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[mcpat]

InterMat Rewind: Major Changes

Climb into the Wayback Machine and take a trip back in time… back to a college wrestling event in the 1920s or 30s. The sport you know and love will have some new wrinkles in its old-school form. Sitting in the stands, you'd probably find yourself blurting out immediate reactions such as, "Why ...

intermatwrestle.com

College wrestling bouts for the 1966-67 season dropped from nine to eight minutes.
Today's seven-minute matches debuted in 1982'.
In 1911, collegiate wrestling rules allowed the referee to determine a win in the absence of a fall after 15 minutes.

Bunch of wussies today

 

[El-Jefe]

InterMat Rewind: Major Changes

Climb into the Wayback Machine and take a trip back in time… back to a college wrestling event in the 1920s or 30s. The sport you know and love will have some new wrinkles in its old-school form. Sitting in the stands, you'd probably find yourself blurting out immediate reactions such as, "Why ...

intermatwrestle.com

College wrestling bouts for the 1966-67 season dropped from nine to eight minutes.
Today's seven-minute matches debuted in 1982'.
In 1911, collegiate wrestling rules allowed the referee to determine a win in the absence of a fall after 15 minutes.

The rules had to change. No ref could last thru 15 minutes of Lewan.

 

[Sullivan]

Look at this amazing list I pulled from Penn State Wrestling Club:

Career Win % Leaders

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#	Name	Seasons	Record	Career Win %
1​	Josh Barr​	2024-2025​	25-0-0​	100.0%​
2​	Ed Ruth​	2011-2014​	136-3-0​	97.8%​
3​	David Taylor​	2011-2014​	134-3-0​	97.8%​
4​	Zain Retherford​	2014-2018​	126-3-0​	97.7%​
5​	Bo Nickal​	2016-2019​	120-3-0​	97.6%​
6​	Jason Nolf​	2016-2019​	117-3-0​	97.5%​
6​	Mitchell Mesenbrink​	2024-2025​	39-1-0​	97.5%​
8​	Aaron Brooks​	2020-2024​	89-3-0​	96.7%​
9​	Andy Matter​	1970-1972​	58-2-0​	96.7%​
10​	Carter Starocci​	2021-2025​	90-4-0​	95.7%​
11​	Levi Haines​	2023-2025​	61-3-0​	95.3%​
12​	Mark Hall​	2017-2020​	116-6-0​	95.1%​
13​	Anthony Cassar​	2018-2020​	49-3-0​	94.2%​
14​	Dick Lemyre​	1952-1954​	40-3-0​	93.0%​
15​	Jack Light​	1935-1937​	25-1-1​	92.6%​
16​	Jim Martin​	1986-1989​	155-9-4​	92.3%​
17​	John Johnston​	1956-1958​	43-4-0​	91.5%​
18​	Roman Bravo-Young​	2019-2023​	101-10-0​	91.0%​
19​	Andrew Long​	2011-2011​	20-2-0​	90.9%​
19​	Cary Kolat​	1993-1994​	60-6-0​	90.9%​
21​	Vincenzo Joseph​	2017-2020​	89-9-0​	90.8%​
22​	JaMarr Billman​	1998-1999​	56-6-0​	90.3%​
23​	Nick Lee​	2018-2021​	119-13-0​	90.2%​
24​	Jim Maurey​	1948-1950​	18-2-0​	90.0%​
24​	F.W. Kaiser​	1925-1927​	18-2-0​	90.0%​

Any idea of what the record is at Penn State for the most wins without a loss, to start a career?

 

[Cowbell Man]

Any idea of what the record is at Penn State for the most wins without a loss, to start a career

38? David Taylor RS Freshman campaign?

 

[El-Jefe]

38? David Taylor RS Freshman campaign?

Has to be. Only other freshmen to go undefeated in the regular season were Zain and Jason.

 

[Cowbell Man]

Has to be. Only other freshmen to go undefeated in the regular season were Zain and Jason.

That’s a year and a half of wrestling now.

 

[El-Jefe]

That’s a year and a half of wrestling now.

Does that mean Rutgers guys now aren't elite until they qualify for a 3rd B10 Tournament?

 

[jtothemfp]

Back in the day:

Bouts are 10 minutes in length, with 2 three-minute extra (overtime) periods if no winner is determined in regulation. Both extra periods shall start in the “referee’s position”.

If a takedown occurs in the first 2 minutes of the bout, it shall become a continuous 10-minute bout.

If no takedown or fall occurs in the first 2 minutes, the remaining 8 minutes are divided into two 4-minute periods, with each wrestler starting on top in one period.

If a wrestler scores a fall in the first 4-minute period, this terminates only the first 4-minute period. The other wrestler has the opportunity to score a fall in a faster time in the second 4-minute period.

Consolation bouts consist of three 2-minute periods. A referee can call for extra periods if he is unable to declare a winner in regulation.

Any part of both shoulders held in contact with the mat for an appreciable length of time (i.e., 3 seconds) constitutes a fall.

If no fall has resulted after the end of the regular period of wrestling, the referee shall award the bout to the wrestler who shows greater wrestling ability and aggressiveness, provided the wrestler has a riding time-advantage of at least one-minute.

The one-minute riding time advantage is not necessary to declare a winner in extra periods or consolation bouts.

Good stuff; I see you pulled that from https://www.wrestlingstats.com/ncaa/pdf/NCAA Bout Scoring.pdf, which is an awesome resource & one I used a ton in the mid aught-teens as I was learning more & more about the scoring.

To the earlier point about "presentism" and the difficulty comparing results from different eras, frequent rules changes also made things difficult. It was frustrating enough that I was inspired to transcribe the content of that Jay Hammond .pdf into this Gsheet, for more handy referencing:

I hope it might help someone else!

 

[wrestleknownothing]

Good stuff; I see you pulled that from https://www.wrestlingstats.com/ncaa/pdf/NCAA Bout Scoring.pdf, which is an awesome resource & one I used a ton in the mid aught-teens as I was learning more & more about the scoring.

To the earlier point about "presentism" and the difficulty comparing results from different eras, frequent rules changes also made things difficult. It was frustrating enough that I was inspired to transcribe the content of that Jay Hammond .pdf into this Gsheet, for more handy referencing:

I hope it might help someone else!

That is great. Thanks.

I used Jay Hommond's original doc and I have added to it to fill in some blanks and to extend it to present. What a great resource.

The other thing I have found useful is the NWHOF has almost all of the annual collegiate wrestling guides from 1928 to 1982 posted on their website. Those contain the rulebooks as well as write ups of the NCAA tournament and conference tournaments. Some entertaining stuff.

National Wrestling Hall of Fame

The National Wrestling Hall Of Fame

nwhof.org

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

I'm curious, what is the Bonus Match Termination shown in use from 1995-1997? Also, the TF w/out back points shows as only one point in the 2001 to present category. Is this an older chart made before the rule change eliminating the back points requirement during a TF victory? TIA!

 

[wrestleknownothing]

I'm curious, what is the Bonus Match Termination shown in use from 1995-1997? Also, the TF w/out back points shows as only one point in the 2001 to present category. Is this an older chart made before the rule change eliminating the back points requirement during a TF victory? TIA!

In 1995 they eliminated the tech fall and replaced it with match termination (leading by 15) worth 1 point in a tournament (TF was previously 0.75 points).

Then in 1997 they restored the TF, made it worth 1.5, but required back points. Leading by 15 without back points was the new MT, and it was worth 1 point.

Then in 2016 they made all TF worth 1.5.

The link @jtothemfp posted above has all that detail and then some.

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

In 1995 they eliminated the tech fall and replaced it with match termination (leading by 15) worth 1 point in a tournament (TF was previously 0.75 points).

Then in 1997 they restored the TF, made it worth 1.5, but required back points. Leading by 15 without back points was the new MT, and it was worth 1 point.

Then in 2016 they made all TF worth 1.5.

The link @jtothemfp posted above has all that detail and then some.

Much appreciated.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

Any idea of what the record is at Penn State for the most wins without a loss, to start a career?

Barr ;-) what too soon?

 

[Ian]

Great list! 11 of the top 12, and 15 of the top 24 coached by Cael. Pretty good for a guy that supposedly can't coach!

Still pissed off that Vincenzo and Hall missed out on their final championship run in 2020… A Brooks, too, for that matter.

 

[mcpat]

Still pissed off that Vincenzo and Hall missed out on their final championship run in 2020… A Brooks, too, for that matter.

I still think we win it that year despite the 4th place showing at B1Gs. Championships from NLee, Hall, Cenzo and Brooks. Top three from RBY. AA from Shakur. Just one stumble from Iowa and those finishes take it.

 

[Nitlion1986]

I still think we win it that year despite the 4th place showing at B1Gs. Championships from NLee, Hall, Cenzo and Brooks. Top three from RBY. AA from Shakur. Just one stumble from Iowa and those finishes take it.

Of course we win it that year, but you know there are programs out there that outperform everybody else every year. So, the Hawks certainly would have had 4 or 5 champs, a couple more runner-ups and probably at least 12 maybe 13 All-Americans.

 

[Sleepylion]

I still think we win it that year despite the 4th place showing at B1Gs. Championships from NLee, Hall, Cenzo and Brooks. Top three from RBY. AA from Shakur. Just one stumble from Iowa and those finishes take it.

And that hardly ever happens.

 

[jtothemfp]

That is great. Thanks.

I used Jay Hommond's original doc and I have added to it to fill in some blanks and to extend it to present. What a great resource.

The other thing I have found useful is the NWHOF has almost all of the annual collegiate wrestling guides from 1928 to 1982 posted on their website. Those contain the rulebooks as well as write ups of the NCAA tournament and conference tournaments. Some entertaining stuff.

National Wrestling Hall of Fame

The National Wrestling Hall Of Fame

nwhof.org

Excellent resource I'd never used before; thank you!

 

[Ian]

I still think we win it that year despite the 4th place showing at B1Gs. Championships from NLee, Hall, Cenzo and Brooks. Top three from RBY. AA from Shakur. Just one stumble from Iowa and those finishes take it.

But it would have impacted several years after. For instance, Brooks would have not competed in 2024. RBY would have been gone after 2022.

 

[District four]

And that hardly ever happens.

Who

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

I am so glad the extra COVID year group will be gone after this season.

COVID-19 led to extra college eligibility. Those 5th-year players are set for their last runs

Fifth-year players start this year in the spotlight, headlined by RJ Davis with the ninth-ranked Tar Heels.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[Nitlion1986]

But it would have impacted several years after. For instance, Brooks would have not competed in 2024. RBY would have been gone after 2022.

No. The guys impacted in 2020 didn't get a year. The guys who were in danger of being impacted got the year.