Could we have 5 Finalists?
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My bad.....you would be 0-1 in R12 (i.e., you would lose in Consi Quarters). 2.0 advancement points, not 3.0.
Assuming no pigtail (none of our guys will have a pigtail anyway, except Jimmy, possibly, if he's not seeded).
2 points, if no bonus and the guy loses in the 2nd or 3rd Round of the Championship Bracket and makes R12 before losing.
1.5 points, if no bonus and the guy loses in the 1st Round of the Championship Bracket and makes R12 before losing.
You are becoming repetitively unreasonable. A first time NCAA freshman and a former champ with chinks in his armor locks, not reasonable.
I hope he doesn't frequent the Sports Books in Vegas as his definition of "lock" is far looser than mine
Where is all this talk about 5 finalists from the Bucknuts? They wrestled in a different plane of existence to win by 9 points. That was with less matches and less stiff competition. I think Miccic has a very good chance of beating NATO. Bo has injury concerns. Despite the fact that he's beaten Bo a couple times, Martin struggles with top competition. Moore looked good, but i think he was running on pure adrenaline. I think Friday night could prove disastrous for the Tan Tommies
cm, how long does it take for you to get to the homepage it has been" receiving" on my end for minutes?
Thanks for the answers. Just concerned a gimpy 125 pounder , an uncertain 141 situation and a 197 wrestler who doesn't score bonus points, might not produce many team points unless they can make AA. The Suriano injury has created very little margin of error for the other 6 wrestlers. If you have 7 wrestlers that can score substantial points ,one of them could have a bad tournament and you still have a majority of the team producing. Hopefully 1 of the concerning weights can step up.
the sportsbook in vegas site. i tried to find out the lines an hour ago. kept spinning on my end. then i read your post and was wondering how long it took you.
edit- nevermind, the site downloaded. i'll have to look elsewhere
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Again, PSU scored 123 points last year and only 6 wrestlers AA'ed (i.e., generated significant placement points). Not sure why people keep postulating that we can't get to 130 with 7 AAs.....if Nick is actually good to go, we could pressure 150 (even higher if Jimmy wrestled out of his mind).
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I can go with the first four, and maybe VJ. Don't think Nevills will get there.
Only lock for the Bucknuts is Snyder, Tomasello and, Bo Jordan 75, Martin and Moore 50%, just in case you cared about a neutral opinion. I guess 3. Who knows, it might even be right!
First you challenge me to a fight. Then you take my avatar, now you drive the entire board insane with repeated idiotic opinions stated as fact. Trifecta. BTW if you,think that is a positive post I have a list of nice people you can talk to. ROTFLMAO at you.
How is Bo Jo a lock as a finalist? He lost to Realbuto who will likely be seeded in the bracket next to him, and if he's not, I think Hall can get him in a rematch. Moore, despite beating Pfarr this weekend, is still 1-2 against Pfarr on the season. I'm willing to give Tomasello and Snyder locks as finalists, but giving them Bo Jo and Moore? Let's at least not be heavily negative.
I find the Moore progression intriguing. Never know what you'll get with a first-timer under the bright lights, though right now, I'd place my nickel on Moore if he meets Pfarr. For all practical purposes, though, it's a dead heat imo. Really like the way the guy wrestles. Pfarr IS 2-1 against him, but the matches went; MD, win by 2, lose by 4. Moore won every scramble early at the B1G Championship, and looked great doing it. Tired late, but had it won by then. I see the young man as a 4-timer if he stays healthy.
I agree with above, NOLF and Snyder are only locks. NATO and Zain are pretty strong possibilities. BoJo and Nickal fall in the next category, I would go with Nickal having the better shot of those 2.
There are always upsets and crazy things that happen, unbelievable draws that create possibilities like last year for Nico not having to face NATO and Martin winning the title.
Penn State wrestlers with the right circumstances, draws who have a shot to the finals I think are ....
Nolf
Zain
Nickal
Cenzo
Hall
Nevills
I would put Suriano in here but I don't think he will physically finish the tournament. I have no idea what Jimmy gives us.
There are always upsets and crazy things that happen, unbelievable draws that create possibilities like last year for Nico not having to face NATO and Martin winning the title.
Penn State wrestlers with the right circumstances, draws who have a shot to the finals I think are ....
Nolf
Zain
Nickal
Cenzo
Hall
Nevills
I would put Suriano in here but I don't think he will physically finish the tournament. I have no idea what Jimmy gives us.
My bad for not clarifying...4-time AA, not champ.
Not in my DNA to EVER say any freshman can be a 4-time champ.
Yeah, depending on one's definition of 'many team points', hardly anybody scores 'many team points', without Earning AA / Reaching the Podium / Earning More Than Zero Placement Points.
It would be an interesting research project to:
- chart the team points earned by all Non-AA's since 2001, when the current scoring model was implemented
1. 0-win dudes obviously earned 0 pts, so maybe remove them
2. 1-win dudes have a max of 3pts
- R1 W
- then 0-2
- pigtails irrelevant to the max here
3. 2-win dudes have a max of 6pts
- R1 W
- R2 W
- C-ship pigtails irrelevant to the max here (Pigtail W + R1 W, then 0-2 = same)
- Consi Ws can't reach this scenario's max
4. 3-win dudes have a max of 9pts
- C-ship Pigtail W
- R1 W
- R2 W
- then 0-2
- Consi appearances can't reach this max
5. 4-win non-AA's are most rare, but their max is 11pts
- max must include
- C-ship pigtail W (3)
- R1 W (3)
- R2 L (0)
- R24 W (2.5)
- R16 W (2.5)
- R12 L (0)
How many of each do you think we'd find, regardless of Bonus?
- 2-win Non-AAs are really common, but I wonder how many scored 6 Team Points
- 3-win Non-AA's probably aren't too rare to find losing in the R12, but I'd be curious to see what their average Team Point contribution is. Can't imagine we'd find more than 1 who earned the max 9
- 4-win Non-AAs gotta be super-rare, although the search might not be too tough, if you look at "show me all R12s who had a C-ship Pigtail." But show me a 4-win AA who sent 11pts to his team, and I'll buy you 11 beers.
tl;dr version? Get yourself on the podium, or don't score 'many' team points.
Ooooh, I caught a @RoarLions1 blessing; I guess I made it through this bracketology post mistake-free.
Thanks for teaching me, brother!
Ha!! I was intrigued by your comment about 4-wins and not AA'ing. Looked backwards, and found none. Well done, grasshopper
.EDIT: ...and I didn't look backwards just for the beers, jto
, not really my thing, though I do imbibe a little with hockeygod, NoVa and a few others one night at Natties.
Moore is a lock. And Cox over Moore is no guarantee.
Moore is the real deal. He'll smoke Pfarr if Pfarr gets that far. Not only will Moore make the finals, but he will score big points along the way.
Moore is the real deal. He'll smoke Pfarr if Pfarr gets that far. Not only will Moore make the finals, but he will score big points along the way.
No doubt.....how about Moore being a mortal lock for the finals despite the fact that he has lost 3 times this year - twice to Pfarr and once to Cox. I think we might be dealing with a subjective definitional thing here.....as in the definition of "lock".
