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Carter Starocci's injury - news, updates, and speculations

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Yeah at this point I think the best we hope for is not hearing it is season ending. I am still guessing it’s a ligament. LCL or ACL and less likely meniscus. I still feel it is likely he MFF out at BIG10s. Takes the losses there. Drops a couple spots in seeding and the wrestles with a massive brace at nationals. Hoping for the best. For him more than us. Kid has a shot to join very select company and would hate to see this derail that.
 
Yeah at this point I think the best we hope for is not hearing it is season ending. I am still guessing it’s a ligament. LCL or ACL and less likely meniscus. I still feel it is likely he MFF out at BIG10s. Takes the losses there. Drops a couple spots in seeding and the wrestles with a massive brace at nationals. Hoping for the best. For him more than us. Kid has a shot to join very select company and would hate to see this derail that.
Carter is excellent at riding. Im guessing he goes a similar route as Nolf did and ride everyone as much as possible. I do worry about the refs. As a group they have had some odd and bad calls of stalling on top wrestlers this year.
 
Carter is excellent at riding. Im guessing he goes a similar route as Nolf did and ride everyone as much as possible. I do worry about the refs. As a group they have had some odd and bad calls of stalling on top wrestlers this year.
The definition of stalling was changed, wasn’t it? Breaking bottom man down is no longer enough.
 
I dislocated my knee cap playing basketball. It slid back in and I was able to walk immediately with discomfort. I am by no means a tough guy either.
There is a big difference between dislocating a knee cap and dislocating a knee. I remember some time back when Navy had a really good running back, Napoleon McCallum, who was drafted in the NFL. He suffered from a true knee dislocation in a game and his career was over. (It still makes me cringe thinking about it.) Carter's injury wasn't even close to what happened to McCallum.
 
There is a big difference between dislocating a knee cap and dislocating a knee. I remember some time back when Navy had a really good running back, Napoleon McCallum, who was drafted in the NFL. He suffered from a true knee dislocation in a game and his career was over. (It still makes me cringe thinking about it.) Carter's injury wasn't even close to what happened to McCallum.
McCallum's injury was so severe that it was life threatening. I believe he suffered arterial damage and if not addressed very timely, he would have bled out.
 
There is a big difference between dislocating a knee cap and dislocating a knee. I remember some time back when Navy had a really good running back, Napoleon McCallum, who was drafted in the NFL. He suffered from a true knee dislocation in a game and his career was over. (It still makes me cringe thinking about it.) Carter's injury wasn't even close to what happened to McCallum.
Dislocated knee, and found out later torn ACL and MCL. Long recovery time but was still able to walk off at the injury. Ended my non-existent playing career.
 
A dislocated knee is a catastrophic injury requiring immediate arteriogram and other emergent treatment. I have treated a few, and saw the follow up of an all army track athlete who lost his leg following a poorly diagnosed knee dislocation. A knee cap dislocation (patella) is a much less severe injury, that can rehab in as little as a few weeks depending on the patient. I think that injury is not likely in the scenario I saw.
Most likely for this, based on the two different angles I saw , is LCL injury and/or meniscus injury.
Sometimes the ligamentous injury is not too serious even though it is immediately very painful, and can have a short recovery. Even with a complete tear of the LCL, with the proper bracing and rehab, I would expect Carter to get through the tournament in similar fashion to Jason Nolf, if there are no untoward complications.
With a small meniscal tear there could be the same result, although in that case there can be more episodes of knee giving way due to the meniscus catching in the joint intermittently, which is a little less predictable than the course following a LCL injury.
 
Not sure why everyone thinks this, but MRI results, if even mildly rushed, can be had in an hour or two. They may have had the answer last evening. My wife went to an 11am family doctor visit for a hip problem, and by 4pm had had an MRI with contrast AND the results.
ABSOLUTELY!! i wouldn't be totally surprised if the MRI was performed Sunday evening and at least a preliminary interpretation by tele-radiology. I was responsible for several outpatient imaging services that included MRI and we developed high-throughput protocols to reduce backlogs for the most time-sensitive and high-volume exams. Although, each imaging facility has its own referral patterns, the neuro-surgical and orthopedics referrals often had specific appointments reserved in advance just for those specialties.
 
A dislocated knee is a catastrophic injury requiring immediate arteriogram and other emergent treatment. I have treated a few, and saw the follow up of an all army track athlete who lost his leg following a poorly diagnosed knee dislocation. A knee cap dislocation (patella) is a much less severe injury, that can rehab in as little as a few weeks depending on the patient. I think that injury is not likely in the scenario I saw.
Most likely for this, based on the two different angles I saw , is LCL injury and/or meniscus injury.
Sometimes the ligamentous injury is not too serious even though it is immediately very painful, and can have a short recovery. Even with a complete tear of the LCL, with the proper bracing and rehab, I would expect Carter to get through the tournament in similar fashion to Jason Nolf, if there are no untoward complications.
With a small meniscal tear there could be the same result, although in that case there can be more episodes of knee giving way due to the meniscus catching in the joint intermittently, which is a little less predictable than the course following a LCL injury.
Thanks for that input. I’m not a doctor, but once I had knee issues in college, I was naturally curious and got a lot more knowledgeable about the joint. I was thinking LCL myself due to how the knee was stressed.

Unfortunately, as I’ve aged, I’m also becoming more knowledgeable about the shoulder joint due to some trauma to that body part.
 
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Dislocated knee, and found out later torn ACL and MCL. Long recovery time but was still able to walk off at the injury. Ended my non-existent playing career.
Sorry, my response came across like I was just discounting your experience. Any athletic injury is not fun for the athlete who is injured. Been there, done that. I sure hope Carter goes through a fast recovery.
 
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None of us knows for sure what the injury is. If it’s a situation where he can’t hurt himself more by competing and can stand the pain. He’ll be there. My oldest son played a full football and basketball season with an undiagnosed giant cell tumor on his left ankle and excelled. Evidently he had an extremely high pain threshold athletes are crazy
 
Thanks for that input. I’m not a doctor, but once I had knee issues in college, I was naturally curious and got a lot more knowledgeable about the joint. I was thinking LCL myself due to how the knee was stressed.

Unfortunately, as I’ve aged, I’m also becoming more knowledgeable about the shoulder joint due to some trauma to that body part.
I know all about shoulder joint from trauma. It's 15 months since I got drilled by a pick up truck. My collar bone has not healed. It's in 4 pieces. Trauma orthopedic isn't a big fan of bone graft using a piece of my hip. They have me doing rehab. Range of motion is decent. I now know what constant pain is. 😕
 
Obviously none of us know what the injury is, we're all hoping for the best and I'd assume that most of us are still fairly confident that Carter finds a way to win #4 in this year's tournament. This may not be relevant at all, but some of you will remember a PSU wrestler named Dirk Cowburn, who won several PA state titles for Coudersport. I believe he injured his meniscus a few weeks before the state tournament and if I'm not mistaken, he had surgery only a couple of weeks before his senior state tournament where he won a state title on a recently repaired meniscus. Again, not necessarily terribly relevant, but, just another example of a wrestler achieving greatness with a recent and somewhat serious knee injury.
 
Wish my daughter was still out school there. She would jog pass rec and would constantly see the wrestlers and coaches. She is avid wrestling fan and would have conversations with some of them. I'm certain they wouldn't say much. However if he was ok , I think they might validate that with a positive comment.
 
Sorry, my response came across like I was just discounting your experience. Any athletic injury is not fun for the athlete who is injured. Been there, done that. I sure hope Carter goes through a fast recovery.
Same. My point is you can’t solely judge an injury by what you see. We can only speculate until some information is given.
 
After the whole Nick Suriano he’s down in the room right now. Cael could say he is fine and that would mean nothing. Just have to wait until big tens to see what happens.
 
After the whole Nick Suriano he’s down in the room right now. Cael could say he is fine and that would mean nothing. Just have to wait until big tens to see what happens.
I don't believe conference will give us any indication either. He is going to walk out and forfeit twice. We probably won't know what the problem is officially until after Nationals.
 
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Does Big Ten allow last minute substitutions? I assume coaches submit starters for the preseeds, so first check point is if Carter is submitted, which I totally expect. Second is, if allowed, final seeds still have him as wrestler. Next is when he steps out, does he wrestle or Inj FFT, or wrestle first then Inj FFT second (again, I doubt this because it only affects seed marginally). If he makes all these check points does he wrestle or pull out last minute like Suriano?

Please correct any wrong assumptions.

Praying he is well enough to win it all with no inj fft’s!
 
A dislocated knee is a catastrophic injury requiring immediate arteriogram and other emergent treatment. I have treated a few, and saw the follow up of an all army track athlete who lost his leg following a poorly diagnosed knee dislocation. A knee cap dislocation (patella) is a much less severe injury, that can rehab in as little as a few weeks depending on the patient. I think that injury is not likely in the scenario I saw.
Most likely for this, based on the two different angles I saw , is LCL injury and/or meniscus injury.
Sometimes the ligamentous injury is not too serious even though it is immediately very painful, and can have a short recovery. Even with a complete tear of the LCL, with the proper bracing and rehab, I would expect Carter to get through the tournament in similar fashion to Jason Nolf, if there are no untoward complications.
With a small meniscal tear there could be the same result, although in that case there can be more episodes of knee giving way due to the meniscus catching in the joint intermittently, which is a little less predictable than the course following a LCL injury.
Thanks Doc! Always remember sitting with you in Piscataway just before the big COVID shutdown. Hope that all is well in your travels.
 
Obviously none of us know what the injury is, we're all hoping for the best and I'd assume that most of us are still fairly confident that Carter finds a way to win #4 in this year's tournament. This may not be relevant at all, but some of you will remember a PSU wrestler named Dirk Cowburn, who won several PA state titles for Coudersport. I believe he injured his meniscus a few weeks before the state tournament and if I'm not mistaken, he had surgery only a couple of weeks before his senior state tournament where he won a state title on a recently repaired meniscus. Again, not necessarily terribly relevant, but, just another example of a wrestler achieving greatness with a recent and somewhat serious knee injury.
I wrestled with his Dad Dan for a year. Dirk beat my son's best friend and workout partner in the finals. Dirk had a battle with a real good wrestler from Benton but could have the wrong school. I believe that kid was diagnosed with Hodgekins soon after.
 
I wrestled with his Dad Dan for a year. Dirk beat my son's best friend and workout partner in the finals. Dirk had a battle with a real good wrestler from Benton but could have the wrong school. I believe that kid was diagnosed with Hodgekins soon after.

He wrestled the Altons in high school and I'm pretty sure he also wrestled the kid from the wrestling family that went to Harvard (can't remember the guy's name, but someone on the board will remember).

Edit because I remembered, Peppleman was the Harvard guy and I'm sure Dirk had some battles with him in high school.
 
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I've seen less speculation in my options portfolio.
 
He wrestled the Altons in high school and I'm pretty sure he also wrestled the kid from the wrestling family that went to Harvard (can't remember the guy's name, but someone on the board will remember).

Edit because I remembered, Peppleman was the Harvard guy and I'm sure Dirk had some battles with him in high school.
Eric Hess of Benton beat Dirk 1-0 his senior year.
 
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