FC: Colin Kapernick
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anon_xdc8rmuek44eq
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So here's the logic Gregg
There is a narrative, perpetuated by BLM and others that there is a racially-driven police brutality epidemic - that it's "open season" on black men by cops in this country. This is what Colin Kapernick is protesting by "kneeling down during the anthem." The BLM movement with riots and violence have also led to cops, on several occasions now, being executed while sitting in their car as retribution for said brutality. So, directly, or indirectly, CK is throwing down with a movement that has openly called for and perpetuated violence against police.
Now, we could also discuss the fact that it is a completely bogus position. Michael Brown and other incidents that have largely driven this narrative, have mostly been proven to be false. Statistically, the narrative also doesn't stand up. The number of white people killed by cops is far higher than blacks. The number of unarmed black men killed by police is tiny, and less than whites. Further, a significant percentage of black men killed by police were killed by black cops, further destroying a racial narrative..
Every police shooting should be investigated and prosecuted as driven by the facts, regardless of the race of everyone involved, but there is simply no support for the narrative that there is a racially driven police brutality epidemic in this country.
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anon_xdc8rmuek44eq
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So what was with the Castro t-shirt? Hard to claim one is against oppression wearing that!
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Blacks are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by a cop than whites. In absolute numbers, whites are killed more often because they make up a significantly greater portion of the population. So, there is evidence to support the narrative. And it’s getting worse.
The grim trend has carried over into 2016. Of the 1,034 people killed and tracked by Burghart’s Fatal Encounters database so far this year, 215 were black while 338 were white, so thus far in 2016 black Americans have been three times more likely than white people to die in interactions with police. That statistic holds for figures sent to us by Burghart compiled between Jan. 1, 2013 to Sept. 21, 2016, with suicides-by-cop removed. Burghart told us:
I think it’s pretty obvious that black people are killed at much higher rates than white people. I’m not going to say that white people are underrepresented in these numbers, since I think all people are overrepresented in this data, but it’s clear that black people are highly overrepresented.
Obama's gone, so no chancewhy don't we just give a congress medal of freedom to FIDEL CASTRO????
OUTRAGE!!!
I have no interest in getting into an argument with you, but you are wrong. Blacks commit crimes at a far higher rate than whites. When you control for the nature of a police interaction, the narrative blows up.
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anon_xdc8rmuek44eq
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OK. I like numbers so I'll bite. You say that these numbers support the narrative that police are biased against blacks. Your conclusion is true if whites and blacks commit crimes at identical rates (crimes per 100,000 citizens). Do you think that is true? I'm not sure.
Men are disproportionately shot by cops compared to women. Just saying... social justice and stuff.
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We’re talking fatalities during encounters - not rate of crime by race. If my conclusion isn’t true - that blacks are more likely to be killed by police during an encounter with police than whites - what is, and what are the statistics that prove it? Rate of crime by race has nothing do to with a fatality during an encounter, especially since whites certainly have more encounters and are killed at a much lower rate as a percentage of the population.
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I'll go if Colin Kapenick goes. We'll wear the flag together. How's that? You think he's up to making the sacrifice?
Well, it isn't just "encounters" - that makes it sound like they just shoot you after pulling you over and you ask "what did I do wrong officer".
More data is needed, like whether it was justifiable. Would also be curious about the race of the cop that shoots someone - are black cops more likely to shoot blacks they "encounter" than white cops?
There is a whole lot more than "blacks are shot disproportionately more than whites".
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These are good, valid questions. There isn’t a lot of data on this stuff - mostly left to academics and journalists to track so difficult to determine the circumstances of each encounter. Still, you’re making a pretty good leap of faith if you think there is enough there to justify such a huge discrepancy.
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I agree with what you say. Then the missing statistic is total police encounters for whites and total encounters for blacks per 100,000 citizens of each race. I don't have an answer. I'm just saying what information is needed to draw a valid conclusion. Of course whites likely have more encounters with police than blacks because blacks make up only 12.3% of the population per the last census.
IT cost him nothing. He was benched and was going to be cut... suddenly he starts protesting.
LdN
Thanks for sharing. However, it does not 'move the needle' much for me. Why. Because it's quite a partisan list. For example, what's wrong with helping all veterans?? Did you know approx. 40,000 homeless veterans are sheltered each night. Or that approx. 20 veterans commit suicide each day and of those, only six received help from the VA. Did you know there are approx. 83K MIAs from wars fought in this century. Next time you're on Colin's site please "increase awareness" that veterans can be victims, too. I thank you.
Wow! I read the Huffington Post article that you linked. I was carefully considering all the data that suggested that black incarceration rates exceed white incarceration rates because of racial bias, not propensity to commit crimes. The article had me convinced until I got to the last 2 paragraphs. They said that all the numbers were "made up" since good data isn't available and the numbers are just illustrative since everyone knows that racial bias is the reason for black incarcerations. I didn't find the article very convincing!
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Well, probably would have been signed as a backup somewhere, so he did lose that whatever it’s worth. And while I admire his courage, I do think it was in part motivated by his playing status. The other issue he didn’t think through was what he wanted to accomplish. If it’s ‘I’d like the NFL to be more active in minority communities and would like to see more effort by law enforcement to dialogue with community leaders,’ well - that’s something that’s pretty doable. If it’s ‘end racial discrimination against minorities,’ probably not gonna happen.’
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Think the only ‘made up’ numbers are the ones in the hypothetical scenarios at the end of the article.
He was a bad QB. Perhaps he'd be signed as a backup at this point but what I've read is he wanted too much money.
I agree with you on his playing status. As I've said numerous times here's a guy who has been living a charmed life in sports. Starter, Starter, Starter and SB QB... then suddenly benched for suckiness.
It's normal to lash out... it's human. But he wasn't very good at the end and I believe that's the main reason he hasn't been signed (along with money)
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worth a read, but also flawed. It is politically motivated and calls any mention of racial disparities "racist".
It's not racist to say black commit crimes at a higher rate than whites. That doesn't mean that blacks have a "natural criminal propensity" as the article accuses. It simply means what it says, without noting any underlying cause(s).
Really? Guess he's slightly smarter than you because he brought a lot more attention to his cause than the strategy that you'd have taken.
Well said. And to your mention of black cops, if there was systemic police brutality against the black community at large then where pray tell is their voice in the matter? But instead they are mum. Why. Because it's a false narrative. And then there's former DPD Chief David Brown speaking about cops being asked to do too much, to include playing father.
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anon_xdc8rmuek44eq
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LemonEars was looking for the data to support the crime by race stats - can you share them?
Race is not the issue. The issue is doing what a police officer says. Why is it so hard for people to accept the commands of authority figures anymore.
Not a fair comparison. Not even in the same ballpark. The injustice is more imagined than real. Simple solution: do what the police officer says. It's not so hard to submit to authority for a brief moment and live to fight another day. Your father taught you as much. Yes?
How do you explain the discrepancy on black-on-black crime/murders? Why wouldn't that bleed over to how one conducts themselves around cops.
"The injustice of more imagined than real"? You obviously don't have the challenges others do. You're in a good position. Congrats. But just a little history for ya. A person of darker skin does not have the same history in our country as someone with lighter skin in terms of their relationship with the authority. Kids' parents and grandparents today were literally watching themselves being abused by police, and drinking from different water fountains just 60 years ago. You think kids are growing up with their parents telling them to respect authority? BTW, did you see the videos of late of the kids DOING WHAT THE POLICE asked them to and STILL BEING SHOT?
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