CNN Headline on Paterno

[Connorpozlee]

Regular Joe should have pushed MM to contact the authorities in addition to taking the matter to Curley. He knew a sexual event occurred between a boy and a mature male... clearly his actions failed.

His actions clearly didn't work out as he would have hoped, surely. With the benefit of hindsight......... and all that.
Joe correctly got Mike in touch with the people at the school who's responsibility it was to evaluate the situation. Plain and simple. Could he have pushed Mike to contact authorities? Sure. In fact, he did get him in touch with the man that was in effect the chief of police. I suppose Joe could have strapped him into his car seat and driven him to the police station. But the fact of the matter is that Mike McQueary was a 27 year old man. Not a little kid. A fully grown man. At any point in this whole ordeal he was free to contact authorities on his own. He chose not to. In fact, he never did. He waited for police to come to him ten years later.
There were many failures in this ordeal. As a person who works in this field, I can tell you that Joe's failure is not in his actions. He did exactly as he should have done. Exactly. His greatest failure was in trusting those he handed it over to, to handle it properly. And I suppose another failure was in trusting Mike, whom I don't put much trust in.

 

[Obliviax]

Regular Joe should have pushed MM to contact the authorities in addition to taking the matter to Curley. He knew a sexual event occurred between a boy and a mature male... clearly his actions failed.

He also knew that MM told two very smart and experienced people: his father and his Dr. dranov, who knew more about the subject than he did. He also knew it was a half day later. So Joe did exactly as he should have...reported it to Curley and Schultz. Joe could have pressed MM to "contact the authorities" but Curley and Schultz were the "authorities" at that point.

 

[PSU Dave]

I love my school. You love Joe.

Stop calling it your school.

 

[Lefty Hill]

That's in your group of friends. Most people in this world who know of this incident feel that he failed.

How do you know that? Did you go door to door to every house in Finland to find out what every resident of that dwelling thinks about this? What about Paraguay? How about Bismarck, North Dakota? YOU. DON'T. KNOW.

 

[m.knox]

Then you should acknowledge his part in costing the University hundreds of millions of dollars and a massive hit to its good name.

I already did. Several times. Are you going to deny it?

What is your motivation in taking this obtuse position? I don't think it is that "he" took a massive hit to his name, or "he" cost the University hundreds of millions of dollars........ That's for sure. Something else is in your head.

 

[getmyjive11]

1) no one knows who else reported to Joe. Only that it happened.

You don't know who reported something to Joe and you don't know exactly what they reported to Joe but you do know that "it happened". Seriously?

2) S&C aren't the authorities. Never were.

S&C were the people that Joe reported to at the university. They were the people that university (and NCAA) policy say such things should have been referred to. No?

Why would Paterno tell MM that if it didn't happen? Oh right, you think MM is lying because of dick pics or something.

Nothing prevented Joe from making a police report, correct?

 

[getmyjive11]

His actions clearly didn't work out as he would have hoped, surely. With the benefit of hindsight......... and all that.
Joe correctly got Mike in touch with the people at the school who's responsibility it was to evaluate the situation. Plain and simple. Could he have pushed Mike to contact authorities? Sure. In fact, he did get him in touch with the man that was in effect the chief of police. I suppose Joe could have strapped him into his car seat and driven him to the police station. But the fact of the matter is that Mike McQueary was a 27 year old man. Not a little kid. A fully grown man. At any point in this whole ordeal he was free to contact authorities on his own. He chose not to. In fact, he never did. He waited for police to come to him ten years later.
There were many failures in this ordeal. As a person who works in this field, I can tell you that Joe's failure is not in his actions. He did exactly as he should have done. Exactly. His greatest failure was in trusting those he handed it over to, to handle it properly. And I suppose another failure was in trusting Mike, whom I don't put much trust in.

Stop with the chief of police BS. Schultz was not that, not even close.

 

[getmyjive11]

He also knew that MM told two very smart and experienced people: his father and his Dr. dranov, who knew more about the subject than he did. He also knew it was a half day later. So Joe did exactly as he should have...reported it to Curley and Schultz. Joe could have pressed MM to "contact the authorities" but Curley and Schultz were the "authorities" at that point.

No they were not the "authorities". Stop with the nonsense.

 

[getmyjive11]

Stop calling it your school.

Your school is that of Joe, not Penn State.

 

[getmyjive11]

How do you know that? Did you go door to door to every house in Finland to find out what every resident of that dwelling thinks about this? What about Paraguay? How about Bismarck, North Dakota? YOU. DON'T. KNOW.

Yes I do. It's not hard to gauge public reaction.

 

[getmyjive11]

I already did. Several times. Are you going to deny it?

What is your motivation in taking this obtuse position? I don't think it is that "he" took a massive hit to his name, or "he" cost the University hundreds of millions of dollars........ That's for sure. Something else is in your head.

I told you my motivation several times. I don't care if you believe it or not.

 

[royboy]

Yes I do. It's not hard to gauge public reaction.

Your obsession with this is remarkable.

You truly don't know when to quit. I'd say get over it and get on with your life, but this "cause" of trashing a dead man appears to be your life.

 

[m.knox]

I told you my motivation several times. I don't care if you believe it or not.

No you haven't.

All you say is that "Paterno failed", and that's it. Your positions gives him an disproportional amount of responsibility for Sandusky. Why?

 

[Lefty Hill]

Yes I do. It's not hard to gauge public reaction.

No, you don't know dumbbell.

 

[marshall23]

McQueary has revealed himself to be a morally flawed individual. His personal life is a trainwreck IMO, yet he is consistantly truthful about Sandusky? Right!

 

[TenerHallTerror]

been a busy weekend, sorry if this has already addressed, but I am f**king confused today

according to Ganim's new "story", Mike claims Joe said that 2001 was the "second" complaint about Sandusky

what was the first? 1998? 1976? the other 1970s report?? WTF??

do people really not understand how words work??

 

[getmyjive11]

Your obsession with this is remarkable.

You truly don't know when to quit. I'd say get over it and get on with your life, but this "cause" of trashing a dead man appears to be your life.

Why must I quit? It won't change what happened. Don't blame me for Paterno's poor decisions.

 

[getmyjive11]

been a busy weekend, sorry if this has already addressed, but I am f**king confused today

according to Ganim's new "story", Mike claims Joe said that 2001 was the "second" complaint about Sandusky

what was the first? 1998? 1976? the other 1970s report?? WTF??

do people really not understand how words work??

What exactly is confusing about it? Paterno said that was the 2nd complaint. That's it.

 

[getmyjive11]

No you haven't.

All you say is that "Paterno failed", and that's it. Your positions gives him an disproportional amount of responsibility for Sandusky. Why?

Yes I have. Use google and find it.

 

[bdgan]

Why would Paterno tell MM that if it didn't happen? Oh right, you think MM is lying because of dick pics or something.

Nothing prevented Joe from making a police report, correct?

1. I don't have 100% confidence in what MM says. His statements have not been consistent at all.
2. You have ZERO idea what Joe was referring to. He could have been referring to hearing about 1998 which was not deemed to be sexual assault. Perhaps somebody else told Joe that Jerry was showering with kids and they thought it was wrong. That doesn't mean sexual assault.

You should read Posnaski's book. He was very close to the situation having spent a lot of time in Paterno's home while writing his book. Joe asked Posnaski what he thought and Posnaski replied that he thought Joe should have done more. Fair enough. But Posnaski also reported that Joe seemed confused by the whole concept of child sexual assault. It was quite clear that Joe never understood that JS was raping or having oral sex with boys. Combine this with the fact that every single person MM spoke to has testified that MM never told them about sexual assault. Somehow you insist that everybody lied except for MM. You also discount the fact that MM said that Joe was great throughout the whole episode.

Furthermore you seem to support the notion that Joe covered things up in order to protect football. There is NO evidence of that and this is what the whole case is about from PSU's perspective. This is a rather small story if Joe, C, & S merely failed to fully appreciate the severity of what MM was trying to convey.

 

[royboy]

Why must I quit? It won't change what happened. Don't blame me for Paterno's poor decisions.

You don't have to quit, but your reasons for continuing are mysterious and creepy.

You're obsessed and tiresome.

 

[getmyjive11]

1. I don't have 100% confidence in what MM says. His statements have not been consistent at all.
2. You have ZERO idea what Joe was referring to. He could have been referring to hearing about 1998 which was not deemed to be sexual assault. Perhaps somebody else told Joe that Jerry was showering with kids and they thought it was wrong. That doesn't mean sexual assault.

You should read Posnaski's book. He was very close to the situation having spent a lot of time in Paterno's home while writing his book. Joe asked Posnaski what he thought and Posnaski replied that he thought Joe should have done more. Fair enough. But Posnaski also reported that Joe seemed confused by the whole concept of child sexual assault. It was quite clear that Joe never understood that JS was raping or having oral sex with boys. Combine this with the fact that every single person MM spoke to has testified that MM never told them about sexual assault. Somehow you insist that everybody lied except for MM.

Furthermore you seem to support the notion that Joe covered things up in order to protect football. There is NO evidence of that and this is what the whole case is about from PSU's perspective. This is a rather small story if Joe, C, & S merely failed to fully appreciate the severity of what MM was trying to convey.

You understand that you call the police so THEY can investigate to determine if there was wrongdoing, right?

 

[getmyjive11]

You don't have to quit, but your reasons for continuing are mysterious and creepy.

You're obsessed and tiresome.

I don't think being upset at people failing victims of CSA and also my university is creepy at all.

 

[royboy]

I don't think being upset at people failing victims of CSA and also my university is creepy at all.

You're so obsessive, you have lost any sense of self-awareness.

How many times have you stated your views and made the same points. Hundreds?

You have become an obsessive creep. Time for a little self-examination.

 

[getmyjive11]

You're so obsessive, you have lost any sense of self-awareness.

How many times have you stated your views and made the same points. Hundreds?

You have become an obsessive creep. Time for a little self-examination.

Am I consistent?

 

[bdgan]

You understand that you call the police so THEY can investigate to determine if there was wrongdoing, right?

I understand that completely. So why didnt MM do that?

 

[AvgUser]

I understand that completely. So why didnt MM do that?

... because nobody told him to do so.

I thought GMJ might have been Bernie mcCue. Sadly I was mistaken

 

[canuckhal]

Why would Paterno tell MM that if it didn't happen? Oh right, you think MM is lying because of dick pics or something.

Nothing prevented Joe from making a police report, correct?

You keep assuming that MM told Joe that he saw anal rape or sexual abuse. The only problem with your assumption is that it doesn't hold up with what MM told his father, Dranov, Curley, and Schultz. And of course MM own inactions. In order for your assumption to be correct, all those other people are lying about what MM told them, they can't recall what MM told them correctly, and their actions were totally inconsistent with MM really told them, but totally consistent with their versions of what they said MM told them.

 

[L.T. Young]

HAAA!!! Your brain dead hero is such an Einstein he was caught showing his junk in cyberspace just within the last year. History may show that Corbett and his cronies intentionally went after the wrong pervert.

Considering Spanier authored a study that hypothesized sexual contact between an adult and children under 11 would have no impact on the child you might want to stop throwing around the term perv around.

You're part of a sad little group of people that refuse to accept anything you don't like. It doesn't matter where it comes, even Paterno himself.

You're literally defending a convicted pedophile by judging what consenting adults do.

FTR, I'm not the one driving myself crazy barking at the moon. It's some conspiracy to get C/S/S. They f'd up and the sooner you make peace with that the better off you'll be.

Now I'm going to enjoy football season.

 

[m.knox]

Yes I have. Use google and find it.

Stop playing games. What is your motivation for trying to pin the Sandusky mess on Paterno? Clearly it's personal because your lack of objectivity in the matter is totally obvious. Just say it.

 

[L.T. Young]

You keep assuming that MM told Joe that he saw anal rape or sexual abuse. The only problem with your assumption is that it doesn't hold up with what MM told his father, Dranov, Curley, and Schultz. And of course MM own inactions. In order for your assumption to be correct, all those other people are lying about what MM told them, they can't recall what MM told them correctly, and their actions were totally inconsistent with MM really told them, but totally consistent with their versions of what they said MM told them.

I'm pretty sure Schultz backed up MM's general story of Sandusky being behind the kid with the kid's hands against the wall.

You have Paterno's testimony that it was sexual. But that doesn't count because....it just doesn't.

 

[LundyPSU]

Maybe Ms. Ganim should just release the statement to police. Seems there are some other inconsistencies between that, the GJ testimony, and JS testimony. Again, what is the point of this article? Especially now. Something else must be going on.

 

[m.knox]

Maybe Ms. Ganim should just release the statement to police. Again, what is the point of this article? Especially now. Something else must be going on.

Just looking for clicks.

 

[denniskembala]

I'm pretty sure Schultz backed up MM's general story of Sandusky being behind the kid with the kid's hands against the wall.

You have Paterno's testimony that it was sexual. But that doesn't count because....it just doesn't.

It doesn't count because it's PL bullshit according to your new "saint" JockstrapJacobs.

Please stay over there.

 

[bdgan]

Considering Spanier authored a study that hypothesized sexual contact between an adult and children under 11 would have no impact on the child you might want to stop throwing around the term perv around.

You're part of a sad little group of people that refuse to accept anything you don't like. It doesn't matter where it comes, even Paterno himself.

You're literally defending a convicted pedophile by judging what consenting adults do.

FTR, I'm not the one driving myself crazy barking at the moon. It's some conspiracy to get C/S/S. They f'd up and the sooner you make peace with that the better off you'll be.

Now I'm going to enjoy football season.

C&S definitely messed up. At a minimum they should have documented exactly what MM told them and the basis for their response. Perhaps they should have contacted DPW just to play it safe. Their administrative efforts were definitely deficient.

But that's a far cry from conspiring to cover for a pedophile (and knowingly allowing him to continue assaulting kids) in order to protect the reputation of the football team. And that's what this whole thing is about.

 

[getmyjive11]

I understand that completely. So why didnt MM do that?

Because he is a coward who failed.

 

[getmyjive11]

You keep assuming that MM told Joe that he saw anal rape or sexual abuse. The only problem with your assumption is that it doesn't hold up with what MM told his father, Dranov, Curley, and Schultz. And of course MM own inactions. In order for your assumption to be correct, all those other people are lying about what MM told them, they can't recall what MM told them correctly, and their actions were totally inconsistent with MM really told them, but totally consistent with their versions of what they said MM told them.

I assume that MM told him something of a sexual nature occurred because that is what Paterno testified to.

 

[denniskembala]

I assume that MM told him something of a sexual nature occurred because that is what Paterno testified to.

Same old PL shit with no substantiation

Asshole.

 

[getmyjive11]

Stop playing games. What is your motivation for trying to pin the Sandusky mess on Paterno? Clearly it's personal because your lack of objectivity in the matter is totally obvious. Just say it.

Go try google. Or go back and look at some of the old threads. It's out there, go find it.

 

[getmyjive11]

C&S definitely messed up. At a minimum they should have documented exactly what MM told them and the basis for their response. Perhaps they should have contacted DPW just to play it safe. Their administrative efforts were definitely deficient.

But that's a far cry from conspiring to cover for a pedophile (and knowingly allowing him to continue assaulting kids) in order to protect the reputation of the football team. And that's what this whole thing is about.

"Perhaps they should have contacted DPW"??? You mean that you still are not sure about that one???? Wow.