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Dan Patrick Reporting Mutual Interest Franklin and U$C

Unless you are Bama, there are always other programs that could be more attractive. Just because JoePa stayed here forever doesn’t mean that anyone else will. I hope CJF stays, but you are kidding yourself if you think there aren’t other attractive options out there.
And USC ain’t one of them.
 
Whatever, this is so stupid. If Franklin goes he goes. I think Franklin may be a better "builder" than sustainer, he might enjoy building programs more. I like Franklin, I'd like him to be here longer, but Penn State would be a pretty appealing job and I'd like to think we could get a coach who could get "similar" results. I never wanted Franklin to leave because it was pretty obvious we weren't going to get someone better, but I think we can find someone with similar success that actually wants to be at the University.
Probably the exact same think USC, Nebraska, Texas, Miami...said...multiple times.
How's that been working out for them?
 
And USC ain’t one of them.

Why isn't it? The thing about USC is they have pretty average facilities, don't have much of a community feeling, and fairly fairweather fans. But, it's a recruiting MONSTER with the right coach. The right coach there (brings excitement to the program, gets students/fans/alums interested, wins) won't have to compete much to recruit well. USC under Carroll was the only school that could compete with Alabama (and beat them several years). As recently as 2017-2018 USC has had top five recruiting classes. It won't take much to get that program on track and in the playoffs; the right coach hire will do it.
 
Or maybe it’s all manure. How exactly is Franklin treating PSU as a second tier program?
It could be all BS but Franklin keeps it going. The media treats Penn St like a 2nd tier program because they bring Franklin up with every opening. Franklin never just shuts this down so the impression is he will at least entertain leaving.

It's not leaked that Franklin is interested but rather assumed. Franklin allows this to happen time and time again.

So either the fans are wrong about Penn St being a top tier program or the media is wrong to think the Penn St head coach should be interested in other jobs. Franklin does nothing to dissuade the media's opinion.
 
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Please give us one person with similar success because I can’t think of any that we could get.
Find someone else to go after man. I said I want Franklin long term and there is nobody obvious to me to be better. I do think plenty of coaches could go 4-5 last year l, I do think there are coaches that could win 10 regular season games here, yes.
 
In the real world, yes you can only play the leverage card so often before your employer has had enough. In the billion dollar high stakes world of college athletics, you can play that card over and over again as long as people want you.

I see this as a good thing for PSU if CJF really doesn’t want to go. This would afford him the ability to get raises for his staff to keep continuity ala Clemson, make improvements to the facilities, improve possible recruiting travel and staff. This isn’t always about him just getting a raise but instead possibly elevating a program and institution he has called “his dream job”. Maybe, just maybe, he knows what he’s doing.

Or he leaves for USC and I look like a clown. Won’t be the first time!!
This. Wasn't it also reported that one of the only reason's we were able to bring Yurcich in this year (and buyout KC) was because Yurcich was getting paid by Texas so we didn't have to cover as much money? If we want to have elite coordinators we need to be able to just pay them and not be lucky they were out of work because their old boss got fired.
 
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Probably the exact same think USC, Nebraska, Texas, Miami...said...multiple times.
How's that been working out for them?
Okay, ill cry and pound the ground if Franklin ever leaves because it hasn't worked out for teams that fired their relatively successful coaches.
 
That's...uh....good?

Um....

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The west coast guy who already said he isn’t interested in the USC job? I don’t see that as a possibility.

Did he say that? He's probably a longshot and risky to be honest; maybe Penn State would be more to his liking than USC....?
 
Why isn't it? The thing about USC is they have pretty average facilities, don't have much of a community feeling, and fairly fairweather fans. But, it's a recruiting MONSTER with the right coach. The right coach there (brings excitement to the program, gets students/fans/alums interested, wins) won't have to compete much to recruit well. USC under Carroll was the only school that could compete with Alabama (and beat them several years). As recently as 2017-2018 USC has had top five recruiting classes. It won't take much to get that program on track and in the playoffs; the right coach hire will do it.
Prior to Pete Carroll, they didn’t have a 10 win season since 1988. Then Carroll comes in and cheats his ass off then leaves. Out side of him, they’ve had 7 different coaches and a whopping 5 double digit win seasons since 1988….they’re not what they used to be. How long before we can shoot that dead horse?
 
Unless you are Bama, there are always other programs that could be more attractive. Just because JoePa stayed here forever doesn’t mean that anyone else will. I hope CJF stays, but you are kidding yourself if you think there aren’t other attractive options out there.
Calling BS on this one. Once you get to a certain level of program, you don't see coaches jump to "other attractive options."
 
I doubt if anything substantial happens until near the end of the season. USC probably hasn't even put together their search committee yet. They'll go with the interim until then.
 
It could be all BS but Franklin keeps it going. The media treats Penn St like a 2nd tier program because they bring Franklin up with every opening. Franklin never just shuts this down so the impression is he will at least entertain leaving.

It's not leaked that Franklin is interested but rather assumed. Franklin allows this to happen time and time again.

So either the fans are wrong about Penn St being a top tier program or the media is wrong to think the Penn St head coach should be interested in other jobs. Franklin does nothing to dissuade the media's opinion.
The bigger question is why does his name get brought up in the first place? Saban, Dabo, Day and many others don’t get brought up, so they don’t have to deal with shutting it down. Obviously it’s the media that don’t think PSU is a destination job and it’s not Franklin’s job to convince them it is. If he shoots this one down, his name will be brought up again if LSU fires Ed.
 
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Just heard this. He said his source is the same who sniffed out the B10 was cancelling the season last Aug. So a reliable source for him. Have no idea why Franklin would let this leak at this point 3 days before a huge game. May not have merit. Also could be true but does not mean anything. Just annoying that this is out there now.

Also DP now questioning his "Leadership Council" response to the rumors. What does that mean?

Weird quote from Clifford on this

 
Find someone else to go after man. I said I want Franklin long term and there is nobody obvious to me to be better. I do think plenty of coaches could go 4-5 last year l, I do think there are coaches that could win 10 regular season games here, yes.
So you got no one, that’s what I thought. It’s not like winning 10 games a year is easy.
 
No one knows if the USC thing is serious this time, but Franklin has been down this path before:

Penn State

Report: James Franklin has talked to Florida State about Seminoles’ head coaching job​

The Seminoles are looking for a replacement for Willie Taggert, who was fired on Nov. 3. Minnesota's P.J. Fleck is also considered to be a candidate.
Penn State head coach James Franklin has been linked with the Florida State job, and the interest appears mutual.

Penn State head coach James Franklin has been linked with the Florida State job, and the interest appears mutual.JOSE F. MORENO / MCT
Penn State’s James Franklin is being considered as one of the main targets of Florida State in its search for a head coach, according to a report Wednesday in the Orlando Sentinel.
Florida State has communicated with Franklin, and there is “mutual interest between the two parties,” according to the report.
The Seminoles are looking for a replacement for former head coach Willie Taggert, who was fired on Nov. 3.
Other reported candidates for the FSU job are coaches Matt Campbell of Iowa State, P.J. Fleck of Minnesota, and Mike Norvell of Memphis.
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Franklin also has attracted interest from Southern California, which reportedly is deciding whether to keep head coach Clay Helton.
Franklin’s most recent comment on being mentioned for other jobs was at his weekly news conference on Nov. 5, after another story about interest from USC.
“Whenever anything comes up, we try to address it, make sure everybody kind of understands where we’re at with everything, with coaches, with players, with recruits, with all of it," he said. “But we love it here. Really enjoy coaching these guys and don’t really see that changing any time soon.”
Franklin is making $5.65 million this year under a contract extension he signed in 2017 that runs through 2022. He has a $1 million buyout.
Penn State said it did not have a comment on the FSU report.
Published
Nov. 27, 2019


I'd be more worried if other schools with vacancies didn't want our coach. That's the spin I'd use.
It's a big pitch at Pitt......our coach isn't going anywhere.....LOL
 
Did he say that? He's probably a longshot and risky to be honest; maybe Penn State would be more to his liking than USC....?
According to Cowherd, he did say he wasn’t interested. He did say he went to Washington because he’s a west coast guy.
 
Prior to Pete Carroll, they didn’t have a 10 win season since 1988. Then Carroll comes in and cheats his ass off then leaves. Out side of him, they’ve had 7 different coaches and a whopping 5 double digit win seasons since 1988….they’re not what they used to be. How long before we can shoot that dead horse?

Carroll won a Super Bowl too; he's a good/great coach. The 10 years prior to Saban being hired at Bama they had three coaches with three 10 win seasons and five losing seasons. This after Stallings was ran out of town for cheating. So, horse is alive and well in Southern Cal - you can keep your blinders on if you wish though.
 
Carroll won a Super Bowl too; he's a good/great coach. The 10 years prior to Saban being hired at Bama they had three coaches with three 10 win seasons and five losing seasons. This after Stallings was ran out of town for cheating. So, horse is alive and well in Southern Cal - you can keep your blinders on if you wish though.
Honestly though, how stable is the PAC 12 right now compared to the B1G? I know they all made the wink and nod pact a couple of weeks ago but come next year the PAC 12 might not even exist. Then what?
 
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The bigger question is why does his name get brought up in the first place? Saban, Dabo, Day and many others don’t get brought up, so they don’t have to deal with shutting it down. Obviously it’s the media that don’t think PSU is a destination job and it’s not Franklin’s job to convince them it is. If he shoots this one down, his name will be brought up again if LSU fires Ed.
While the card carrying members of the BWI CAC would be horrified to admit it.....those outside of Vandy and PSU view CJF as a builder of programs who quickly brought one (Vandy) to an unprecedented level of success and restored another program wracked by scandal to top 10 finishes and major bowl invitations. So his name will always be thrown around. Saban obviously isn't going anywhere, nor is Dabo until Saban retires and Day (sorry, his value as a HC is TBD). Day was handed a Mercedes and he has done a good job of keeping it on course....could he start from scratch?
 
Honestly though, how stable is the PAC 12 right now compared to the B1G? I know they all made the wink and nod pact a couple of weeks ago but come next year the PAC 12 might not even exist. Then what?

USC won't have to worry - they'll be fine whatever happens. Oregon is probably safe too. The network money may not be as good in the Pac 12, but their athletics programs are unrivaled as a whole. Stanford, UCLA, and USC each have over 100 NCAA National Championships - the next closest is Oklahoma State with 52 (remarkable note - all 52 NCAA Championships Oklahoma State has are in men's sports). By comparison, Penn State has 51 (and is best in the B1G).
 
Carroll won a Super Bowl too; he's a good/great coach. The 10 years prior to Saban being hired at Bama they had three coaches with three 10 win seasons and five losing seasons. This after Stallings was ran out of town for cheating. So, horse is alive and well in Southern Cal - you can keep your blinders on if you wish though.
Three coaches is different than seven. Obviously there’s something going on at USC that keeps them from getting back to where Carroll had them. And even before ‘88 they didn’t have a 10 win season since 1979…so six 10 win seasons in 41 years except when they cheated. The horse has been dead a long time.
 
Do you usually act like that when facts are brought to your drama queen party? :rolleyes:
Hahhahah, my drama queen party????? I said I want Franklin to stay but if he leaves the program will be alright and I'm the dramatic one?

Would it less dramatic to cry if he left?
 
Three coaches is different than seven. Obviously there’s something going on at USC that keeps them from getting back to where Carroll had them. And even before ‘88 they didn’t have a 10 win season since 1979…so six 10 win seasons in 41 years except when they cheated. The horse has been dead a long time.

You don’t recruit top five classes with a dead program. USC did that in back to back years less than five years ago. How many times has Franklin done it with the thoroughbred that is PSU?
 
It could be all BS but Franklin keeps it going. The media treats Penn St like a 2nd tier program because they bring Franklin up with every opening. Franklin never just shuts this down so the impression is he will at least entertain leaving.

It's not leaked that Franklin is interested but rather assumed. Franklin allows this to happen time and time again.

So either the fans are wrong about Penn St being a top tier program or the media is wrong to think the Penn St head coach should be interested in other jobs. Franklin does nothing to dissuade the media's opinion.

There is absolutely nothing Franklin can do to shut this down. If he came out and said; I am absolutely not interested in the USC job, the talking heads would immediately pivot to calling it coach speak and point to Saban's denial of being interested in the Alabama job. They'd then wax on about how you can't be that emphatic about a denial without at least listening to the offer... and on and on blah blah blah

Look at FSU. Franklin says he's not interested in the FSU job. Dickheads like Jones write stories with words like "James Franklin has been linked with the FSU job and the interest appears mutual" Rumors are swirling that James Franklin met with officials from FSU. Franklin says he never met with officials from FSU.

These guys are going to write what they want. Best bet for Franklin is to ignore it publicly and address it privately with the team. **** all the sports writers and message board experts. The only thing they want is attention.
 
So you got no one, that’s what I thought. It’s not like winning 10 games a year is easy.

Oh my God, unbelievable. The program will crumble if Franklin left.....no coach in the country could possible rival Franklin's record at the school....happy?
 
You don’t recruit top five classes with a dead program. USC did that in back to back years less than five years ago. How many times has Franklin done it with the thoroughbred that is PSU?
Obviously recruiting isn’t enough. Bottom line, the “blue blood” moniker for this program is based on ghosts of the past.
 
Why isn't it? The thing about USC is they have pretty average facilities, don't have much of a community feeling, and fairly fairweather fans. But, it's a recruiting MONSTER with the right coach. The right coach there (brings excitement to the program, gets students/fans/alums interested, wins) won't have to compete much to recruit well. USC under Carroll was the only school that could compete with Alabama (and beat them several years). As recently as 2017-2018 USC has had top five recruiting classes. It won't take much to get that program on track and in the playoffs; the right coach hire will do it.
The "right" HC will get any program going...assuming they get the right guy this time (they're only one out of eight...Carroll... in the last forty years), who will much notice or give a rat's ass in a region as dominated by pro sports as LA?. Per the locals, they have to hire Hollywood strap hangers occasionally to field a band.
 
Oh my God, unbelievable. The program will crumble if Franklin left.....no coach in the country could possible rival Franklin's record at the school....happy?
It might not crumble, or it might…hello Miami, Nebraska, FSU. Bottom line is thinking we can just plug in another James Franklin easily is way off base.
 
Oh my God, unbelievable. The program will crumble if Franklin left.....no coach in the country could possible rival Franklin's record at the school....happy?
No one is saying the program will crumble that's nonsense. Almost as nonsensical as pretending that a Coach of Franklin's quality can easily be replaced.
 
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