying from COVID, vaccinated. They were also bullying anyone who suggested a lab leak theory.

The point is their opinions are meaningless. What is scary is that they are trying to stifle conversations that the vaccines may also cause harm. It is probable that an 80 year old should get vaccinated while an 18 year old should not due to potential side effects (like every other drug in the world has). But, you know, money and power.

Sadly, we don’t know and probably never will. Why? The media, big pharma and the government simply cannot be trusted. The scientific community as well. Remember, these are the same people that made up and completely lied to spike the lab leak theory which is now considered probable
Oh yes, the “we know Covid is basically harmless to young, healthy people, but because of the risk of Myocarditis we need to cancel outdoor sports and send them inside to play 12 hours of video games a day” stage of the panic.

That wasn’t too long after the “But kids are going to die from Kawasaki Syndrome if we let them outside” stage of the panic.

 
The sad thing as the 2nd usc player to go into cardiac arrest highlights is that it takes a bronny James for this to get reported at a national level. Which begs the question, how many others?

We only hear about pro sports stars and similar celebrities, but what about the full population? And we've learned that the cdc will hide and/or misrepresent data as needed. The UK was far more forthcoming with the data. The cdc is corrupted.
 
To all of you who are sure that this was caused by the vaccine:

- Have you really forgotten that one of the main reasons that doctors recommended canceling sports during the 2020 season (before the vaccine existed) was because of concerns over possible increased cardiac events due to virus-induced heart inflammation?
Nope. I remember it quite well. One PSU doctor panicked and the media pounced. Then PSU admitted he was wrong days later.

 
CDC lost all credibility after they let the head of the teachers union edit their policies. They knew they lost credibility and that is why the head of the CDC resigned.
So to be clear you are objecting only to the decision to shut down schools?

OK, I have no issue with that (or at least keep them shut for the length of time they did)
 
You are brain washed. I never the flu vaccine. I haven’t had the flu since grade school and I’m 60 now. Didn’t get the Covid jab. Had Covid once and no symptoms. I think I’m doing alright. Your the ignorant one pal.
I am definitely not brain washed. I'm a scientist and read all of the underlying papers. I understand the science. I *do* get a flu vaccine every year and have all of my covid boosters. I also have never gotten covid despite multiple close exposures.

The mRNA vaccines are safe and effective. I'd be happy to share all of the peer reviewed papers that show this, if you are actually willing to read them.

No idea if you attended PSU or a are just a fan, but either way I'd hope you embrace knowledge and facts, and if you aren't willing to take the time to understand the science yourself, then trust the people who dedicate their entire lives to this sort of thing.
 
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So to be clear you are objecting only to the decision to shut down schools?

OK, I have no issue with that (or at least keep them shut for the length of time they did)
Good post. But to be clear on my part, the teacher's union had no right to influence the "science" that went into the decision. The science needs to drive the policy, not politics.
 
It’s possible.

But in 2020 these same people were telling us to use paper masks. In 2022, telling us to get kids, who has zero chance of dying from COVID, vaccinated. They were also bullying anyone who suggested a lab leak theory.

The point is their opinions are meaningless. What is scary is that they are trying to stifle conversations that the vaccines may also cause harm. It is probable that an 80 year old should get vaccinated while an 18 year old should not due to potential side effects (like every other drug in the world has). But, you know, money and power.

Sadly, we don’t know and probably never will. Why? The media, big pharma and the government simply cannot be trusted. The scientific community as well. Remember, these are the same people that made up and completely lied to spike the lab leak theory which is now considered probable


Why? It is the question.... Why would established science be discarded? Media, Pharma was in it for the money and it has been clearly established their role very early on....... It destroyed the entire world... all countries.... lockdowns? Masks? Medicine? Global economies crushed. Why? Was it an experient to see what type of control can be exhibited over people? The entire world was taken on a ride. Governments overstepping science, media controlling the information.... So much has come out debunking everything... but why in the first place? It was not an accident....

Why discard the Lab Leak Theory immediately? Why toss out safe medicines to treat basic symptoms? It can not be just Faucci as scientists all over the world were punished for simply asking questions. Experts from all over the world were told to shut up or be fired.... What? If you question it... you were punished.

Coronavirus was not an unknown by any means. Was it released accidentally or intentionally as part of something bigger? The reaction and coordination seems to point to something other than novelty. Why? The strong pushback to established medicine just did not make sense. When the media was trying to say Hydroxychloroquine was dangerous... I knew something was up. It is one of the safest and most widely taken medicines out there... It is harmless and the media was presenting it like poison. It is things like this that make me wonder. The media was preaching the narrative and not even questioning.

On a bigger picture...... Why?
 
Here are a few of your previous statements that you can justify if you like. If you want, I will grab some more.
I stand by all of those statements. Do you want me to bombard you with the scientific literature that proves me correct about vaccines?

Or are you anti-science?

I'd hope as a Penn State grad (or perhaps you are just a fan, but either way, I think you'd embrace Success with Honor) that you'd appreciate the quest for knowledge and respect the scientists who excel in their fields.
 
Good post. But to be clear on my part, the teacher's union had no right to influence the "science" that went into the decision. The science needs to drive the policy, not politics
Please don't conflate science with policy. The union influenced policy (which I agree is bad); the policy should have been based on the science. So I agree with you that is unacceptable.

Had the teacher's union influenced the science, they would have had to, for example, squashed the publication of something in the peer reviewed literature that they didn't like or denied funding to a line of research they thought would hurt their position. They obviously did not do that.

People often confuse policy with science. Policy involves value judgements and qualitative decision making. Science does not.
 
I am definitely not brain washed. I'm a scientist and read all of the underlying papers. I understand the science. I *do* get a flu vaccine every year and have all of my covid boosters. I also have never gotten covid despite multiple close exposures.

The mRNA vaccines are safe and effective. I'd be happy to share all of the peer reviewed papers that show this, if you are actually willing to read them.

No idea if you attended PSU or a are just a fan, but either way I'd hope you embrace knowledge and facts, and if you aren't willing to take the time to understand the science yourself, then trust the people who dedicate their entire lives to this sort of thing.
well, the Cleveland Clinic Study of 50,000 patience stated that the vaccine isn't very effective. Some have stated that you are MORE likely to get COVID but this is not the case. So the "right" overstated what the study pointed out. The study showed that the vaccine wasn't very effective in stopping COVID.

What this means is that each person has a risk profile that is related to age, weight, other immune compromised issues, and many more. The risk profile for a healthy 18 year old is significantly less than a 70 year old over-weight diabetic. These crepes wanted kids to get vaccinated that has zero chance of dying from COVID to make money even though there ARE documented side effects and complications. For the 70 year old, the risk associated with the vaccine is much less than the risk associated with getting COVID. I get that. But that isn't what we were told for over three years. They simply lied to us. Now, they (and we) are suffering the consequences of a science and medical industry that simply lied for years.
 
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Please don't conflate science with policy. The union influenced policy (which I agree is bad); the policy should have been based on the science. So I agree with you that is unacceptable.

Had the teacher's union influenced the science, they would have had to, for example, squashed the publication of something in the peer reviewed literature that they didn't like or denied funding to a line of research they thought would hurt their position. They obviously did not do that.

People often confuse policy with science. Policy involves value judgements and qualitative decision making. Science does not.
Agreed. So why did science allow itself to be compromised by politics? I let you answer that on your own but regardless of the "why", this (and others, as the teachers union is just one example) has caused most people to no longer trust the scientific and/or medical community.
 
Agreed. So why did science allow itself to be compromised by politics? I let you answer that on your own but regardless of the "why", this (and others, as the teachers union is just one example) has caused most people to no longer trust the scientific and/or medical community.
Again, science was not compromised by politics; policy was.

Policy makers use a combination of science (if we do that, this will happen), value judgements (we want X to happen more than we value Y) and other qualitative factors (e.g. political considerations).

So you can argue with the policy decisions that were made (that's fine, again those are based in part on value judgements) but it is incorrect to say that the teacher's union (or anyone else) corrupted the science.
 
Again, science was not compromised by politics; policy was.

Policy makers use a combination of science (if we do that, this will happen), value judgements (we want X to happen more than we value Y) and other qualitative factors (e.g. political considerations).

So you can argue with the policy decisions that were made (that's fine, again those are based in part on value judgements) but it is incorrect to say that the teacher's union (or anyone else) corrupted the science.
OK, I get it. I understand that you are trying to defend science. But the science net worth is only in how it affects humans. If a tree falls in the woods. The scientists allowed themselves to be influenced by politics. Science is not static. new discoveries are made all the time and sometimes "settled science" is proven to be wrong. So a basic tenet of science is to always allow voices of dissent to be heard and then prove or disprove that new theory.

A guy who funneled tax funds to the Wuhan lab paid 22 scientists (and this is important, scientists) to publish an article in the Lancet that there was no way the Wuhan lab could have accounted for COVID 19. There was no study, no imperial evidence. It was that the guy in charge of dooling out funding influenced these "scientists" to the point where they simply lied. (google the vanity fair article on the lancet lab leak study)

So call it science. Call it politics. Call it greed. It doesn't matter. Science failed. Worse, they lied. And that is, at least partially, on them.
 
I am definitely not brain washed. I'm a scientist and read all of the underlying papers. I understand the science. I *do* get a flu vaccine every year and have all of my covid boosters. I also have never gotten covid despite multiple close exposures.

The mRNA vaccines are safe and effective. I'd be happy to share all of the peer reviewed papers that show this, if you are actually willing to read them.

No idea if you attended PSU or a are just a fan, but either way I'd hope you embrace knowledge and facts, and if you aren't willing to take the time to understand the science yourself, then trust the people who dedicate their entire lives to this sort of thing.
Here’s the facts that many of these guys embrace, one of my best friends is a dr at NIH he too went to North Carolina, and was working on the gain of function program when it was there. Once it became known that we were going to need to get vaccines He made sure that he got the Johnson & Johnson one and told everybody that he knew to do the same so what does that say about these vaccines? And once it was found out that he was telling this to people he was immediately pulled from the Covid studies and put onto something else directly by Fauci.
 
Here’s the facts that many of these guys embrace, one of my best friends is a dr at NIH he too went to North Carolina, and was working on the gain of function program when it was there. Once it became known that we were going to need to get vaccines He made sure that he got the Johnson & Johnson one and told everybody that he knew to do the same so what does that say about these vaccines? And once it was found out that he was telling this to people he was immediately pulled from the Covid studies and put onto something else directly by Fauci.
the fact that they attempted to cover things up, or at least stifle dissenting opinions, tells you there was a reason why they tried to cover it up.
 
I stand by all of those statements. Do you want me to bombard you with the scientific literature that proves me correct about vaccines?

Or are you anti-science?

I'd hope as a Penn State grad (or perhaps you are just a fan, but either way, I think you'd embrace Success with Honor) that you'd appreciate the quest for knowledge and respect the scientists who excel in their fields.
Have at it hoss. You aren't the only scientist on the board. You seem to espouse the I am science approach of lying Fauci as opposed to the “The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existence." mindset of Einstein and other true scientists.

Prove each one of your statements if you are so bold.
 
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well, the Cleveland Clinic Study of 50,000 patience stated that the vaccine isn't very effective. Some have stated that you are MORE likely to get COVID but this is not the case. So the "right" overstated what the study pointed out. The study showed that the vaccine wasn't very effective in stopping COVID.

What this means is that each person has a risk profile that is related to age, weight, other immune compromised issues, and many more. The risk profile for a healthy 18 year old is significantly less than a 70 year old over-weight diabetic. These crepes wanted kids to get vaccinated that has zero chance of dying from COVID to make money even though there ARE documented side effects and complications. For the 70 year old, the risk associated with the vaccine is much less than the risk associated with getting COVID. I get that. But that isn't what we were told for over three years. They simply lied to us. Now, they (and we) are suffering the consequences of a science and medical industry that simply lied for years.
Please provide the peer reviewed citation for the assertions that you are making. I am not family with the "Cleveland Clinic Study" What journal was it published in? And "not very effective" is a very qualitative term. What does that mean exactly?

The vaccines are both safe and effective across age groups. The side effects are quite minor (serious side effects are incredibly rare, <1 in a million; for comparison the odds of getting struck by lightning in your lifetime are 1 in 10,000).

Here are citations to back up my statements. Please read them before responding.




 
OK, I get it. I understand that you are trying to defend science. But the science net worth is only in how it affects humans. If a tree falls in the woods. The scientists allowed themselves to be influenced by politics. Science is not static. new discoveries are made all the time and sometimes "settled science" is proven to be wrong. So a basic tenet of science is to always allow voices of dissent to be heard and then prove or disprove that new theory.

A guy who funneled tax funds to the Wuhan lab paid 22 scientists (and this is important, scientists) to publish an article in the Lancet that there was no way the Wuhan lab could have accounted for COVID 19. There was no study, no imperial evidence. It was that the guy in charge of dooling out funding influenced these "scientists" to the point where they simply lied. (google the vanity fair article on the lancet lab leak study)

So call it science. Call it politics. Call it greed. It doesn't matter. Science failed. Worse, they lied. And that is, at least partially, on them.
Perhaps this is semantics, but you still are misstating it. Science did not fail. Science did exactly what it is supposed to do (discover, evolve, challenge, revise).

Science and policy are NOT the same thing. You can have great science (we did) and poor policy (in some cases we did).

As for the Wuhan lab, are you referring to this letter:

First of all, that's a letter to the editor (opinion piece), not a paper. I'm unaware that these scientists were paid to do this, but seems very unlikely. Please provide proof of this if you have it. Second, they only do two things in this letter: 1) say they support their Chinese colleagues and discourage people from being racist (seems fair) and 2) say that the virus had natural origins (note that having natural origins does not preclude a lab leak, it just means it wasn't engineered in the lab). For the record, while I am obviously not certain, I think a lab leak (not purposeful, just out of poor safety protocols) is very possible (if not probable).
 
Here’s the facts that many of these guys embrace, one of my best friends is a dr at NIH he too went to North Carolina, and was working on the gain of function program when it was there. Once it became known that we were going to need to get vaccines He made sure that he got the Johnson & Johnson one and told everybody that he knew to do the same so what does that say about these vaccines? And once it was found out that he was telling this to people he was immediately pulled from the Covid studies and put onto something else directly by Fauci.
I know lots of people that were hesitant about mRNA including people in the field. But the papers I have referenced above clearly show that these concerns were unfounded.
 
Have at it hoss. You aren't the only scientist on the board. You seem to espouse the I am science approach of lying Fauci as opposed to the “The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existence." mindset of Einstein and other true scientists.

Prove each one of your statements if you are so bold.
I don't have time to engage with your nonsense. It is sad to me that you took the time to go through the archives of my posts to find those. I have posted a number of papers above that show that vaccines are both safe and effective. If you have any questions about those papers, I would be happy to answer them.
 
Please provide the peer reviewed citation for the assertions that you are making. I am not family with the "Cleveland Clinic Study" What journal was it published in? And "not very effective" is a very qualitative term. What does that mean exactly?

The vaccines are both safe and effective across age groups. The side effects are quite minor (serious side effects are incredibly rare, <1 in a million; for comparison the odds of getting struck by lightning in your lifetime are 1 in 10,000).

Here are citations to back up my statements. Please read them before responding.




reading that first study, here is where I all BS:

Findings In this systematic review and meta-analysis including 17 studies with 10 935 541 vaccinated and 2 635 251 unvaccinated children aged 5 to 11 years, COVID-19 vaccination was associated with lower risks of SARS-CoV-2 infection, symptomatic COVID-19, hospitalization, and multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children. While vaccination, compared with placebo, was associated with higher incidences of adverse events, the overall frequency of severe adverse events, including myocarditis, was low.​
For people aged 0-18 in ALL OF THE UNITED STATES, only 1,800 died of covid according to the CDC. There are over 73 million people in the USA in that age group. First, we've seen the COVID count be increased because hospitals an Drs. got a bonus payment for COVID patience. But beyond that, I am 100% certain the vast majority of those 1,800 had conditions such as downs, cancer, acute diabeties, or other conditions that eroded their auto immune systems.
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How on God's green earth can a Dr. recommend to get 73,000,000 kids vaccinated 5+ times when their chance of death with COVID was .0024%? To be clear, that is .000024. That is over 365 million shots!
 
Perhaps this is semantics, but you still are misstating it. Science did not fail. Science did exactly what it is supposed to do (discover, evolve, challenge, revise).

Science and policy are NOT the same thing. You can have great science (we did) and poor policy (in some cases we did).

As for the Wuhan lab, are you referring to this letter:

First of all, that's a letter to the editor (opinion piece), not a paper. I'm unaware that these scientists were paid to do this, but seems very unlikely. Please provide proof of this if you have it. Second, they only do two things in this letter: 1) say they support their Chinese colleagues and discourage people from being racist (seems fair) and 2) say that the virus had natural origins (note that having natural origins does not preclude a lab leak, it just means it wasn't engineered in the lab). For the record, while I am obviously not certain, I think a lab leak (not purposeful, just out of poor safety protocols) is very possible (if not probable).
Sorry, science did fail. I guess, if they want to feel good about themselves, they can say it was the politicians. But last I hear, Fauci, Birx and Walensky call themselves scientists. In fact, Fauci said he "was" the science. add to that the Guptas and all of the wannabe drs. on Fox, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, NYT WaPo.......and all of the local channels.

I didn't see you raise you hand back in late 2021 when many of us on this board started to smell a rat.
 
I don't have time to engage with your nonsense. It is sad to me that you took the time to go through the archives of my posts to find those. I have posted a number of papers above that show that vaccines are both safe and effective. If you have any questions about those papers, I would be happy to answer them.
It took 2 minutes to do so.

Your very last post to me said, "I stand by all of those statements. Do you want me to bombard you with the scientific literature that proves me correct about vaccines?" Now, 1 post later and you don't have time to do what you stated? OK, buddy. We know not to take you seriously.
 
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I stand by all of those statements. Do you want me to bombard you with the scientific literature that proves me correct about vaccines?

Or are you anti-science?

I'd hope as a Penn State grad (or perhaps you are just a fan, but either way, I think you'd embrace Success with Honor) that you'd appreciate the quest for knowledge and respect the scientists who excel in their fields.
Show me one study proving vaccinated kids do better than non vaccinated kids? There isn't one! Why? Because the manufacturers can't be sued and nobody will allow that study to be done. The insane childhood vaccine schedule has successfully destroyed the immune systems of anyone not a baby boomer or older.

The so called bivalent vaccine was approved after only having been studied on 8 mice.

You're the one who is anti science. There are so many moral hazards throughout the system, including the media, that the scientific process no longer exists.

The Lancet published a study trashing HDQ that turned out to be completely falsified.

The lead author on a meta analysis that showed incredible results using Ivermectin, wrote a very luke warm conclusion, shocking the other contributors. Later we learned that his institution got a $40 million grant from sources that included the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

Ivermectin and HDQ have been used billions of time and are incredibly safe. Both are on the WHO's top ten list of essential medicines. Ivermectin won a Nobel Prize. Even if their benefit in treating COVID was marginal, why were they attacked? Why were doctors being fired for using them? Why were those, who spoke in favor of those drugs, censored, including the POTUS?

Here's the answer:

In order to get Emergency Use Authorization, there can be no viable alternative therapies.

The NIH owns 50% of the Moderna patent.

Follow the money!

But also understand that as many as 80% of the deaths in 2020, before the vaccines, could have been avoided if these two drugs, plus a few other things, had been widely employed. The CDC offered no guidance at all. We're talking about as many deaths as occurred in the entire Civil War. Hundreds of thousands were murdered so these "vaccines" could get their EUA! And Bill Gates smiled all the way to the bank.

We no longer live in a free market economy, or a free society. What we have now is fascism, lovingly termed a public private partnership.
 
I know lots of people that were hesitant about mRNA including people in the field. But the papers I have referenced above clearly show that these concerns were unfounded.
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Pfizer knew these things were deadly, as did the FDA.

As a scientist, didn't you ever wonder why the FDA wanted to keep these documents hidden for 75 years?

As a scientist, to what do you attribute the dramatic increase of both deaths and disabilities in 2021 and 2022, as outlined in Ed Dowd's book?

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To all of you who are sure that this was caused by the vaccine:

- Have you really forgotten that one of the main reasons that doctors recommended canceling sports during the 2020 season (before the vaccine existed) was because of concerns over possible increased cardiac events due to virus-induced heart inflammation?
So you believe everything our crooked government tells you huh?
Stop being a sheep
I am definitely not brain washed. I'm a scientist and read all of the underlying papers. I understand the science. I *do* get a flu vaccine every year and have all of my covid boosters. I also have never gotten covid despite multiple close exposures.

The mRNA vaccines are safe and effective. I'd be happy to share all of the peer reviewed papers that show this, if you are actually willing to read them.

No idea if you attended PSU or a are just a fan, but either way I'd hope you embrace knowledge and facts, and if you aren't willing to take the time to understand the science yourself, then trust the people who dedicate their entire lives to this sort of thing.
no thanks. I’ve had enough proof in person. Friends and their relatives experience cardiac arrest, Bell’s palsy, paralysis, and strokes days after your great MRNA trust the science shit.
 
I think both sides are too certain they're correct. We honestly don't know.
These douches love a good conspiracy every time someone dies or has a cardiac issue. One guy posted a list once on test board. The first name that I looked up retired during a tennis match. They all blamed the shot. When I looked his name up closer he had foot blisters lol. They pretend they know how the vaccine works by pulling up antivax propaganda. It’s comical
 
This could be just me, a father of 21, 20, and 16 year old sons. Maybe let’s see what caused this before we bicker like bitches about the maybe. I don’t know, may be too grown up to try.
 
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