You are hurt that I don't warship your hero, this you have a reason to make BS up. Mike had no reason to make up what he said about Paterno. None.
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Actually he does. Sees it in the mirror every day.
He's writing his "memoirs" stupid. Or at least this version of them. Piling on Paterno sells in case you missed it. You've already been told that several times today.
Banner day for you. You've made yourself look like a bigger idiot than usual. Not an easy task, but you make it look easy.
I will tell you one last time. Please write it down so I don't need to waste my time again.
Paterno clearly failed the victims and our university. It's been 6 years of nothing but information pointing to Paterno failing, yet this board cannot accept reality. It reflects poorly on my University that you all continue this crusade for the truth when the truth is right in front of your face. Victims get attacked on here. Criminals get lauded and protected. Delusion runs wild. It is embarrassing.
My "agenda" is to call out the absurdity. Accept that if you wish or don't. I have said repeatedly that Paterno is probably the least to blame out of those associated with this scandal, but he still deserves blame. He was still part of the scandal. Instead of listening to what I said, people like you think I want to associate this whole scandal with Paterno. I do not. CSS, MM, and Jack (outside of Sandusky himself) were more to blame.
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My problem is that once JP gave the information over to TC and Gary, he absolutely should do nothing more. I realize that is hard to believe or understand. Jive crowd please call someone from the organizations who are in charge of the safety of children and let us know what they say JP (not the eye witness) should have done in this case. Please give us the information and who you talked to. Every expert I have talked to (I am a mandatory reporter myself) said he did the right thing. If they tell you that, then ask them why that is the case. The NCAA's new policy based on this case is to do what JP did. I can't imagine what else needs to be said.
If you receive a report of suspected CSA, you need to contact police and/or the pa childline. As a mandatory reporter, I hope you know this.
Guys, when are we going to move on? Against all odds, we're back in the national championship conversation. Unfairly and outrageously, the bastards tried to kill the program and failed. And here we are, with one of the best young coaches in the country, in the first month of the season, looking at a top-5 ranking and a real shot at the playoffs. Yet, we jabber on and on about past history. Screw it, man. Forget it.
Look, here's the hard freakin' fact of the matter: Joe's story is the stuff of Greek tragedy. A good man and great coach undone by the all too human failings of pride and cowardice. He stayed on too long, and in the end his judgment failed him. In the end, it became not about the team or the university, but about Joe. Which is ironic because if there was any one thing Joe preached during the Great Years, it was the team over the individual.
As much as people want it to be, this is not a black or white story. The people who worship Joe and won't let go are wrong. And the people who want to demonize him are equally wrong. The hard reality is in the middle, where most reality is. Let it go for God's sake. The haters are going to hate. And those who prefer living with blinders on will do that. Meanwhile, a lot of us just want to savor the moment. Mid-September. A top-5 ranking. 110,000 fans in the stadium.
It's time to move on.
Look, here's the hard freakin' fact of the matter: Joe's story is the stuff of Greek tragedy. A good man and great coach undone by the all too human failings of pride and cowardice. He stayed on too long, and in the end his judgment failed him. In the end, it became not about the team or the university, but about Joe. Which is ironic because if there was any one thing Joe preached during the Great Years, it was the team over the individual.
As much as people want it to be, this is not a black or white story. The people who worship Joe and won't let go are wrong. And the people who want to demonize him are equally wrong. The hard reality is in the middle, where most reality is. Let it go for God's sake. The haters are going to hate. And those who prefer living with blinders on will do that. Meanwhile, a lot of us just want to savor the moment. Mid-September. A top-5 ranking. 110,000 fans in the stadium.
It's time to move on.
We won't move on as long as little whores like Ganim keep rubbing out faces in it. But hey, if you wanna move, move; nobody needs you.
That makes for a great discussion. So things you don't want to believe are not allowed to be discussed? Fair enough.
I'll stop with that nonsense if you stop with the nonsense that Joe Paterno was supposed to put little Mikey McQueary on his shoulders and walk him down to the police department to make a report about what he saw in the shower.
Likewise, there is zero reason for Joe to protect a pedophile.
It's not worth discussing because Schultz was not what you have described him as. He isn't the police.
Well, that's not true, particularly if he received earlier reports of possible wrong doing. Regardless, I believe this was a case of a lack of caring. Your typical kick tge can down the curb scenario. But that is only my opinion... perhaps it was more nefarious? In the end, the motive doesn't matter because the failure exists regardless.
And your view on Paterno's actions are not worth discussing because they are not what make believe they were. Or, what you make believe they were supposed to be.
Actually, slutty Sara alleges that's what Paterno allegedly told McQueary. But aside from that, Sara previously reported that the 1971 "victim" (1), and 1976 "victim" (2) both told Paterno personally that Sandusky molested them. You're claiming that Paterno was told about the 1998 investigation (3). And McQuearthe reported 2001 (4).
That's 4. Yet you and Sara say it was definitely the second report. One of these reports is wrong. There is no way both can be true. Yet the same writer tries to say they are. If you want to argue 2=4, then you have no business typing another character in this thread. You have no credibility here.
Did anyone force you to click on this thread? Thereally are hundreds of threads dedicated to the topics you want to discuss, yet you choose to enter this one as a new member to tell us to move on.
Perhaps you should tell Sara Ganim to move on, as she's a one trick (pun definitely intended) Pony who's incapable of writing about any other topic, even with everything going on in the world.
Here's an interesting theory I saw on the social media sphere today: Sara is ghost writing McQueary's memoir. Would explain the timing and the content just released.
Ganim (who I'm starting to think might actually be getmyjive) specifically writes in the article that McQueary's Report where he claims Joe told him he knew of TWO incidents was two weeks after the arrests. November 23, 2011.
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How much blame do you assign to the police and prosecutors who were aware of 1998?
How much blame do they get for not getting all of the PSU staff together and telling them this:
"Look, we can't prove Sandusky is a pedophile, but we know he is a pedophile. When people witness pedophilia, they're often confused and uncertain. Here's what we want you to do. Call us."
I consider the law and order profession to bear almost all the responsibility (outside of that which Sandusky bears), because they are in the best position to know what to do.
Normal citizens are not equipped to deal with the insanity that is pedophilia.
Could be the "reason" was that he himself (Mike) had just found out about the 1998 incident in the GJP two weeks earlier when it was released.
According to your most recent article (I'm assuming YOU are Ganim since Penn State is YOUR school and you are inexplicably defending her intentional twisting of the facts), even YOU claim that Mike never revealed this "important" fact to the police before the November 2011 GJP. Mike didn't reveal it because he didn't KNOW it.
If you can find anything in your CNN archives which shows that McQueary knew about the 1998 Sandusky investigation before the release of the November 2011 GJP, and ESPECIALLY before his FIRST police report in 2010, give us a link.
I suppose our agenda is to call out your absurdity. And trust me, your position is absolutely absurd. You clearly want to lay this thing at the feet of Paterno. Objectively speaking, all one need do is read your posts. Your energy is almost exclusively dedicated to blaming Paterno, and clearly outweighs that of all the others.
What is embarrassing is that you and others allow the narrative that "everyone" knew Sandusky was sodomizing and fellating young boys, and turned a blind eye in the name of protecting football.
I understand that. But, I am pretty certain that Mike's written statement was 11/23/10.
Just because you keep repeating stuff, doesn't make it fact. Why can you not accept reality?
I'll tell you one more time, clearly you are wrong. No information that has come out in the last 6 years has changed that, yet you cannot accept reality. I'll keep telling you until you "move on".
I don't know if "getmyjive11" means anything, but after Googling it, I don't get the impression this poster Is Sara Ganim. Google and see for yourself.
Similarities exist, both are out to get Joe, both are constantly wrong, both will bend the facts to fit their agenda.
The clown is a jerk off, he claims to be a mod on 247 but he doesn't post any of this ridiculous shit there. He's been touting this same repetitious bullshit for 6 years on Piss Live with his messiah JohnJacobsDingleberrySchitt and apostle mbe/Dimaggio.
I'm not even sure I'd want my hero warshipped. Unless it means that you would name a nuclear sub after them, otherwise it sounds like some awful torpedo situation. Please don't warship civilians.
YES!!! What makes you 100% sure that that absurdity is true? How do you defend your statements based on facts??? You can't - you can only regurgitate the public illusion based on misinformation engineered to deceive over the past 6+ years.
Problem is that ALL of the Sandusky Scandal and ALL of the things on which a presumption of guilt is based are ONLY founded in speculation or in information in which an "invested" OAG has the opportunity to "manage/manipulate or invent" the core facts on which the guilt is based.
To support this campaign of misinformation - Dispute this.....
- We have had investigators (Fina) specifically state that Paterno & PSU Football did not "cover-up" anything with regards to Sandusky.
- Yet the chief source for PSU charges of a cover-up - Louie Freeh - specifically states that Paterno & PSU "covered up for Sandusky for YEARS!!!!". Yet again,his own document (Freeh Report) does not support his "findings". In fact...The Freeh report has been reported by Freeh himself NOT to be a report on an investigation, but an OPINION PAPER based on his own personal "feelings" on what could have happened.
So.... Freeh's $8.5M deception has been DIRECTLY called BY THE STATE OF PA's own Legal investigator a piece of trash and unworthy of serious consideration as it concludes that.... Paterno & PSU covered up for Sandusky for years.
What we have seen over 6+ years is a distribution by the Media - especially Washington Post & New York Times - of engineered misinformation which has all the machine marks of total fabrication - a polite term for creating LIES.
What I have pointed out numerous times in the past is that ALL of this story can only appear possible IF YOU IGNORE THE HERD OF OTHER ELEPHANTS IN THE ROOM. You must ignore mountains of factually based evidence which proves something other than what the "Sandusky Story" which the public has bought into is suspicious and therefore very likely illegal.
What are SOME of the issues that are consistently ignored.....
- the suspicious legal "results" obtained in the PA court rooms based not on law, but on emotional responses to the topic of pedophilia which the state promotes ONLY as a result of "Penn State's Criminal problem of hiding A FORMER EMPLOYEE's INDEPENDENT & PRIVATE ACTIONS -
- the established fact that MM in 2001 did not state anything like what started all this and what the state's entire case against PSU is based - the OAG Presentment Document - but in fact NO OTHER PERSON in 2001 stated in numerous independent testimonies that MM's report of what he saw was worthy of "..reporting to the police..."
- that TSM and the TSM management were advised of the 2001 incident and TOOK NO ACTION - in spite of the fact that they were the ONLY mandated reporter REQUIRED to do so in the 2007 law that "convicted" C/S/S of a single misdemeanor crime.
The list goes on and on....yet whoever is behind the REAL COVER-UP - the one that REQUIRES the PSU-Paterno FICTIONAL STORY to provide cover for what MUST be illegal actions - continue to invest time, money and influence to get the public to ignore all of these "elephants of deception". It is now positive that the suspicious conjectures that GMJ created MUST still be maintained as the crimes which require the PSU Illusions of "Guilt" are still providing public speculations and allegations WITHOUT ONE WHIT of legal evidence. These new issues only exist as "evidence" of wrong doing by Paterno or PSU if you ignore the increasing herd "elephants of deception" on which the public "Story" you and the rest of the Troll Patrol promote.
So...based upon what we know as facts...based upon unaddressed suspicious elelnts of this case ....based upon a "Story" which still requires new speculations to provide the shade necessary for a real, PA politics driven cover-up conspiracy.....it is impossible that Paterno said that to MM.
It's hard for the law and order profession to do their job in 2001 when no one reports the incident to them, eh?
When U Park police would escalate an on campus investigation, who would it go to?
- Paterno
- Curley
- Schultz
- The Dean of the College of Ag.
