Davey Jones and Bob Flounders very critical

[ALion4Life]

of the 4 back rotation and mismanaged offense... Says CJF is being stubborn !



I don't normally pay much attention to this quack job but he reiterates a lot of the whining posted on this board today.

 

[CF LION]

It’s a night game. He’s inside in a press box. Why is that dork wearing a sun visor?

 

[MaconNitt]

...and this is surprising and noteworthy

I do agree about the whining posted on this board

 

[MJG-90]

I didn’t get to Flounders speaking and decided I can’t watch. If these two know so much about coaching, why aren’t they making millions doing it? I don’t always agree with coaching decisions, but I also realize I don’t have all the data that goes into each decision. These two jokers always act so smug as if they know everything.

 

[marshall23]

I can't think of any more studied, revered or respected authorities on coaching football than Jones and Flounders.

 

[NJPSU]

I didn’t get to Flounders speaking and decided I can’t watch. If these two know so much about coaching, why aren’t they making millions doing it? I don’t always agree with coaching decisions, but I also realize I don’t have all the data that goes into each decision. These two jokers always act so smug as if they know everything.

Dave is still struggling emotionally over his nephews poor performance against PSU. Poor guy needs more time to heal.

 

[MaconNitt]

I can't think of any more studied, revered or respected authorities on coaching football than Jones and Flounders.

at least they learned not to do this postgame shit show from field level vs the roaring tractor

 

[91Joe95]

of the 4 back rotation and mismanaged offense... Says CJF is being stubborn !

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I don't normally pay much attention to this quack job but he reiterates a lot of the whining posted on this board today.

That's because they follow this board.

 

[psu7113]

of the 4 back rotation and mismanaged offense... Says CJF is being stubborn !

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I don't normally pay much attention to this quack job but he reiterates a lot of the whining posted on this board today.

That picture of those two douchebags says it all, without evening listening to anything they have to say.

 

[NJPSU]

I literally couldn’t make it past the 15 second mark.

 

[SUPERTODD]

Flounders is actually pretty good on the Keystone Sports Network podcast. It’s a shame Jones is such a gigantic douche and seems to have an affect on Flounders. PSU fans should not spend one dime on anything produced by Penn Live while Jones works there.

 

[marshall23]

That picture of those two douchebags says it all, without evening listening to anything they have to say.

There are homeless guys that are better groomed.

 

[NJPSU]

Flounders is actually pretty good on the Keystone Sports Network podcast. It’s a shame Jones is such a gigantic douche and seems to have an affect on Flounders. PSU fans should not spend one dime on anything produced by Penn Live while Jones works there.

Agree. I like Flounders on that podcast but I feel when you put him with Jones he feels like he has to mimic his personality.

 

[RussianEagle]

Please remember that David Jones is the guy who claimed he heard a “graphic account” of the McQueary shower incident in August 2010, which was at least 3 months before McQueary even came forward. He then immediately lied to Scott Paterno and claimed Joe “covered it up”. That caused Scott to panic and allowed the prosecution to manipulate the aging Joe into believing McQueary had told him about a sexual incident.

David Jones is a major reason for the whole “Penn State Scandal” Screw that guy!

 

[demlion]

They are both morons. Unwatchable. Jones works for a 3-days a week newspaper.

Both of them seem to think their personal eyetest is more telling than the F***king score.

 

[Cincinnati Kid]

Flounders is actually pretty good on the Keystone Sports Network podcast. It’s a shame Jones is such a gigantic douche and seems to have an affect on Flounders. PSU fans should not spend one dime on anything produced by Penn Live while Jones works there.

Didn’t Jones predict a 5-7 season?

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

I'm not going to listen to these guys, but the fact that each running back brings something a little different to the table (per Franklin), and yet are merely rotated by series, suggests that a certain amount of criticism is warranted.

For example, I struggle to understand why Cain would not be in the game when we are in the red zone. There is less room there, and he is going to be a little better than the others. I'd want brown or Ford in the game mid-field. Not sure how I'd use Slade. He can catch but hasn't shown he can pick up the blitz, so the obvious passing down isn't necessarily a good fit.

 

[SUPERTODD]

Didn’t Jones predict a 5-7 season?

If a douche predicts in a forest and no one hears does the douche really exist?

 

[Tom McAndrew]

 

[83wuzme]

I would agree that the running back rotation is not working out. Maybe four guys is one too many for this sort of system. Just my uninformed opinion, but when guys play so little, they don’t learn and develop as they should. One area where this showed up was pass protection with blitz pickup’s.

 

[tlbakernc]

4 back rotation is the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen in college football. I don’t have a clue what Franklin it’s thinking. The 4 back approach will cost PSU a game or 2 before season is over.

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

I can't think of any more studied, revered or respected authorities on coaching football than Jones and Flounders.

Sarcasm noted, but doesn’t mean he isn’t right.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

4 back rotation is the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen in college football. I don’t have a clue what Franklin it’s thinking. The 4 back approach will cost PSU a game or 2 before season is over.

It is almost, but not quite, as bad as the time we rotated between Rob Bolden and Matt McGloin.

 

[marshall23]

Please remember that David Jones is the guy who claimed he heard a “graphic account” of the McQueary shower incident in August 2010, which was at least 3 months before McQueary even claimed forward. He then immediately lied to Scott Paterno and claimed Joe “covered it up”. That caused Scott to panic and allowed the prosecution to manipulate the aging Joe into believing McQueary had told him about a sexual incident.

David Jones is a major reason for the whole “Penn State Scandal” Screw that guy!

Wasn't Jones a lunch time basketball buddy with a certain prosecutor?

 

[jimarnp]

Pretty sure the reason he sticks to 4 is to show the “ high end “ backs we are recruiting , that he is a man of his word, and they will play.......as well as to to keep half the talent from entering the portal ( bad optics for recruiting). —As long as Penn State wins, he can play 10 RB’s if he chooses, as the criticism is effectively irrelevant. —If we’re playing for a B1G championship, or are in the playoffs..... he will ride the best horse

 

[emertmakeshiteup]

4 back rotation is the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen in college football. I don’t have a clue what Franklin it’s thinking. The 4 back approach will cost PSU a game or 2 before season is over.

Not quite, however, 4th and a yard and QB not under...well you know, but that issue might!

 

[psugisher]

Pretty sure the reason he sticks to 4 is to show the “ high end “ backs we are recruiting , that he is a man of his word, and they will play.......as well as to to keep half the talent from entering the portal ( bad optics for recruiting). —As long as Penn State wins, he can play 10 RB’s if he chooses, as the criticism is effectively irrelevant. —If we’re playing for a B1G championship, or are in the playoffs..... he will ride the best horse

That's all well and good but I'd want to keep my best back from entering the transfer portal no matter what.. Noah Cain looks like the best back and he got 5 carries vs Michigan. If I'm a stud high school running back, I not only want to play.. I want to be the man. I really hope the reason is strategic and not anything to do with recruiting. Barkley getting a ton of touches and being a superstar was excellent for recruiting. 4 backs being unproductive will never be good for recruiting.

 

[denniskembala]

Ask Jones about him and Flounder shiting and pissing themselves in public after they slurred Joe and Casey.

 

[GregInPitt]

4 back rotation is the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen in college football. I don’t have a clue what Franklin it’s thinking. The 4 back approach will cost PSU a game or 2 before season is over.

What he's thinking is that they are all pretty talented and he wants them all to play so that none are pouting and none of them transfer. I just don't believe he can do it if Cain has another big game. Cain didn't have a chance against UM with only 5 carries.

My opinion is that if JB or Ford would have had the Red Sea part like it did for Slade either would have split the two defenders and scored. As it is Slade maybe regained some splash in the eyes of the coaches and team and we may be no closer to CJF cutting down the rotation than we were against Idaho. Slade was the 4 best performer before the UM game, and I still believe he is. He's just not real fast, does not make anyone miss, and runs too much East and West. I also believe Ford would be a great 3rd back in a 3 RB rotation with Slade out of it and Cain and JB getting most of the carries. Ford can't expect a lot of carries as a true freshman anyway.

Looks like a mess to me at this point. With 2 more talented backs coming in for 2020 I just don't see any way CJF can keep all of the current 4 happy and it will only get worse in 2020. CJF needs to win games but right now his loyalty to all his players, the 4 RB's, is getting in the way of this offense developing the continuity that will be needed to win games going forward ......

 

[HazletonLion]

4 back rotation is the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen in college football. I don’t have a clue what Franklin it’s thinking. The 4 back approach will cost PSU a game or 2 before season is over.

Seems to work for Georgia , and i don't hear any complaining from their fans about that.

 

[Media Fan]

I didn’t listen, but imo the offense turned too conservative ex bombs away to Hamler, and 4 backs plus a running QB is a large number.
And Mich made a feast off of crossing routes that we had trouble covering and really dominated the 2nd half less a drop on an easy coach that prevented ot. Don’t know how many of those good fortunes a team gets, but that sure was one.

 

[Option Bob]

CJF needs to win games but right now his loyalty to all his players, the 4 RB's, is getting in the way of that......

Since Penn State has won all 7 games so far, can you elaborate on how the use of 4 RBs is “getting in the way” of winning?

 

[canuckhal]

Pretty sure the reason he sticks to 4 is to show the “ high end “ backs we are recruiting , that he is a man of his word, and they will play.......as well as to to keep half the talent from entering the portal ( bad optics for recruiting). —As long as Penn State wins, he can play 10 RB’s if he chooses, as the criticism is effectively irrelevant. —If we’re playing for a B1G championship, or are in the playoffs..... he will ride the best horse

Then why isn't he rotating the freshman QBs in as well along with Levis? I mean logical that one or more may enter portal with Clifford the starter for two more years.

I don't have an answer as to the whole rotation thing, but I can't imagine a coach would put the team at risk for the sake of a RB entering the portal, esp. when he has 4 and 2 more on the way.

 

[canuckhal]

I didn’t listen, but imo the offense turned too conservative ex bombs away to Hamler, and 4 backs plus a running QB is a large number.
And Mich made a feast off of crossing routes that we had trouble covering and really dominated the 2nd half less a drop on an easy coach that prevented ot. Don’t know how many of those good fortunes a team gets, but that sure was one.

If Clifford just had a little more air under one, George or Dotson (I can't remember which) would have had another touchdown making the 4th quarter moot.

The crossing routes only worked b/c Patterson had time to throw. When he didn't, he wasn't nearly as accurate. He seemed to have more time to throw after hitting the quick outs on one TD drive, which seemed to back off the pass rush.

 

[83wuzme]

I didn’t listen, but imo the offense turned too conservative ex bombs away to Hamler, and 4 backs plus a running QB is a large number.
And Mich made a feast off of crossing routes that we had trouble covering and really dominated the 2nd half less a drop on an easy coach that prevented ot. Don’t know how many of those good fortunes a team gets, but that sure was one.

Pry was too aggressive much of the time. We blitzed somebody almost every down and the middle of the field was usually wide open for Michigan.
It is hard to complain when you beat a ranked team, but I have watched Michigan this season and this is the best their QB has played.

 

[LionDeNittany]

of the 4 back rotation and mismanaged offense... Says CJF is being stubborn !

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I don't normally pay much attention to this quack job but he reiterates a lot of the whining posted on this board today.

I disagree with the idea that not playing Cain was the issue.

The issue was the run was there the whole game yet we never tried it... with ANY back.

LdN

 

[PSUNATTY2020]

You disagree?

of the 4 back rotation and mismanaged offense... Says CJF is being stubborn !

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I don't normally pay much attention to this quack job but he reiterates a lot of the whining posted on this board today.

 

[SUPERTODD]

Pry was too aggressive much of the time. We blitzed somebody almost every down and the middle of the field was usually wide open for Michigan.
It is hard to complain when you beat a ranked team, but I have watched Michigan this season and this is the best their QB has played.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Michigan made an adjustment and started to throw quick outs, screens etc. Pry got conservative. When he was blitzing in the first half Patterson couldn’t handle it. Gattis made a good adjustment and Pry had no counter. He better think up something quickly. Michigan State is going to be utilizing the same strategy.

 

[GregInPitt]

Since Penn State has won all 7 games so far, can you elaborate on how the use of 4 RBs is “getting in the way” of winning?

Most here agree that the PSU offense would get better results with a narrowing of the PT for the RB's. Yes, PSU has won every game. I edited my post to clarify my belief that the continued use of a 4 back rotation will cost this team a chance for a win going forward. Do you believe PSU can beat oh-high-ya utilizing the strict RB rotation that CJF has used so far?

I commend CJF for his desire to maintain team chemistry and give all of his talented RB's a chance to help the team, and the balancing act has not cost the team a game to date. But after 7 games I believe to reach a more consistent higher level performance on offense the rotation needs to be narrowed. But it would not surprise me at all if CJF continues to rotate his RB's as he has so far.......

 

[91Joe95]

I think some of the rb's should be moved to linebacker. There, I said it.