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Early Rose Bowl money being bet big-time on Utah

The game opened dead even at DraftKings...and now Utah is a 2.5-point favorite.

Pretty major move in the space of a week.

Gosh, it would be nice for us to make a statement in this game.
PSU/Franklin doesn't need another bowl loss. All we'll hear is that PSU was 0-3 against ranked teams.

Utah is a tough opponent. PSU's passing game lacks a deep threat and missing Washington makes it worse. Somebody is going to have to step up. The good news is that we will have had a month to prepare.
 
PSU/Franklin doesn't need another bowl loss. All we'll hear is that PSU was 0-3 against ranked teams.

Utah is a tough opponent. PSU's passing game lacks a deep threat and missing Washington makes it worse. Somebody is going to have to step up. The good news is that we will have had a month to prepare.
The defense needs to step up. A great defensive effort and this is a PSU win, and yes, it can be done without jpj.
 
This is the least surprising event of bowl season. Look at the comps. USC's offense is very similar to ours. The big difference is MY was forced to resort to 12 personnel vs. his (and Franklin's much preferred 11) which strongly indicated the current crop of receivers are busts. Talent wise, USC is better to a man with the exception of running back where they are generally equal. Sean Clifford is a poor man's Caleb Williams, especially as a runner. Clifford is not the runner he was in 2019. Based on what we have seen, he is slightly ahead of Williams post 1st half injury. Offensively, we appear to be a pretty bad mismatch.

Defensively, we'll see but Michigan State and Michigan being the closest comp but neither are as good of a comp as USC is for our offense. Utah plays man ball (which we should), much like Michigan, Michigan State and Wisconsin. Teams we have struggled with the last two years. Utah's blocking isn't as dynamic as Michigan's. When our undersized linemen weren't getting thrown around by bigger stronger players, they were struggling to adjust to moving gaps with Michigan pulling and sliding linemen on most plays. Up front, this is a poor matchup for the Defense. Backend it is better, even with Porter out.

As far as intangibles, Kyle Wittingham doesn't get outcoached very often. His teams play hard and he doesn't recruit me first players so their likely won't be many, if any holdouts. Their QB is tough as nails like Clifford. Overall, I was surprised to see the line was close to even. I expected Utah to be at least a TD favorite. They also hit the big metrics that indicate a likely Penn State loss.

We can beat them if we show up motivated, ready to play and make few mistakes on the field or on the sideline. If we don't, we lose, probably badly.
 
PSU/Franklin doesn't need another bowl loss. All we'll hear is that PSU was 0-3 against ranked teams.

Utah is a tough opponent. PSU's passing game lacks a deep threat and missing Washington makes it worse. Somebody is going to have to step up. The good news is that we will have had a month to prepare.

The game opened dead even at DraftKings...and now Utah is a 2.5-point favorite.

Pretty major move in the space of a week.

Gosh, it would be nice for us to make a statement in this game.
A -2.5 spread at this point in Vegas is no big deal for what many perceive as a home game for Utah. Let's see whose fan base shows up... if any.
 
The game opened dead even at DraftKings...and now Utah is a 2.5-point favorite.

Pretty major move in the space of a week.

Gosh, it would be nice for us to make a statement in this game.
Utah favored by 3 now.
 
This would be an impressive win for Penn State if they can pull it off. The matchup is not good for us, but it is a winnable game if we can execute well and stay focused.

I really want to see Penn State manage the clock well. The program has been sloppy about that for years. Things as simple as snapping the ball with 10+ seconds left on the play clock while nursing a second-half lead need to stop if this team wants to be “elite”.
 
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I'll be curious to see if this bowl practice period results in any of the young WRs taking that next step. More than any other question that may be a key part of the 2023 story. That and how does the dline fair without PJ? But we probably won't get many hints there until next year.

As far as winning this game, a healthy Fashanu may be a big factor if he's ready to go. I can see him at LT and Shelton with another month of development at RT making for some really solid line play which is going to be extremely important against Utah. And if our run game can continue it's improvement that will open up alot in our passing game that's been missing Parker.

Defensively, I don't see JP Jr being irreplaceable or even that big of a drop-off. We have some great CBs that have proven to be ready.

Coaching-wise, I hope the defense works on recognizing the screens because I think Utah will employ them to try to counter Manny's attacking style. I'm guessing Utah may try to load the box on our offense to dare our young WRs to come through.
 
I'll be curious to see if this bowl practice period results in any of the young WRs taking that next step. More than any other question that may be a key part of the 2023 story. That and how does the dline fair without PJ? But we probably won't get many hints there until next year.

As far as winning this game, a healthy Fashanu may be a big factor if he's ready to go. I can see him at LT and Shelton with another month of development at RT making for some really solid line play which is going to be extremely important against Utah. And if our run game can continue it's improvement that will open up alot in our passing game that's been missing Parker.

Defensively, I don't see JP Jr being irreplaceable or even that big of a drop-off. We have some great CBs that have proven to be ready.

Coaching-wise, I hope the defense works on recognizing the screens because I think Utah will employ them to try to counter Manny's attacking style. I'm guessing Utah may try to load the box on our offense to dare our young WRs to come through.
Our running game has certainly improved but I still think we have to throw to open up the run. Running Singleton between the tackles isn't going to get it done.
 
I'll be curious to see if this bowl practice period results in any of the young WRs taking that next step. More than any other question that may be a key part of the 2023 story. That and how does the dline fair without PJ? But we probably won't get many hints there until next year.

As far as winning this game, a healthy Fashanu may be a big factor if he's ready to go. I can see him at LT and Shelton with another month of development at RT making for some really solid line play which is going to be extremely important against Utah. And if our run game can continue it's improvement that will open up alot in our passing game that's been missing Parker.

Defensively, I don't see JP Jr being irreplaceable or even that big of a drop-off. We have some great CBs that have proven to be ready.

Coaching-wise, I hope the defense works on recognizing the screens because I think Utah will employ them to try to counter Manny's attacking style. I'm guessing Utah may try to load the box on our offense to dare our young WRs to come through.
Based on defensive performance last year after PJ's loss, it is clear he is replaceable. I not terribly worried there. What concerns me is our size strength issues up front on the edge. They are still there despite being a major factor in one game due to the softer than expected schedule. Utah is going to emulate the offensive approach Michigan used and has the personnel to do it, mostly. Michigan's approach mirrored what BYU (and a few others) did when Diaz was at Texas and it got him fired. Both used a dynamic man blocking scheme effectively neutralizing Diaz's pressure concepts blowing open massive holes in the process. He still hasn't figured out how to fully deal with this approach as evidenced by our struggles against Michigan State.
 
Our running game has certainly improved but I still think we have to throw to open up the run. Running Singleton between the tackles isn't going to get it done.
Good point, and we probably want to avoid Singleton running up the middle given how physical Utah is, he will very likely put the ball on the ground.
 
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Based on defensive performance last year after PJ's loss, it is clear he is replaceable. I not terribly worried there. What concerns me is our size strength issues up front on the edge. They are still there despite being a major factor in one game due to the softer than expected schedule. Utah is going to emulate the offensive approach Michigan used and has the personnel to do it, mostly. Michigan's approach mirrored what BYU (and a few others) did when Diaz was at Texas and it got him fired. Both used a dynamic man blocking scheme effectively neutralizing Diaz's pressure concepts blowing open massive holes in the process. He still hasn't figured out how to fully deal with this approach as evidenced by our struggles against Michigan State.
First of all, Utah doesn't have the same level of personnel that Michigan has. If they did, they'd easily be undefeated in that conference. And we didn't struggle on defense vs. Michigan State. They had 25 yards rushing.
 
This would be an impressive win for Penn State if they can pull it off. The matchup is not good for us, but it is a winnable game if we can execute well and stay focused.

I really want to see Penn State manage the clock well. The program has been sloppy about that for years. Things as simple as snapping the ball with 10+ seconds left on the play clock while nursing a second-half lead need to stop if this team wants to be “elite”.

Definitely agree: it's a winnable game, a good challenge, and an excellent measuring stick for how good we really are...and could be next season.

Utah is the fashionable pick, but I don't buy it. If we bring our A-game, I think we win. But anything less than our A-game won't get it done.

That said, no question, the Utes are tough and the most B1G-like team in a conference not known for defense or physicality. I'm really looking forward to the matchup. I think it's the best of the non-playoff bowls.
 
This is the least surprising event of bowl season. Look at the comps. USC's offense is very similar to ours. The big difference is MY was forced to resort to 12 personnel vs. his (and Franklin's much preferred 11) which strongly indicated the current crop of receivers are busts. Talent wise, USC is better to a man with the exception of running back where they are generally equal. Sean Clifford is a poor man's Caleb Williams, especially as a runner. Clifford is not the runner he was in 2019. Based on what we have seen, he is slightly ahead of Williams post 1st half injury. Offensively, we appear to be a pretty bad mismatch.

Defensively, we'll see but Michigan State and Michigan being the closest comp but neither are as good of a comp as USC is for our offense. Utah plays man ball (which we should), much like Michigan, Michigan State and Wisconsin. Teams we have struggled with the last two years. Utah's blocking isn't as dynamic as Michigan's. When our undersized linemen weren't getting thrown around by bigger stronger players, they were struggling to adjust to moving gaps with Michigan pulling and sliding linemen on most plays. Up front, this is a poor matchup for the Defense. Backend it is better, even with Porter out.

As far as intangibles, Kyle Wittingham doesn't get outcoached very often. His teams play hard and he doesn't recruit me first players so their likely won't be many, if any holdouts. Their QB is tough as nails like Clifford. Overall, I was surprised to see the line was close to even. I expected Utah to be at least a TD favorite. They also hit the big metrics that indicate a likely Penn State loss.

We can beat them if we show up motivated, ready to play and make few mistakes on the field or on the sideline. If we don't, we lose, probably badly.
Boy, where to start here? PSU is 2-1 vs the teams you have mentioned as being close to Utah in their last 3 meetings. USC RB Jones is as good as Singleton and Allen? I guess we watch a little differently. I like their coach, but Wittingham has 7 losses in the last two years. If he doesn't get outcoached, I guess they played 7 teams better than them. No doubt this could be a tough game, but of course you would predict a loss. The good news is your track record is not so good this year.
 
The game opened dead even at DraftKings...and now Utah is a 2.5-point favorite.

Pretty major move in the space of a week.

Gosh, it would be nice for us to make a statement in this game.
Without getting into X's and O's, PSU can win if the offense can get it going early. OTOH, if they fumble-futz around for most of the 1st half...as they tend to do...it'll be yet another loss in a marquee game.
 
First of all, Utah doesn't have the same level of personnel that Michigan has. If they did, they'd easily be undefeated in that conference. And we didn't struggle on defense vs. Michigan State. They had 25 yards rushing.
See, I never said they had the same level, just that they have similar personnel, and they do. But, the PAC-12 is far deeper than the Big Ten this year. And yes, we struggled with Michigan State despite them missing three offensive linemen.
 
Boy, where to start here? PSU is 2-1 vs the teams you have mentioned as being close to Utah in their last 3 meetings. USC RB Jones is as good as Singleton and Allen? I guess we watch a little differently. I like their coach, but Wittingham has 7 losses in the last two years. If he doesn't get outcoached, I guess they played 7 teams better than them. No doubt this could be a tough game, but of course you would predict a loss. The good news is your track record is not so good this year.
Actually, my track record is pretty good. When I pick a game, I pick it based on opponents. Franklin's track record is beyond abysmal against teams with a specific profile. Going into the season, pretty much everyone expected to play 5 games against teams with a specific profile which is why I picked 7 and 5 or 8 and 4. It is all data. When analyzing the season, three teams seriously underperformed all expectations and we ended up playing two, not five. I am not telling you the secret formula because it is all math and you probably wouldn't understand it, but I will say Franklin is batting less than .100 in these games during the regular season. We were 0 and 4 last year, 0 and 2 this year. As predicted, we lost another uncompetitive game to Michigan and in very predictable form for the exact reasons I said, got blown in the fourth quarter against Ohio State. I may have missed a couple of games but the fact remains we played a pathetically weak schedule.
 
Agree with Breen. Very few picked PSU to go 10-2… they beat nobodies and lost the two big games they had. Franklion is terrible vs. T10 ranked opponents especially after a layoff and Utah is not a good matchup to begin with. Hoping the trend changes one of these days but right now “it is what it is”!
 
Agree with Breen. Very few picked PSU to go 10-2… they beat nobodies and lost the two big games they had. Franklion is terrible vs. T10 ranked opponents especially after a layoff and Utah is not a good matchup to begin with. Hoping the trend changes one of these days but right now “it is what it is”!
Penn State is doomed. No sense even showing up
 
See, I never said they had the same level, just that they have similar personnel, and they do. But, the PAC-12 is far deeper than the Big Ten this year. And yes, we struggled with Michigan State despite them missing three offensive linemen.
Deeper, yes their bottom is better than our bottom. The Big Ten has two teams in the playoff so I'd say they are better.

When I think of "similar", I think of talent. Obviously, you mean size.

Again, our defense didn't struggle vs. MSU. Our offense did.
 
Actually, my track record is pretty good. When I pick a game, I pick it based on opponents. Franklin's track record is beyond abysmal against teams with a specific profile. Going into the season, pretty much everyone expected to play 5 games against teams with a specific profile which is why I picked 7 and 5 or 8 and 4. It is all data. When analyzing the season, three teams seriously underperformed all expectations and we ended up playing two, not five. I am not telling you the secret formula because it is all math and you probably wouldn't understand it, but I will say Franklin is batting less than .100 in these games during the regular season. We were 0 and 4 last year, 0 and 2 this year. As predicted, we lost another uncompetitive game to Michigan and in very predictable form for the exact reasons I said, got blown in the fourth quarter against Ohio State. I may have missed a couple of games but the fact remains we played a pathetically weak schedule.
You, math, funny. So you predicted 7-5 and they went 10-2 and you still claim you were correct. That’s some fuzzy math there. So you predict Utah wins. And if they don’t you were still right? Donald, is that you?
 
You, math, funny. So you predicted 7-5 and they went 10-2 and you still claim you were correct. That’s some fuzzy math there. So you predict Utah wins. And if they don’t you were still right? Donald, is that you?
I predicted 7 and 5 based on the expectation that Purdue, Michigan State and Minnesota would maintain or raise their performance based on last year's results. If they met those marks, they very likely win given Franklin's abysmal performance against really any team with a pulse. Looking back at this season, the equation holds. Penn State is 0 and 6 the last two regular seasons against the teams that fit the model. The model has proven 91% plus accurate when applied to Franklin's entire head coaching career. Where I erred was the quality of the competition, which is very very low this year when you look at who we played. Utah fits the model of a team that Franklin will lose to more than 91% of the time, but then again, I don't apply it to post season games for a variety of reasons. You never know when a team doesn't want to be there. For example, this is the year to play Bama in a bowl game and make a name for yourself because they likely don't want to be there. Now we have to think about me-first players opting out.
 
I predicted 7 and 5 based on the expectation that Purdue, Michigan State and Minnesota would maintain or raise their performance based on last year's results. If they met those marks, they very likely win given Franklin's abysmal performance against really any team with a pulse. Looking back at this season, the equation holds. Penn State is 0 and 6 the last two regular seasons against the teams that fit the model. The model has proven 91% plus accurate when applied to Franklin's entire head coaching career. Where I erred was the quality of the competition, which is very very low this year when you look at who we played. Utah fits the model of a team that Franklin will lose to more than 91% of the time, but then again, I don't apply it to post season games for a variety of reasons. You never know when a team doesn't want to be there. For example, this is the year to play Bama in a bowl game and make a name for yourself because they likely don't want to be there. Now we have to think about me-first players opting out.
There’s a much easier way to explain this, I predicted 7-5 and I was wrong. That’s it, very simple. You don’t get to change your prediction after the season. I am fascinated by your model that is 91% accurate after the games are played. You would think it would be 100%, but who am I to judge. I would have just one variable in my equation. I will let you know how it works on Jan. 3.
 
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