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CFB 50-50 to happen at all according to report

I agree. I’m a 25 year season ticket holder and huge football fan. I look forward to being able to watch football on TV this season. But I don’t think cramming 109,000 into Beaver Stadium is a smart decision. It’s football. I don’t think it’s worth the risk of your or your parents’ lives. Are you going to enjoy the games knowing you might become a carrier? How many people will you be in contact with during the 14 days after attending a game? And how many will those people contact? If they play, they should do so with a very limited attendance, and I suspect they will because of the money, not because of the safety and welfare of the students and fans. I can’t imagine that social distancing and masks will be practical or fun. Hand sanitizer stations are not enough. Let’s worry about opening the classrooms before we open the stadiums.
Yes, absolutely. Depends if I’m still teleworking. Again, depends
Feels way more likely than 50-50 at this point so not sure where this came from.
“Someone high up”, LOL!!! I said it back in April, and I’ll say it again, THERE WILL 100% be a season this year!!! If anyone wants to place a friendly wager on that presumtion, PLEASE let me know!!! The only question now is whether or not there will be fans in the stands, and if so, to what extent. My guess is 50% capacity will be allowed at most stadiums, including Beaver Stadium.
 
So what’s the equation? $50,000 per parent, $25,000 if they’re over 70? $100,000 for your 50 year old sister? Look I’m being facetious but life isn’t going to return to normal for a long time, maybe years. These people and businesses need to adjust their lives somehow.

Until either the virus mutates and disappears or a vaccine is found and administered we are all living in a new normal. Many people, and I don’t know if it’s 30% or 10% of the population are not going to resume their pre Covid-19 lives.

Not taking cruises, working from home instead of offices, not flying commercial airlines, not buying luxury goods that no one will ever see, taking classes remotely, putting fewer miles on your cars, buying new cars and gas less often, are just some of the issues which will be pervasive through out the economy.

You're apparently fine with that, but I say f**k that. It doesn't have to be like that, and life is short, so it just blows my mind how so many people are ok with accepting this as a new way of life. It's ridiculous.

There are going to be more deadly viruses that come along in the future without a clear group that are most at risk. Those such viruses will present a real problem as there will be no path through them.

This virus is easy. It's playbook is clear. We have decades of science, microbiology, and virology research and knowledge giving us a path through this one. But politics, at every level, has trumped (no pun intended) the science, and here we are... Paralyzed by the fear borne of ignorance.

F**k this sh*t.
 
50% with 6 ft. distancing at a restaurant is completely different than every other seat in Beaver Stadium. I can't believe I even had to post this.
Did you manage to read my entire post or just the first line? I said it wasn’t ideal, but it was still better than 100%....can’t really argue with that but you did. At some point we have to realize we can’t stop people from catching the virus and we can’t shut down until there are zero cases. Our economy can’t survive it. I can’t believe I had to post this.
 
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That’s like saying allowing restaurants to operate at 50% is the same as 100%....it’s not. Half as many people is better than all of the people. It might not be ideal, but it’s still better.
A restaurant does not have the extreme population density of the stadium so apples to oranges. I would be ok with going to the stadium at 50k or 100k personally but because of my profession I will not do it until there is a vaccine. I work in healthcare and have the potential to be a covid carrier and a super spreader in a place like a stadium.
 
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There is no reason to not have football this fall. Simply deny admittance to those in high risk groups which removes risk almost entirely as they account for almost all hospitalizations and deaths. This is not really all that hard.
I turn 59 this October so that includes me. I came to this realization a couple of weeks ago that regardless of what happens I cannot go this fall. Kind of sucks living less than three miles from the stadium. But getting Covid-19 would suck more.
 
I'm sure there are lawyers that will chase anything, but good luck trying to prove that a client contracted Covid 19 by being exposed at a specific location.
Thank you for some sanity. This whole concept of "they could be liable ..." is completely overblown. In theory, it sounds reasonable, but the reality is the virus has anywhere from a couple of days to 14 days incubation. Nobody is going to be able to prove they picked up the virus at the stadium vs classroom vs dorm room vs hallway vs restaurant vs grocery store vs bar, etc etc etc. ... or anywhere else they were throughout the previous 2 weeks. End of case .
 
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Did you manage to read my entire post or just the first line? I said it wasn’t ideal, but it was still better than 100%....can’t really argue with that but you did. At some point we have to realize we can’t stop people from catching the virus and we can’t shut down until there are zero cases. Our economy can’t survive it. I can’t believe I had to post this.
Well then just say pack em in and eff it.
 
A restaurant does not have the extreme population density of the stadium so apples to oranges. I would be ok with going to the stadium at 50k or 100k personally but because of my profession I will not do it until there is a vaccine. I work in healthcare and have the potential to be a covid carrier and a super spreader in a place like a stadium.
It’s not apples and oranges when you look at the context....it’s an example of 50% is better than 100%. Are you saying having 50,000 people is not better than having 100,000? I’m not sure how you can back that up.
 
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Thank you for some sanity. This whole concept of "they could be liable ..." is completely overblown In theory, it sounds reasonable, but the reality is the virus has anywhere from a couple of days to 14 days incubation. Nobody is going to be able to prove they picked up the virus at the stadium vs classroom vs dorm room vs hallway vs restaurant vs grocery store vs bar, etc etc etc. End of case .
Let me know when judges and juries only do the reasonable thing. I’ll wait.
 
I'm sure there are lawyers that will chase anything, but good luck trying to prove that a client contracted Covid 19 by being exposed at a specific location.
"Proof" realy doesn't matter sometimes. All you have to do is convince a jury, and if they are sympathetic?....
 
Don’t wait for the shoe companies in New England to reopen - it will never happen. The economy is in transition and opening up won’t change that.
I chuckled at that last point. My great grandfather, great-great grandfather, and 3rd-great-grandfather were all employed in the shoe industry in Massachusetts. But my grandfather and his brother were civil engineers, my dad was an engineer (industrial furnaces), and I studied chemistry at State. Times change.
 
It’s not apples and oranges when you look at the context....it’s an example of 50% is better than 100%. Are you saying having 50,000 people is not better than having 100,000? I’m not sure how you can back that up.
There is still no social distancing at 50k fans, there is social distancing at 50% restaurant capacity. This really is an easy concept. I think social distancing can potentially happen at 20-30k fans.
 
There is still no social distancing at 50k fans, there is social distancing at 50% restaurant capacity. This really is an easy concept. I think social distancing can potentially happen at 20-30k fans.
I wasn’t talking about social distancing....in fact I said you can’t have 6 feet between fans at a football game. The easiest concept is that fewer people are better than more people. That’s easy.
 
I wasn’t talking about social distancing....in fact I said you can’t have 6 feet between fans at a football game. The easiest concept is that fewer people are better than more people. That’s easy.

What exactly are you trying to say?
 
"Proof" realy doesn't matter sometimes. All you have to do is convince a jury, and if they are sympathetic?....
Please. There is not going to be sympathy for people that go to football stadiums and then get the virus, from whatever source.
 
It’s not apples and oranges when you look at the context....it’s an example of 50% is better than 100%. Are you saying having 50,000 people is not better than having 100,000? I’m not sure how you can back that up.

I don't think it will make a huge difference. for a couple reasons.

1) It isn't like if 1 person has covid that all 100k would get it
2) As a result the number of people infected may be 0 less or 50% less - likely in the middle
3) The issue isn't so much the game - but actions after - you have no way to know tracking what folks do during the week - so the 50k that you don't allow to attend may sit home for 2 weeks thus not further spreading - so no impact
4) How would you cut the attendance? - I would wage most plans would include reducing the # of tickets per holder (to allow more donors to attend) - so if you are reducing one family from 4 tickets to 2 to attend the game - you get no 'covid savings' as they will likely be in close contact over the 2 weeks following the game.
 
I don't think it will make a huge difference. for a couple reasons.

1) It isn't like if 1 person has covid that all 100k would get it
2) As a result the number of people infected may be 0 less or 50% less - likely in the middle
3) The issue isn't so much the game - but actions after - you have no way to know tracking what folks do during the week - so the 50k that you don't allow to attend may sit home for 2 weeks thus not further spreading - so no impact
4) How would you cut the attendance? - I would wage most plans would include reducing the # of tickets per holder (to allow more donors to attend) - so if you are reducing one family from 4 tickets to 2 to attend the game - you get no 'covid savings' as they will likely be in close contact over the 2 weeks following the game.
And nothing in your response explains how anyone can say that having 50,000 people isn’t better than having 100,000.
 
Yes, absolutely. Depends if I’m still teleworking. Again, depends

“Someone high up”, LOL!!! I said it back in April, and I’ll say it again, THERE WILL 100% be a season this year!!! If anyone wants to place a friendly wager on that presumtion, PLEASE let me know!!! The only question now is whether or not there will be fans in the stands, and if so, to what extent. My guess is 50% capacity will be allowed at most stadiums, including Beaver Stadium.

First player or coach to get seriously ill will shut it down. So, I'll take your bet. Might start - but doubt it will finish.
 
First player or coach to get seriously ill will shut it down. So, I'll take your bet. Might start - but doubt it will finish.
I should have made myself more clear. That bet would be if the season starts on time, not if it will finish. I do still think it will finish in some manner as well. It may be shortened, but a national champion will be crowned.
 
Or you can be an out of work chef. Your choice. People change careers out of necessity when they realize theirs is no longer in demand. The labor market is always evolving. We don’t need horse buggy whip companies anymore so we make Teslas instead. I feel badly for people whose jobs will disappear. No one wants to change careers and leave something they enjoy and are good at. But if the choice is getting retrained and changing direction midstream vs. being long term unemployed, you do what you have to and redirect your talents elsewhere. I’ve seen people wait for years for the mill to reopen but it never does. Many restaurants will go under even after we open up. Many people will eat out less often because the virus has taken the enjoyment out of socializing in public, whether justified or not. It doesn’t take a big revenue reduction to drive many businesses into bankruptcy. Who wants to eat out and spend $200 in a place where there is even a remote chance of catching this disease? Maybe the chef can work in a home meal preparation company like Hello Fresh or Sun Basket. Maybe he can start his own company? The world has changed and it’s going to take a long time for it to change back. The sooner some businesses and their owners and employees change with it, the better for them. Look what’s happened to bricks and mortar malls even before the virus. Stuff happens all the time.

Why is it that people who are not in the at-risk group should have to sacrifice careers, livelihoods, socializing, etc. for the sake of a much smaller group of at-risk people? Why should that group be the ones isolated? Shouldn't it be the at-risk people who isolate themselves? You say lives will be lost regardless, so why not open everything up and the people who are afraid of the virus can isolate themselves.

I don't know about others, but if life continues as it is now, I'd rather take the risk and die of the virus than to keep living like this.
 
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Sorry, we have to open up at some point.
I’m not taking a side here, merely asking a question. I’ve seen this argument a lot, and agree that we have to open up. I’m a little more leery since I know someone in his 30’s, completely healthy otherwise, but who got his arse handed to him by Covid-19....ventilator, LONG hospital stay, etc. He’s recovered, but still not sure to what capacity his health will ultimately return. My question is this - why have we seen countries hit extremely hard (Spain, Italy, etc) not just flatten, but pretty much eradicate the curve? Of course it’s not completely gone, but compared to our plateau (and now increasing spikes), what the hell are we doing wrong? And why do the powers that be seem to be ignoring it?
 
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Why is it that people who are not in the at-risk group should have to sacrifice careers, livelihoods, socializing, etc. for the sake of a much smaller group of at-risk people? Why should that group be the ones isolated? Shouldn't it be the at-risk people who isolate themselves? You say lives will be lost regardless, so why not open everything up and the people who are afraid of the virus can isolate themselves.

I don't know about others, but if life continues as it is now, I'd rather take the risk and die of the virus than to keep living like this.
The problem is no one other than the politicians gets a say. It doesn’t matter what people want, it’s what the governors want.
 
If the medical professionals say the distance is 6' in an outdoor restaurant then it's 6' in a football stadium- this shouldn't be complicated, or a matter of opinion.
 
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I’m not taking a side here, merely asking a question. I’ve seen this argument a lot, and agree that we have to open up. I’m a little more leery since I know someone in his 30’s, completely healthy otherwise, but who got his arse handed to him by Covid-19....ventilator, LONG hospital stay, etc. He’s recovered, but still not sure to what capacity his health will ultimately return. My question is this - why have we seen countries hit extremely hard (Spain, Italy, etc) not just flatten, but pretty much eradicate it? Of course it’s not completely gone, but compared to our plateau (and now increasing spikes), what the hell are we doing wrong? And why do the powers that be seem to be ignoring it?

Because Americans are entitled whiners who can't stay away from the beach. Other countries are more comfortable giving up personal freedoms in the short term for long term benefit. I go to the store or post office and half the people there aren't wearing masks or gloves.
 
I’m not taking a side here, merely asking a question. I’ve seen this argument a lot, and agree that we have to open up. I’m a little more leery since I know someone in his 30’s, completely healthy otherwise, but who got his arse handed to him by Covid-19....ventilator, LONG hospital stay, etc. He’s recovered, but still not sure to what capacity his health will ultimately return. My question is this - why have we seen countries hit extremely hard (Spain, Italy, etc) not just flatten, but pretty much eradicate the curve? Of course it’s not completely gone, but compared to our plateau (and now increasing spikes), what the hell are we doing wrong? And why do the powers that be seem to be ignoring it?
I think the main thing in all of this is the amount of testing and the accuracy of those tests. As we do more and more testing, of course we’re going to have more cases. We have no way of knowing what the other countries are doing in terms of testing.
 
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Because Americans are entitled whiners who can't stay away from the beach. Other countries are more comfortable giving up personal freedoms in the short term for long term benefit. I go to the store or post office and half the people there aren't wearing masks or gloves.
Oh good lord.
 
I just read that several bars in Florida have closed up again shortly after their opening due to their staffs and many of their customers coming down with the virus after frequenting their establishments. They will do a massive cleaning and try to reopen afterwards. Of course their own newly infected employees will not be available to provide service until after they have hopefully recuperated. They are looking for ways to protect their workers and customers from this recurring.
 
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Yeah, I’d say 50/50 is generous. Case in point - if a player tests positive, then theoretically he has exposed his entire team AND players from any teams he played against (and ultimately every team THAT team has played). So wouldn’t every team along the chain have to quarantine for 14 days? Is the ncaa going to postpone games in that timespan or simply forfeit them? A champion could be crowned simply for being most healthy.

This is the same reason why I don’t believe that any of the pro leagues spouting comeback plans (with the exception maybe of baseball) will actually be back this year. They’re all saying the right things, but it’s likely just lip service. They know (as gambit suggested) that the liability costs are going to be way too high.
 
1) The problem with only those who are high risk social distance isn't straight forward.
- How do you prove someone is high risk with Hipaa laws
- That aside - so people who are high risk lose their job if it can't be work from home - if not what happens when it is safe to come back as their employer may have temporarily filled their role
- it is practically impossible to completely avoid others - so those at higher risk will likely come into contact with people - and by eliminating distancing for all - you may be increasing risks for those people

Those points said - I still feel we need to open up - but it isn't as easy and black and white as some make it. The government should have been planning for this - but of course they didn't.

2) The stay at home wasn't to prevent cases. it was to save live by spreading the cases out so those who needed hospital rooms/equipment could get them. We are past that point - so city states should open back up - but with the expectation that if cases spike - some measures might be implemented to re flatten the curve.

Both these points aside - there is a difference between opening up and being 'careless'. 100k fans aren't needed in a stadium. That is asking for problems. The world won't end, businesses won't end if games are only visible on tv. Only really hotels are drastically impacted by not having the full allotment of fans. I get that bars and restaurants lose business - but they would survive. If you own a business in State College what would you prefer - reduced business for 6-7 weekends or another period where the university closes and students go home?
 
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The virus doesn’t affect people protesting for the right reasons....haven’t you heard? It’s a very righteous virus. I’m not sure a football game is a righteous enough reason.

Penn State certainly is not righteous enough. COVID-19 will run through us in an unforgettable ASS. BEATING. :eek: . We deserve it.
 
Yeah, I’d say 50/50 is generous. Case in point - if a player tests positive, then theoretically he has exposed his entire team AND players from any teams he played against (and ultimately every team THAT team has played). So wouldn’t every team along the chain have to quarantine for 14 days? Is the ncaa going to postpone games in that timespan or simply forfeit them? A champion could be crowned simply for being most healthy.

This is the same reason why I don’t believe that any of the pro leagues spouting comeback plans (with the exception maybe of baseball) will actually be back this year. They’re all saying the right things, but it’s likely just lip service. They know (as gambit suggested) that the liability costs are going to be way too high.
And this could be the same six months from now or even a year from now. We may never get a vaccine and if we do it may only be minimally effective. So basically we have to shut down all large gatherings forever. At some point we have to make a decision to going back to living our lives and dealing with the fallout. How long that takes probably has a lot to do with the election results in November.
 
I think the main thing in all of this is the amount of testing and the accuracy of those tests. As we do more and more testing, of course we’re going to have more cases. We have no way of knowing what the other countries are doing in terms of testing.
True, but regardless of how accurate the testing may be, results are revealing NEW cases, not just people who’ve already had it (which btw, we still haven’t even scratched the surface on that list).
 
And this could be the same six months from now or even a year from now. We may never get a vaccine and if we do it may only be minimally effective. So basically we have to shut down all large gatherings forever. At some point we have to make a decision to going back to living our lives and dealing with the fallout. How long that takes probably has a lot to do with the election results in November.
We’re in agreement, but whether we have an effective vaccine or not, we’ll still know a helluva lot more about the longer-term effects of the disease by then. Sooner is better, but better is best.
 
So it's "pretty much over", but you wouldn't take a bet that the football season will finish. All of us hope it does, but I also hope arrogant assholes like you go to every game to test the theory.

COVID not being a threat to our healthcare system and the football season finishing are two different considerations. COVID is clearly pretty much over, but there are still a ton of nonsense restrictions going on in our society. I think the football season will start, but I don't have high hopes for the football season finishing normally.
 
COVID not being a threat to our healthcare system and the football season finishing are two different considerations. COVID is clearly pretty much over, but there are still a ton of nonsense restrictions going on in our society. I think the football season will start, but I don't have high hopes for the football season finishing normally.
It simply isn't clearly pretty much over. Not worth talking about with the likes of you. Enjoy the games at the stadium, I absolutely encourage you to go with no mask.
 
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