Will do. Enjoy hiding in your basement until you eventually die. Should be fun for you.
CFB 50-50 to happen at all according to report
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Will do. Enjoy hiding in your basement until you eventually die. Should be fun for you.
It does not need to be this way. Their have been similar and much worse epidemics pandemics in the past...and life went on. This lock down is completely new and self-imposed. Basically it is trying to minimize risk (just like any immunization or safety regulation might do).
And if there is never a vaccine then you are done attending sporting events the rest of your natural life? Hey your choice.
Coming late to the party, but there will be fans at college games. These are not paid athletes, will be hard to justify the conditions being safe for players and not fans. Too much money is on the line to not play. As for the pros, I think season ticket payment were deferred until 6/1... I fight it hard to believe the owners are going to give that money back. It is simple in my opinion, you go to concerts and sporting events on your own free will... no reason that should change due to a coronavirus (a.k.a a cold). If you don’t want to go don’t go, but you don’t have the right from stopping people who do want to go from going. One final thought, we have been packing domestic flights now for weeks, there is no reason why we can’t pack arenas and stadiums.
In his mind. It's all just a hoax. Fake news. A guvment conspiracy. People gotta go out and get their drunk on, don't ya know. Got to football. Bottom line, humans are too stupid to survive.
I just want to make an observation:
I've read every post in this thread. I want to commend the majority of you who have posted in it. outside of a few usual suspects (read: ASSHOLES) this has been a VERY civil and productive conversation. I know my opinion doesn't matter but I'm actually really happy to see that people can disagree and have discussions without resorting to being condescending patronizing pricks (again, outside of the usual suspects).
As far as the contents of the thread: I am along with @AWS1022 and his crew of "let's just bite the bullet and get back to life". Outside of people in higher risk categories (advanced age, pre-existing condition.... etc) I think the rest of us should get back to living life WITH precautions (mask, social distancing... etc). I have little to no faith in a vaccine because (AS I SEE IT) if you look at the flu vaccine, it's great at fighting LAST YEAR'S flu. This thing is mutating and by the time there's a vaccine it won't be nearly as effective against the current strain of C-19. Will be better than nothing, but i think people relying on a vaccine are putting all their eggs in 1 basket. I'll welcome any healthcare provider to set me straight on that though, as i'm not only not an expert, i'm not in the healthcare field. I just don't see the value in more people being out or work, risking more bankruptcies, straining the economy while the government continues to pencil whip more bail outs increasing the national debt.... it's a recipe for disaster. The folks in the stock threads thought when the market went down to 18k was a bear market.... if this continues and people don't get back to work, we're going to be in SERIOUS trouble.
I've read every post in this thread. I want to commend the majority of you who have posted in it. outside of a few usual suspects (read: ASSHOLES) this has been a VERY civil and productive conversation. I know my opinion doesn't matter but I'm actually really happy to see that people can disagree and have discussions without resorting to being condescending patronizing pricks (again, outside of the usual suspects).
As far as the contents of the thread: I am along with @AWS1022 and his crew of "let's just bite the bullet and get back to life". Outside of people in higher risk categories (advanced age, pre-existing condition.... etc) I think the rest of us should get back to living life WITH precautions (mask, social distancing... etc). I have little to no faith in a vaccine because (AS I SEE IT) if you look at the flu vaccine, it's great at fighting LAST YEAR'S flu. This thing is mutating and by the time there's a vaccine it won't be nearly as effective against the current strain of C-19. Will be better than nothing, but i think people relying on a vaccine are putting all their eggs in 1 basket. I'll welcome any healthcare provider to set me straight on that though, as i'm not only not an expert, i'm not in the healthcare field. I just don't see the value in more people being out or work, risking more bankruptcies, straining the economy while the government continues to pencil whip more bail outs increasing the national debt.... it's a recipe for disaster. The folks in the stock threads thought when the market went down to 18k was a bear market.... if this continues and people don't get back to work, we're going to be in SERIOUS trouble.
100% with you on all of the above. And no I don't think it's a hoax neither do 95 + percent of the people who are getting called out for thinking it's a hoax. The big problem is how the data is presented and reported. All that's broadcast are things like cumulative cases or cases that are reported that day.I just want to make an observation:
I've read every post in this thread. I want to commend the majority of you who have posted in it. outside of a few usual suspects (read: ASSHOLES) this has been a VERY civil and productive conversation. I know my opinion doesn't matter but I'm actually really happy to see that people can disagree and have discussions without resorting to being condescending patronizing pricks (again, outside of the usual suspects).
As far as the contents of the thread: I am along with @AWS1022 and his crew of "let's just bite the bullet and get back to life". Outside of people in higher risk categories (advanced age, pre-existing condition.... etc) I think the rest of us should get back to living life WITH precautions (mask, social distancing... etc). I have little to no faith in a vaccine because (AS I SEE IT) if you look at the flu vaccine, it's great at fighting LAST YEAR'S flu. This thing is mutating and by the time there's a vaccine it won't be nearly as effective against the current strain of C-19. Will be better than nothing, but i think people relying on a vaccine are putting all their eggs in 1 basket. I'll welcome any healthcare provider to set me straight on that though, as i'm not only not an expert, i'm not in the healthcare field. I just don't see the value in more people being out or work, risking more bankruptcies, straining the economy while the government continues to pencil whip more bail outs increasing the national debt.... it's a recipe for disaster. The folks in the stock threads thought when the market went down to 18k was a bear market.... if this continues and people don't get back to work, we're going to be in SERIOUS trouble.
As I've said before go check out a State website and then a couple days later go back and recheck it all the date has been reclassified to different dates. Plus they are never or at least very rarely saying how many of these positive tests are actually antibody tests. I have a cousin who lives outside of Cincinnati and Ohio governor just claimed their County had a spike. Well they haven't had a case in their County since May 27th andthat Spike was one new case that was reported over the weekend.
Also if you go look at the data in Florida and take out the 8 to 10% that is antibody positives as well as the reassigned data back to the date of the test it's not a spike other than Maybe one or two slices and even those are not huge percent increases. The crazy thing about those is also that if there are that many more positives then that means a death rates much lower.
Number of deaths reported and their dates as well as the percent positives of tests without antibodies are what needs to be reported to get a true representation of the seriousness of the virus. Not all this other kind of stuff that just keeps presenting fear.
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You hit the nail on the head. Having case counts and death counts plastered on screen 24/7 (via TV or website) does nothing other than cause fear. Most Americans headline surf too, and what we're left with is a very distorted picture of reality.
spot on. i had a coworker send an email yesterday requesting a meeting we're scheduled to have on monday be delayed because "cases in NC are increasing". um.......... i mean yeah i guess they are, but so are the total number of tests, and deaths are decreasing and the percentage of positive tests per total tests is staying the same. but if you look at the headlines, yup, NC is on the brink of collapse and disaster, and everyone is getting COVID!!!!!!
Drawing any comparisons between the seasonal flu vaccine and the attempts to develop a Covid-19 vaccine is a serious mistake.
Flu is short for influenza. There are multiple subtypes of influenza. Each spring, experts at the CDC (I think other groups are also involved; too lazy to check) meet. They analyze all the data they have on various outbreaks of influenza (mostly in Asia), to determine what configuration should be used for that year's flu vaccine in the USA.
There are 4 subtypes of influenza: A, B, C, and D. Only A- and B-type cause major problems for humans. C-type causes a very minor issue for humans, while D-type does not affect humans; it mostly causes issues for cattle.
A-type is the one that causes the biggest problems for humans. Scientists look at two proteins on the surface of the virus -- hemagglutinin (H) and neuraminidase (N). There are 18 different H subtypes (H1 through H18) and 11 different N subtypes (N1 through N11). If you do the calculations, you can see that there are theoretically 198 different influenza A subtype combinations of the different proteins. So far, only @ 130 have been identified in nature, but there is always a fear that a mutation will occur and a new combo will take place.
Keep in mind, there does not exist a flu vaccine that you take one time, and it affords you immunity from the flu for the rest of your life. That's because of all the aforementioned different types of permutations The experts, to the best of their ability, configure the vaccine to what they see is occurring in various hot spots. Most years, they get it right. Some years, they get it wrong, so to speak, and what they have configured does not really afford a lot of protection against the type of combination that is present in flu season. (There is, I believe, a universal flu vaccine that is in Phase II testing. If it's successful (hardly a given) it would replace the seasonal flu vaccine and you would likely only have to take it one time and be protected against all types of influenza.)
The COVID-19 virus is a coronavirus. As such, it doesn't really behave like the influenza (which is not a coronavirus). Many of the vaccine candidates in the pipeline are based on work that was done in the past decade on the MERS and the SARS viruses, which are also coronaviruses.
The weakness (so to speak) of the COVID-19 coronavirus is that it has one protein on its surface. While there have been some mutations of COVID-19, they also exhibit that same protein. Several of the current vaccine candidates are arrayed against that protein. At this point, it's not clear what is the most effective means of fighting that protein. There are multiple possibilities, and the testing will figure out which one is the most effective AND does not cause any harm to humans. (Or, some of the other vaccine candidates, which don't focus on that protein, will prove to be the most effective.)
I tried to simplify the scientific aspect of this as much as I could. Hopefully, I presented it in a way that makes sense to a non-scientist.
I'd also add that nobody in science is putting all their baskets, so to speak, in a vaccine. Independent labs and pharma companies around the globe are working frantically to come up with effective treatments for Covid-19. They are all aware that the fastest a vaccine has ever been developed, from concept to approval, is four years. With all the focus on Covid-19, there is hope that this timeframe can be reduced for a vaccine. Those working on effective treatments are trying to come up with something that can work until a vaccine is available, and also realize that due to the challenges of developing a vaccine, an effective treatment may be the best bet we have for quite some time.
As someone who checks all the high risk categories, I completely agree with you. And, for what it's worth, so does every friend & family member I know. I have never had so many government "Karens" worrying about me catching a virus. Living in Centre County, I have no idea what color code Gov Wolf has put us in, not do I care. I have been living my life in nearly the same way as I was, pre-Covid. I keep a useless mask in my pocket if I go into a store, and that's about the only concession I've made. I walk daily, chat with friends, and go about my life and I'm not sure why the younger set is so compliant to these mediocre people posing as politicians. For the most part they don't deserve this level of blind compliance.
Go out, have fun, earn a living, and enjoy life. Please don't give a second thought to the "endangered people". Life owes me nothing, and it's been a ball but if it all ended tomorrow, I got my money's worth. If there was a poll taken I'd bet 90% of us would agree with me but you won't see that poll. Someone should ask a politician why that is since we're the population largely affected.
That's about it for me.
Peace, over and out.
Friend of ours gets into a car accident. Few broken bones. Goes to ER, should go home in a few days. After two days in ER, tests positive for Covid. Now on ventilator. Can't get him off. It's been a week. Wife and family have to face time to see him. Not so sure they would be counted in your 90% figure.
Thanks for your post, bison13. I have been amazed at the vitriol directed against people who have taken the time to look at the data and have reached reasonable conclusions based on that data. COVID may never go to zero (and I don't think it will likely ever go to zero). But COVID doesn't need to go to zero for its threat to the healthcare system to be pretty much over. I'm not sure how that gets twisted into saying that someone thinks COVID is a hoax.
Sure if those under 60 people self-isolate for 14 days afterwards or are able to get tested. Would you want them to come into your office on Monday? How about running into them in grocery stores, retail stores, restaurants? Better not visit their parents and maintain social distance.
Did everyone hear what happened in Oregon? Over 230 people out of 365 tested positive from one church that held services. Good luck to everyone who wants to attend the football game with no social distancing.
The one advantage is that football games are played outside.
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I'm sure the situation is different in each locale. Where I live, 9 consecutive days of 0 cases. They just eased restrictions to groups of 10 people without social distancing and maximum of 50 with social distancing. Most stores and parks are open except ones that can't meet social distancing guidelines. I am still working from home.
Many sporting leagues and large events (such as running races, cycling gran fondos, concerts, festivals) have already been cancelled. Travel is restricted to essential services or must self-isolate for 14 days when reentering.
Our gov't has taken a cautious approach, but it has been largely successful from a public health perspective. I expect fall to get really ugly when deferred rents have to paid, deferred mortgages are due, and businesses that reopened fold when those rents are due. Tourism industry will likely be decimated.
What I do know is that almost everyone here doesn't want go back to more restrictions. There have been no protests at anytime about restrictions. My neighbors were both of out of work and they weren't complaining. I'm sure that some were privately complaining, but even politicians from all parties haven't openly criticized restrictions. Sounds like many of you are experiencing a different reality with much more division.
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thank you Tom. Definitely made it understandable to those of us who didn’t do so well in the sciences in school. Very much appreciate the education.
Please be careful what you wish for. My father died from pneumonia in 2014. It's a terrible way to die.
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