CFB 50-50 to happen at all according to report

[bdgan]

I agree. I’m a 25 year season ticket holder and huge football fan. I look forward to being able to watch football on TV this season. But I don’t think cramming 109,000 into Beaver Stadium is a smart decision. It’s football. I don’t think it’s worth the risk of your or your parents’ lives. Are you going to enjoy the games knowing you might become a carrier? How many people will you be in contact with during the 14 days after attending a game? And how many will those people contact? If they play, they should do so with a very limited attendance, and I suspect they will because of the money, not because of the safety and welfare of the students and fans. I can’t imagine that social distancing and masks will be practical or fun. Hand sanitizer stations are not enough. Let’s worry about opening the classrooms before we open the stadiums.

I appreciate your point of view but I think it's unfair to accuse them of not caring about the safety and welfare of students and fans. It's a balancing act. People are losing their jobs and livelihood. The rest of us are losing our mental health due to the lack of recreational opportunities. It was one thing to ask people to quarintine for a couple of weeks. It's another thing to expect them to do it indefinitely.

 

[PearlSUJam]

 

[bdgan]

If they get their rocks off by spending time on suits that have no pay-off, I can't think of a better reason not to pass legislation.

Personal injury attorneys are already advertising in search of covid victims.

https://www.myinjuryattorney.com/covid-19-coronavirus-lawsuit-lawyer/

 

[Nitwit]

So cut the number down to 50,000. Ease back into it. Why is it not okay to risk our parents lives but it’s okay to risk others lives through financial ruin? A ton of people rely on college football for more than just a diversion. There are a lot of livelihoods riding on it.

So what’s the equation? $50,000 per parent, $25,000 if they’re over 70? $100,000 for your 50 year old sister? Look I’m being facetious but life isn’t going to return to normal for a long time, maybe years. These people and businesses need to adjust their lives somehow.

Until either the virus mutates and disappears or a vaccine is found and administered we are all living in a new normal. Many people, and I don’t know if it’s 30% or 10% of the population are not going to resume their pre Covid-19 lives.

Not taking cruises, working from home instead of offices, not flying commercial airlines, not buying luxury goods that no one will ever see, taking classes remotely, putting fewer miles on your cars, buying new cars and gas less often, are just some of the issues which will be pervasive through out the economy.

Lives will be lost and jobs will be lost. That’s just the way it is now. We will need to adjust to help those who have lost either.

Professional and college sports is just one small part of the opening up. Compared to the restaurant, travel, auto, retail industries, and educational institutions, it has relatively minor impact, although the psychological impact on the American psyche is huge.

 

[Art]

Personal injury attorneys are already advertising in search of covid victims.

https://www.myinjuryattorney.com/covid-19-coronavirus-lawsuit-lawyer/

The nursing home section makes sense. Beyond that, none of other the areas they list deals with clients looking for a payday because they contracted the virus elsewhere. The legislation being discussed here is specific to that.

 

[katchthis]

Personal injury attorneys are already advertising in search of covid victims.

https://www.myinjuryattorney.com/covid-19-coronavirus-lawsuit-lawyer/

 

[Safety Blitz]

I think a half full stadium is enough space and that would be 50,000 at PSU....it would be 50 at Pitt.

Think, for a moment, how tightly packed the stadium is at capacity. 50% would not create much spacing. I’m thinking 25-30% will be the max if they admit fans at all.

 

[MtNittany]

No offense taken, but liability issues will be the major factor in how this all plays out.

No. Substitute "election" for "liability issues" and you have a winner though.

 

[AWS1022]

Lives will be lost and jobs will be lost. That’s just the way it is now. We will need to adjust to help those who have lost either.

Right, so why not just open up? The only way we won’t go back to pre Covid is if the politicians don’t allow it. And it’s hard to adjust your business if no one is allowed to come to it.

 

[AWS1022]

Think, for a moment, how tightly packed the stadium is at capacity. 50% would not create much spacing. I’m thinking 25-30% will be the max if they admit fans at all.

Well, they’re going to have to accept they’re not going to be able to get six feet between each fan.

 

[AWS1022]

Unnecessary and potentially counter-productive.

Not if you’re a business owner.

 

[Nitwit]

Right, so why not just open up? The only way we won’t go back to pre Covid is if the politicians don’t allow it. And it’s hard to adjust your business if no one is allowed to come to it.

Amazon and Grubhub seem to make adjustments to fit the economy. Grocery delivery services and personal shoppers are busy new segments of the economy. Internet shopping and website management are exploding as our way of life changes. Maybe out of work restauranteurs can open up cleaning services. Manufacturing jobs can be created to produce new things in demand now like cleansing solutions, toilet paper, make at home meals, etc. Smart people need to be creative, nimble and flexible to find a new path. Don’t wait for the shoe companies in New England to reopen - it will never happen. The economy is in transition and opening up won’t change that.

 

[Art]

Not if you’re a business owner.

An employee, customer, supplier, et al sues and has to prove that that you did not follow precautions prescribed by the appropriate authorities. If defendant has taken all reasonable to prevent spread in his place of business, judge should direct a verdict in his favor. If not, plaintiff has to prove that he/she contracted the virus at defendants place of business. .Short of the plaintiff traveling in a bubble, proving that the plaintiff never exited the bubble prior to arriving at the business, and proving that the plaintiff never had the virus prior to entering the bubble, the plaintiff's attorney will have a difficult road to hoe.

 

[scottpsurules]

the dreaded 2nd wave

Two more weeks....

 

[AWS1022]

An employee, customer, supplier, et al sues and has to prove that that you did not follow precautions prescribed by the appropriate authorities. If defendant has taken all reasonable to prevent spread in his place of business, judge should direct a verdict in his favor. If not, plaintiff has to prove that he/she contracted the virus at defendants place of business. .Short of the plaintiff traveling in a bubble, proving that the plaintiff never exited the bubble prior to arriving at the business, and proving that the plaintiff never had the virus prior to entering the bubble, the plaintiff's attorney will have a difficult road to hoe.

You don’t work in insurance, do you? You paint a very rosy picture of the judicial system, unfortunately it doesn’t work like that. When the big, bad corporation and their big, bad insurance company get into court against the poor, innocent person....guess who wins a lot of the time even without a legit case?

 

[BobPSU92]

stop rushing to find a vaccine for COVID-19 and produce one that fixes stupid.

You’re asking for the impossible.

 

[bison13]

Not really. Most people are grossly misinformed.

Agree in that the number of cases being stated on the news each night is a farce. Pick any states covid-19 site and document all the data it then wait a week and go back and check the data for those days again. What you see is that they may have a big spike for a couple days and then once they go back and actually reassign the cases to the date they actually happened you'll see that it wasn't really a spike at all. Not saying that's every state but 2 days ago they claimed that 14 States had an increase and yet today when you go back and see the reassigned data it's down to six.

 

[BobPSU92]

 

[Art]

You don’t work in insurance, do you? You paint a very rosy picture of the judicial system, unfortunately it doesn’t work like that. When the big, bad corporation and their big, bad insurance company get into court against the poor, innocent person....guess who wins a lot of the time even without a legit case?

I've seen the quality of defense attorneys insurance companies hire, so maybe your policyholders do have something to worry about.
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[fairgambit]

An employee, customer, supplier, et al sues and has to prove that that you did not follow precautions prescribed by the appropriate authorities. If defendant has taken all reasonable to prevent spread in his place of business, judge should direct a verdict in his favor. If not, plaintiff has to prove that he/she contracted the virus at defendants place of business. .Short of the plaintiff traveling in a bubble, proving that the plaintiff never exited the bubble prior to arriving at the business, and proving that the plaintiff never had the virus prior to entering the bubble, the plaintiff's attorney will have a difficult road to hoe.

The defense of a lawsuit can bankrupt a small business. Many have no insurance to cover this type of liability. That aside, it has been my experience that plaintiff's attorneys are generally superior to their defense counterparts.

 

[AWS1022]

I've seen the quality of defense attorneys insurance companies hire, so maybe your policyholders do have something to worry about.
.

In many of the corrupt courthouses and corrupt judges, F Lee Bailey couldn’t win on behalf of the insurance company.

 

[BiochemPSU]

The volume and nature of COVID suits will be overwhelming. Judges will bend over backward to keep plaintiff suits against employers, insurers, doctors, hospitals, and businesses alive. Already seeing an uptick in more ridiculous suits like ADA website compliance claims in order for some of these firms to make up for the shortfall in other traditional BI or labor areas. No one can live off of that type of suit for long though. So, it won't take long for some judge in each state to decide to let his or her plaintiff buddies go to town on the golden COVID goose and then off we go. Insurance industry and self insureds will take it on the nose and over the long run, policy holders and tax payers will end up paying for it. But that's America and the civil justice system.

As to college football, if I had a kid in that situation, I would advise him to not take on additional risk of catching this thing for the amusement of the general population and all of the paychecks that he generates for everyone but himself. Get your education, if you are good enough to play in the league, they will find you. Otherwise, your degree is what matters.

 

[step.eng69]

Really?? Or are you really not paying attention or just plain ignorant.

I love your subtle UNC...

 

[bdgan]

Think, for a moment, how tightly packed the stadium is at capacity. 50% would not create much spacing. I’m thinking 25-30% will be the max if they admit fans at all.

I'd say students only for the OOC games. Spread them out in the stadium. That should be plenty safe.

That gives 3 more weeks to evaluate before deciding about conference games.

 

[bdgan]

if I had a kid in that situation, I would advise him to not take on additional risk of catching this thing for the amusement of the general population and all of the paychecks that he generates for everyone but himself. Get your education, if you are good enough to play in the league, they will find you. Otherwise, your degree is what matters.

The mortality rate for people under 25 is approximately 1 out of 1,000,000.

 

[Art]

The defense of a lawsuit can bankrupt a small business. Many have no insurance to cover this type of liability. That aside, it has been my experience that plaintiff's attorneys are generally superior to their defense counterparts.

Well, then I guess my son is going to develop a nice side gig as an expert witness for the defense.

 

[step.eng69]

Deny admittance to high-risk groups, and people who look like them.

I'm them @ 3am in the morning...wanna dance sweet pea?

 

[LMTLION]

So cut the number down to 50,000. Ease back into it. Why is it not okay to risk our parents lives but it’s okay to risk others lives through financial ruin? A ton of people rely on college football for more than just a diversion. There are a lot of livelihoods riding on it.

Unfortunately 50k is the same as 100k.... there is no social distancing. Either we go all in or not at all. This may all be a moot point as a second phase is inevitable and we will shut it all down again.

 

[psugisher]

So what's the point where the cure is worse than the virus? The approach we're taking is getting dangerously close. Time was bought to set up hospitals and slow the spread. Right now there's zero plan/criteria to return to a normal life. It feels like the consequences of not returning to normal are not being paid attention to. One track mind.. distracted from EVERY other problem except racism.. which ironically has brought large groups together that were preaching stay at home a couple weeks ago. Kids need to be back in school this fall and we need to be approaching something resembling normal by the fall or be prepared for consequences in so many other areas of life.

 

[bdgan]

Unfortunately 50k is the same as 100k.... there is no social distancing. Either we go all in or not at all. This may all be a moot point as a second phase is inevitable and we will shut it all down again.

It would have to be really bad for the government to start shutting things down again. You can only keep people shut in for so long until they start losing their minds. But if there's one thing you could get away with shutting things down it's stadiums and arenas.

 

[BiochemPSU]

The mortality rate for people under 25 is approximately 1 out of 1,000,000.

Hey son, some guy says don't be a pansy and take a little risk with your life while he sits at home on his couch and complains about why you should get recruited over next season by some 4 star HS junior.

 

[bdgan]

Kids need to be back in school this fall and we need to be approaching something resembling normal by the fall or be prepared for consequences in so many other areas of life.

This is critical IMO. Especially with the mortality rate for Covid patients under 25 being something like 1 in a million. Yes, I know they can become carriers.

 

[AWS1022]

Unfortunately 50k is the same as 100k.... there is no social distancing. Either we go all in or not at all. This may all be a moot point as a second phase is inevitable and we will shut it all down again.

That’s like saying allowing restaurants to operate at 50% is the same as 100%....it’s not. Half as many people is better than all of the people. It might not be ideal, but it’s still better.

 

[katchthis]

That’s like saying allowing restaurants to operate at 50% is the same as 100%....it’s not. Half as many people is better than all of the people. It might not be ideal, but it’s still better.

PA Restaurant Assoc. estimated >30% permanent closure of restaurants in PA secondary to the closures. With tight profit margins in that business. many would be just as well of closing as trying to operate a viable business on 50% seating capacity.

 

[jrd23psu]

Really?? Or are you really not paying attention or just plain ignorant.

My guess is both.

 

[PSU65]

There is no reason to not have football this fall. Simply deny admittance to those in high risk groups which removes risk almost entirely as they account for almost all hospitalizations and deaths. This is not really all that hard.

I've seen this asked by others and I've also asked it myself--and I haven't seen any reasonable answers. What happens if a few players on a team come down with it. They have to be removed from everyone else. And also, all the people they come in contact with have to isolate themselves for 2 weeks. That's players and coaches. So then what do you do next game day, when half (probably more) the team can't play? Do they forfeit? And the contact trace gets ever larger.

 

[Nitwit]

Your point about isolating the coaches is a good one. And players of all ages risk career threatening lung damage. We don’t have established best practices for sports yet. Perhaps one of the professional leagues will resume and show us the way. I’d hate for college football to become the model to test how this might all work. I have a suspicion that we might see the NFL but no college football this fall. How will they handle protecting coaches, staff, trainers, and players from getting sick? Will they wear protective gear on the sidelines. It’s hard to imagine someone like Andy Reid or Bill Belichic on the sidelines wearing a mask or face shield during the game. But again the TV revenue is hard to pass up. We will know in another 2 months I suppose.

 

[BoulderFish]

There is no reason to not have football this fall. Simply deny admittance to those in high risk groups which removes risk almost entirely as they account for almost all hospitalizations and deaths. This is not really all that hard.

I mean, obviously the "deny attendence..." part was meant to troll, but it was unfortunate that you did that because it caused a distraction away from the rest of what you said, which was spot on.

The only sure way through this mess is letting people who are ok with getting infected - and attending a football game with thousands of other people clearly signals that one is ok with it - get infected.

Those that are truly high risk from covid,like my own mother, unfortunately, should be living in a bubble right now - so it shouldn't make any difference to them if others attend a football game.

 

[PearlSUJam]

That’s like saying allowing restaurants to operate at 50% is the same as 100%....it’s not. Half as many people is better than all of the people. It might not be ideal, but it’s still better.

50% with 6 ft. distancing at a restaurant is completely different than every other seat in Beaver Stadium. I can't believe I even had to post this.

 

[KnightSlayer]

I am curious how the liability comes in to play. first of course, there would have to be actual damages from a disease, and then proximate cause. finally who are the parties? the plaintiff (assuming this is not a class play but an individual case) seems obvious as the person with actual damages. who is the defendant?

How about a player who gets it and then doesn't get drafted? Any player could claim they just aren't the same since the illness. How do you prove they aren't fatigued, have reduced cardio, endurance etc.