Heinselman was supposed to be the future at 125 with the smaller Decatur in the mix as well but sounds like a transfer could be in the works
COACH Tom Ryan
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Calling someone at a distance a "good human being" (Romans 7:24) is as ridiculous as calling them an "idiot."
But that's beside the point.
Ryan is the kind of guy who would do amazing things to help college wrestling if he thought it would benefit him and benefit Ohio State. On the other hand, he's the kind of guy who would do utterly stupid things that would hurt college wrestling if he thought they would benefit him and benefit Ohio State.
Take dual meets. At one minute, he's going so far as to try to make dual meets the national title format. The next minute, he's ducking dual meet matches with nary a thought of how ridiculous that looks.
Ohio State, as a whole team, has struggled on bottom this year. I have no doubt that Ryan would say, "Sure, let's get rid of the official's position! Start everything from neutral like freestyle!" Because that would seem to benefit Ohio State at this moment. It would be a really stupid thing to do, but it would look smart in that moment in his head.
He comes across as a friendly but monumentally impulsive man.
And, yeah, all that mugging for the camera crap is pretty tacky-looking. And I don't get it anyway. Maybe it brings "attention" - and people in this media-saturated world are conditioned by mass media to crave attention - but as David Taylor implied, really, it put the bulls eye on Ohio State's back.
So I don't make personal judgments that are too broad, but he does publicly visible things that give me the facts to conclude he probably lacks some element of public intelligence and self-awareness.
As for whether or not I'd ever want him to coach me, I'd say no. Too high-strung for me. Personal differences. And, really, I think the better coaches are more self-controlled than Ryan comes across. Gable was more wound-up and energetic than Cael comes across (note my use of the expression "comes across" rather than "is") but even Gable was known for pioneering some sports psychology to calm very different temperaments on his team.
Most importantly, he lets J Jaggers wear those preposterous skinny pants.
But that's beside the point.
Ryan is the kind of guy who would do amazing things to help college wrestling if he thought it would benefit him and benefit Ohio State. On the other hand, he's the kind of guy who would do utterly stupid things that would hurt college wrestling if he thought they would benefit him and benefit Ohio State.
Take dual meets. At one minute, he's going so far as to try to make dual meets the national title format. The next minute, he's ducking dual meet matches with nary a thought of how ridiculous that looks.
Ohio State, as a whole team, has struggled on bottom this year. I have no doubt that Ryan would say, "Sure, let's get rid of the official's position! Start everything from neutral like freestyle!" Because that would seem to benefit Ohio State at this moment. It would be a really stupid thing to do, but it would look smart in that moment in his head.
He comes across as a friendly but monumentally impulsive man.
And, yeah, all that mugging for the camera crap is pretty tacky-looking. And I don't get it anyway. Maybe it brings "attention" - and people in this media-saturated world are conditioned by mass media to crave attention - but as David Taylor implied, really, it put the bulls eye on Ohio State's back.
So I don't make personal judgments that are too broad, but he does publicly visible things that give me the facts to conclude he probably lacks some element of public intelligence and self-awareness.
As for whether or not I'd ever want him to coach me, I'd say no. Too high-strung for me. Personal differences. And, really, I think the better coaches are more self-controlled than Ryan comes across. Gable was more wound-up and energetic than Cael comes across (note my use of the expression "comes across" rather than "is") but even Gable was known for pioneering some sports psychology to calm very different temperaments on his team.
Most importantly, he lets J Jaggers wear those preposterous skinny pants.
I’ve actually found this thread quite compelling. I’ll try to be as concise as possible.
Tom Ryan is the enemy. Ohio State is the enemy. When I make disparaging remarks, my respect for them and their program is inferred. If I didn’t think Ohio State was a legitimate threat, I wouldn’t even talk about them. Just like that school in Jersey...no, not Princeton. I’ll think of it eventually. Anyway, it’s just wrestling. I might not like his tactics, but it’s nothing to do with him as a person. There’s sport and then there’s life. I’m my time on earth, I’ve taken sport quite serious at times, but it’s never really THAT serious. Like somebody said, win, lose or draw, the sun still rose this morning, we all still go on from here.
Tom Ryan is the enemy. Ohio State is the enemy. When I make disparaging remarks, my respect for them and their program is inferred. If I didn’t think Ohio State was a legitimate threat, I wouldn’t even talk about them. Just like that school in Jersey...no, not Princeton. I’ll think of it eventually. Anyway, it’s just wrestling. I might not like his tactics, but it’s nothing to do with him as a person. There’s sport and then there’s life. I’m my time on earth, I’ve taken sport quite serious at times, but it’s never really THAT serious. Like somebody said, win, lose or draw, the sun still rose this morning, we all still go on from here.
No just speculation i saw someone bring up Shakur Laney, I don’t believe Piccininni is or will be big enough to wrestle 133 and Fix seems dead set on 125. Ohio State recruited Picc out of high school and Tom also has the Long Island connection with Nick. He wrestled with Toms son Jake at the Hauppauge kid program back in the day.
L J Bentley from Pitt isn't too bad ( 3rd at ACC....lost 1-0 to Cruz and took Louie Hayes to Overtime) and is available to wrestle immediately.
Everybody who loses to Cruz loses 1 - 0
That doesn't mean much.
Really?? Cruz finished the regular season 26-0 with 15 bonus point wins. 2 of his 26 wins were 1-0
First response is take the post for what it was meant to be, humor. A poke at a pretty good wrestler who is very comfortable wrestling to win very low scoring matches.
Since you seem to know the record, how many of those bonus wins were against top 20? How many matches in the post season did he score at least 5 points?
Last response. Gee whiz Francis. Lighten up.
Celebrate Penn State's success. Be thankful for what we have, and enjoy the accomplishments of the Penn State program. It's that simple to me, and does not involve bashing the other guy. Doesn't matter what others do, what they say, any of that.
Sorry........the "It doesn't mean much" threw me off. I'm old.....I need smiley faces
. PS: The name is Bob
PS II: I am always Lightened Up
NY,
If you hear anything more specific about this possible transfer, please hit me up via PM on LIWA.
I think you know who I am (hint: my usual handle ends in a "19")....
If you hear anything more specific about this possible transfer, please hit me up via PM on LIWA.
I think you know who I am (hint: my usual handle ends in a "19")....
I got a pretty good idea, good to hear from ya here. Yeah i got info it’s no one anyone speculated not a for sure thing either though
Great synopsis. I especially liked the reference to the other school in Jersey. I can't remember the name either.
My only problem with Ryan is his taking pot shots at PSU and any other school to try to pump up his program. When he does that he must believe he is in boxing, MMA or European Soccer.
The rest of the stuff, different styles for different people.
The only way Nickal could have topped what he said was if he added, "At Penn State we don't talk about winning big matches, we WIN big matches. "
The rest of the stuff, different styles for different people.
The only way Nickal could have topped what he said was if he added, "At Penn State we don't talk about winning big matches, we WIN big matches. "
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April Fools is coming soon. Just post that the transfer is going to be Suriano........and that he said ....Sticking it to PSU is more important than being happy in Jersey. Every Forum will explode.....breaking thread # records in less than an hour ...You are the only one who can see this....correct?
Rider University. I can't believe you guys couldn't remember that.
Seriously.....If it is true......I suspect it will be a big name transfer.......and Piccininni has ten letters.......big name
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Solid but nothing that will turn headsSeriously.....If it is true......I suspect it will be a big name transfer.......and Piccininni has ten letters.......big name
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So......Are you saying that the rumored transfer is nobody that will turn heads.....or that Piccininni is not one to turn heads? You are playing with my mind.....and you should never play with pointy objects.........and I am the poster boy for the pointy headed......but no tinfoil.........yet. Be kind
If you’re messing with me you’re doing a great job but no as far as I know Piccininni is staying put in Stillwater
The rule in my family...(granted we are all absolute nut jobs) is to mess with any / everyone if it is humorous. Thanks for being kind
.I've tried to give Ryan the benefit of the doubt, but can't any longer. He's a jerk, plain and simple. Watch his 3 interviews below where he repeatedly whines about the refs. His mantra is, if you can't win within the rules, change them.
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I have to say, Ryan's statement about Kyle Snyder's win over Coon is honestly farcical.
Quotes from a Columbus Dispatch article (Ryan in bold)
“I’ve been in this sport for 38 years,” Ohio State coach Tom Ryan said.
Appealing to expert status = gold in America, where people are conditioned to believe anything if it’s said by an “expert”
“He’s the greatest college wrestler I’ve ever seen.”
Transitioning from appeal to expert status, brilliantly uses eye-catching subjective superlative “greatest” = gold, Jerry
“Many say he’s the greatest of all time.”
“Many say” he’s not.
“No American has ever left college with three national championships, an Olympic gold medal and two world championships.”
No Kyle Snyder has ever gone 159-0.
“People got to witness one of the greats of all time.”
True.
“The challenge of a 220-pound man trying to move a 280-pound man is significant.”
Indeed, a statement proven true by the time Kyle Snyder lost to Adam Coon.
“He just finds a way to win every single time.”
(Italics mine) Except for when he doesn’t.
Quotes from a Columbus Dispatch article (Ryan in bold)
“I’ve been in this sport for 38 years,” Ohio State coach Tom Ryan said.
Appealing to expert status = gold in America, where people are conditioned to believe anything if it’s said by an “expert”
“He’s the greatest college wrestler I’ve ever seen.”
Transitioning from appeal to expert status, brilliantly uses eye-catching subjective superlative “greatest” = gold, Jerry
“Many say he’s the greatest of all time.”
“Many say” he’s not.
“No American has ever left college with three national championships, an Olympic gold medal and two world championships.”
No Kyle Snyder has ever gone 159-0.
“People got to witness one of the greats of all time.”
True.
“The challenge of a 220-pound man trying to move a 280-pound man is significant.”
Indeed, a statement proven true by the time Kyle Snyder lost to Adam Coon.
“He just finds a way to win every single time.”
(Italics mine) Except for when he doesn’t.
I have to say, Ryan's statement about Kyle Snyder's win over Coon is honestly farcical.
Quotes from a Columbus Dispatch article (Ryan in bold)
“I’ve been in this sport for 38 years,” Ohio State coach Tom Ryan said.
Appealing to expert status = gold in America, where people are conditioned to believe anything if it’s said by an “expert”
“He’s the greatest college wrestler I’ve ever seen.”
Transitioning from appeal to expert status, brilliantly uses eye-catching subjective superlative “greatest” = gold, Jerry
“Many say he’s the greatest of all time.”
“Many say” he’s not.
“No American has ever left college with three national championships, an Olympic gold medal and two world championships.”
No Kyle Snyder has ever gone 159-0.
“People got to witness one of the greats of all time.”
True.
“The challenge of a 220-pound man trying to move a 280-pound man is significant.”
Indeed, a statement proven true by the time Kyle Snyder lost to Adam Coon.
“He just finds a way to win every single time.”
(Italics mine) Except for when he doesn’t.
I'm not going to take anything away from Snyder, he is indeed great. But Ryan's comments about Cael not winning a world championship and not winning the Olympics until he was out of college is yet another reason to question just how smart Ryan really is.
Snyder's wrestling in a completely different era in terms of the ability to train freestyle year-round from wherever he wants with the benefit of online education being so prevalent now. Lot harder to do that via correspondence courses back in Cael's day, which mostly were just available for general ed courses. Today, no one blinks when hearing of students earning degrees without ever (or rarely) stepping foot on campus.
Add to that the unlimited access to watch virtually any wrestler you want from around the world to get exposure to new styles/techniques.
Again, no disrespect to Snyder at all, I just think Ryan should have stopped short of bringing Cael into the discussion, or any other wrestler like Gable or Smith. Would have been fine to say Snyder's the greatest wrestler he's even seen/ever been around and left it at that. Just more evidence of his inferiority complex when it comes to Cael and Penn State..
In regards to Ryan's comments above on Snyder's vs. Coon's weight, does anyone else feel like Kyle Snyder lost alot of weight and Coon gained as this season progressed? He dropped alot after the loss to Coon, and seemingly every interview since has seen him lose more. ESPN showed 226 vs. 283 the other night, but also at one point called Coon 300 just for some extra hyperbole. Now Ryan says 220. At this rate, DT and Cox better watch out at 86 kg for the incredible shrinking Superman.
So what if Kyle Snyder's coach believes Kyle Snyder is the greatest college wrestler he has ever seen? 4 time finalist, 3 championships, Olympic Gold Medal 2 world championships. The list of greater is very, very tiny.
So what if he brings Cael's name into it? If you are going to make a statement that you believe your wrestler is the greatest of all time, who else are you going to use as a measuring stick. Cael is the measuring stick.
HR has thread after thread about what a crazy, conniving, evil, cheating, immoral creature Cael Sanderson is, and for HR it is a really bad look.
Just saying.
So what if he brings Cael's name into it? If you are going to make a statement that you believe your wrestler is the greatest of all time, who else are you going to use as a measuring stick. Cael is the measuring stick.
HR has thread after thread about what a crazy, conniving, evil, cheating, immoral creature Cael Sanderson is, and for HR it is a really bad look.
Just saying.
Haven’t seen those interviews yet but watched a couple yesterday and something stood out as unusual. When Ryan described specific tOSU wrestlers’ moves during various matches (eg, Martin’s momentary takedown of Bo) he switched to the pronoun “we” as if he was part of the actual wrestling action. Maybe that’s just his way of not singling out a wrestler by name for criticism? But it seemed odd. Contrast this with comments Cael made in the presser after Bo’s win. A reporter kept inviting Cael to agree that he and his staff deserved some credit for the nat’l championship win, but Cael said something to the effect: “None of us coaches scored a single team point this weekend. The wrestlers did all the work and deserve all the credit.”
I have to say, Ryan's statement about Kyle Snyder's win over Coon is honestly farcical.
Quotes from a Columbus Dispatch article (Ryan in bold)
“I’ve been in this sport for 38 years,” Ohio State coach Tom Ryan said.
Appealing to expert status = gold in America, where people are conditioned to believe anything if it’s said by an “expert”
“He’s the greatest college wrestler I’ve ever seen.”
Transitioning from appeal to expert status, brilliantly uses eye-catching subjective superlative “greatest” = gold, Jerry
“Many say he’s the greatest of all time.”
“Many say” he’s not.
“No American has ever left college with three national championships, an Olympic gold medal and two world championships.”
No Kyle Snyder has ever gone 159-0.
“People got to witness one of the greats of all time.”
True.
“The challenge of a 220-pound man trying to move a 280-pound man is significant.”
Indeed, a statement proven true by the time Kyle Snyder lost to Adam Coon.
“He just finds a way to win every single time.”
(Italics mine) Except for when he doesn’t.
Don't forget the comment about Martin and the finals:
"If Myles doesn't get turned and pinned there by Bo, we are up 4-0 and most likely Myles get the outcome he wanted" -not verbatim but close
Then continued to make it seem like Myles is the better wrestler and Bo got lucky. I guess getting lucky 7 out of 9 still doesn't make you the better wrestler. #delusionalinfinity
One reason why Bo would have been down 4-0 was that he was looking to counter Martin's attack with what we saw and what happened. If Bo, bails, he is down 2-0, maybe fights off the double leg, big maybe there.
I agree with that. Heard him give a talk on life and faith-- sure impressed me.
Feel the same way about how some uninformed Iowa fans obsess over Coach Sanderson-- whom they have no knowledge of as a human being. His sin is taking away what they want from their Iowa team--which for reasons I imagine of history and personal insecurity are considered a divine right.
Few if any of us know any of the wrestlers as people.
In their way, they are part of the obsessed celebrity culture that we live in (for the most part no choice of theirs I would imagine), we obsess over them . Love them as infallible idols; turn on them when they show their humanity.
IMO, a very unattractive human trait (affiliative needs).
Living in the midst of buckeye territory I've heard the "if, but" quote nearly every time they lose. Frankly they have never lost anything, if and but always would have won. My son had an argument post a PSU football win back around 2005 if I remember correctly or maybe 2008 but OSU fumbled the ball stopping a scoring threat and that was the argument. OSU "would have won had they not fumbled" and the kid stuck to that instead of admitting they lost. The never lose, at least not in this buckeye insane state.
I believe Bo's remarks post match were from hearing incessant buckeye this and that all week and on espin. Mark Hall's loss with buckeyes cheering wildly as Bo entered the mat was a contributing factor. Bo could have toned it down a bit and Cael was likely cringing yet it came pouring out, a heel rubbing out the discarded cigarette of buckeye hopes. Bo was emotional which I think is his normal but not the PSU normal. Sometimes things come out after frustration and he let it fly after stunning manner of victory.
As to Coach Ryan's activities during the NCAA Championships the only thing I saw that was very strange was his interview while trying to coach his wrestler active on the mat at the same time. He sounded at it he had pseudo tourettes sp? syndrome at one point while shouting the same words over and over leaning away from the camera. I wondered what he was doing initially until I grasped that he was trying to coach. He should have excused himself from the interview to coach and then return to the interview. As far as him personally, I don't know the man or his history so I can't comment. His wrestlers seem to be gentlemen over all and I was very impressed with Tomasello's comments post losing his last opportunity for a gold medal at the NCAA's. Very classy.
He probably is a decent person off the mat. I don’t know him personally. Sure he loves his athletes and is all about Ohio state. But as a PSU fan I do not care for the way he acts. I am not attacking him or calling him names. Just do not like his personality, he is just a big whiner. Listen to his post tourney interview. Bring in Cael into the convo and saying Snyder is better. Giving all this credit to Myles and very little to Bo for pinning him. To me acting like Martin had it won if Bo did not pull off the big move. All his lunger timeouts for Hayes and his other guys. Remember when Bojo had Valencia gassing hard and coming on and Ryan was pissed cause Zeke gave Zahid a lunger break and Ryan was pissed? Well he does the exact same thing!! Shall we mention holding wrestlers out of big matches? What about Spencer Lee’s big statement how one school used degrading remarks about others to get him to sign with them? All Ryan cares about himself and his wrestlers. So yeah I do not care for him the way he coaches.
I will say his wrestlers tend to be 100 percent more classy than him. I have lived in Columbus since 2001 and could not agree more with the "well if we did this we win everytime" argument. Not all buckeye fans are this way but I would say 75 percent are as delusional as Vodka (just kidding, no one is that bad). A lot of band wagon fans in the city as well. They can't name more than 2 players on the team but will tell you how good they are at everything. I'm curious, where about in Ohio do you live? I live in a suburb of Columbus about 8 miles Northwest of OSU campus (Upper Arlington) so I am literally in the "heart" of it all.
As a wise man once told me, “if a toad had wings, it wouldn’t bump its ass on the ground so much”
Ryan is a smarmy combo of Carnival Barker and Televangelist. A lot of wrestling folk eat up the religious stuff - it makes me just want to check my back pocket to make sure my wallet is still there.
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