FC: Colin Kapernick

[razpsu]

Does he know the song he is protesting was written during a battle and represents our country surviving that battle and the war to become the United States. Does he know the country we fought had slavery in America before we became the United States. Just sayin.

 

[UncleLar]

Not a fair comparison. Not even in the same ballpark. The injustice is more imagined than real. Simple solution: do what the police officer says. It's not so hard to submit to authority for a brief moment and live to fight another day. Your father taught you as much. Yes?

The laughable thing here is that the EXACT same thing could be said about the injustice that Kaepernick is accused of. There is nothing inherently disrespectful about taking a knee. People do it all the time as a matter of reverence (kneeling in church, kneeling to honor a fallen comrade, kneeling before a monarch, kneeling when you propose marriage, etc, etc. So I would submit that this injustice that you and others see is much more imagined than real. I would also ask why is it so hard for people to take Kaepernick et al at their word when they say they mean no disrespect to the flag or our servicemen?

 

[razpsu]

Perhaps he should start by taking a knee in Chicago where there are 600 homicides so far this year. Perhaps he should start and help that city as they have the most strict gun laws and the most lenient liberal views towards the law. If he starts there without taking a knee then maybe he could help those that are being wounded or killed on a daily basis.

 

[Obliviax]

The laughable thing here is that the EXACT same thing could be said about the injustice that Kaepernick is accused of. There is nothing inherently disrespectful about taking a knee. People do it all the time as a matter of reverence (kneeling in church, kneeling to honor a fallen comrade, kneeling before a monarch, kneeling when you propose marriage, etc, etc. So I would submit that this injustice that you and others see is much more imagined than real. I would also ask why is it so hard for people to take Kaepernick et al at their word when they say they mean no disrespect to the flag or our servicemen?

maybe...but he took a knee out of disrespect, not respect. he said so himself. it is a protest. To me, the flag represents me, so disrespecting the flag is disrespecting me.

Again, I have no problem if he wants to go on the speaking circuit or even post game and give his opinion. I, in fact, agree with him on many of these issues.

IMHO, the moment before a football game is just the wrong venue and is harmful, not helpful.

 

[UncleLar]

Does he know the song he is protesting was written during a battle and represents our country surviving that battle and the war to become the United States. Does he know the country we fought had slavery in America before we became the United States. Just sayin.

LOL. You'd better check your history book. First of all, the battle was during the War of 1812, not the Revolutionary War. Secondly, there's a verse in the song that specifically is in support of slavery.

https://www.snopes.com/2016/08/29/star-spangled-banner-and-slavery/

 

[UncleLar]

maybe...but he took a knee out of disrespect, not respect. he said so himself. it is a protest. To me, the flag represents me, so disrespecting the flag is disrespecting me.

Again, I have no problem if he wants to go on the speaking circuit or even post game and give his opinion. I, in fact, agree with him on many of these issues.

IMHO, the moment before a football game is just the wrong venue and is harmful, not helpful.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/opinion/colin-kaepernick-football-protests.html


"We chose to kneel because it is a respectful gesture"

 

[Obliviax]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/opinion/colin-kaepernick-football-protests.html


"We chose to kneel because it is a respectful gesture"

yeah...not buying it. sorry.

 

[UncleLar]

maybe...but he took a knee out of disrespect, not respect. he said so himself. it is a protest. To me, the flag represents me, so disrespecting the flag is disrespecting me.

Again, I have no problem if he wants to go on the speaking circuit or even post game and give his opinion. I, in fact, agree with him on many of these issues.

IMHO, the moment before a football game is just the wrong venue and is harmful, not helpful.

Damn those uppity *****, put them in their place.

 

[UncleLar]

yeah...not buying it. sorry.

Yup. That's what I said a while ago. "Why is it so hard to take them at their word?"

 

[Obliviax]

Yup. That's what I said a while ago. Why is it so hard to take them at their word?

because the body of his work...the pig socks, the tweets from him and his fiacee.

It is NOT an act of respect...that is pretty clear.

Regardless, it is the wrong time and place.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

How do you explain the discrepancy on black-on-black crime/murders? Why wouldn't that bleed over to how one conducts themselves around cops.

So they’re disproportinately killed by police more often because of black on black crime? Say what?

 

[PeetzPoolBoy]

I feel really bad for the poor dead horse getting another beating. This board sure knows how to resurrect and re-debate topics multiple times.....and yet no one changes their opinions.

 

[UncleLar]

because the body of his work...the pig socks, the tweets from him and his fiacee.

It is NOT an act of respect...that is pretty clear.

Regardless, it is the wrong time and place.

So take Kaepernick out of the equation. What say you about the dozens of others who have taken a knee and have consistently said it's not about disrespecting either the flag or our servicemen? Can you take them at their word?

 

[Crusher1950]

What a joke

 

[PSUlawman]

LOL. You'd better check your history book. First of all, the battle was during the War of 1812, not the Revolutionary War. Secondly, there's a verse in the song that specifically is in support of slavery.

https://www.snopes.com/2016/08/29/star-spangled-banner-and-slavery/

A quote from the article you posted does not support slavery:
"There are historians (notably Robin Blackburn, author of The Overthrow of Colonial Slavery, 1776-1848, and Alan Taylor, author of “American Blacks in the War of 1812”), who have indeed read the stanza as glorying in the Americans’ defeat of the Corps of Colonial Marines, one of two units of black slaves recruited between 1808 and 1816 to fight for the British on the promise of gaining their freedom"
Not sure how that supports slavery?

 

[Obliviax]

So take Kaepernick out of the equation. What say you about the dozens of others who have taken a knee and have consistently said it's not about disrespecting either the flag or our servicemen? Can you take them at their word?

I don't care about out servicemen, in this regard. It is disrespecting me. its no different than that dip-wad brother in law that always talks politics. you ask him, finally, to not talk politics at thanksgiving dinner. And half way through dinner, he brings up politics.

There is a place and a time. on the field of play, when the team should be concentrating on the game and fans go to be entertained, is not the place and time. It is an encroachment on my investment into the game. I'll go play Parcheesi with the kids then.

on a side note, a close family member does criminal defense work and I am very sensitive, in fact agree, with his root motivation.

 

[razpsu]

LOL. You'd better check your history book. First of all, the battle was during the War of 1812, not the Revolutionary War. Secondly, there's a verse in the song that specifically is in support of slavery.

https://www.snopes.com/2016/08/29/star-spangled-banner-and-slavery/

We fought the British in 1812 don’t you know that? By the way we fought them during the revolutionary war as well. Learn your history!

 

[NC2017]

BTW, did you see the videos of late of the kids DOING WHAT THE POLICE asked them to and STILL BEING SHOT?

And it isn't that these encounters aren't investigated and placed before juries. What Kaepernick and other SJWs are upest by are some outcomes justices & juries render. They want a guilty verdict, jury & evidence be damned.

 

[razpsu]

We fought the British in 1812 don’t you know that? By the way we fought them during the revolutionary war as well. Learn your history!

Do you know what battle? Do you know who wrote it? Was it a song or a poem first? Man you really need to know get your history straight. I know the left likes to rewrite it to make themselves feel better.

 

[lein]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/opinion/colin-kaepernick-football-protests.html


"We chose to kneel because it is a respectful gesture"

Actually, it is an act of contempt to the tens of thousands who stand and show respect to our country and those who served and perished defending it.

 

[lein]

A quote from the article you posted does not support slavery:
"There are historians (notably Robin Blackburn, author of The Overthrow of Colonial Slavery, 1776-1848, and Alan Taylor, author of “American Blacks in the War of 1812”), who have indeed read the stanza as glorying in the Americans’ defeat of the Corps of Colonial Marines, one of two units of black slaves recruited between 1808 and 1816 to fight for the British on the promise of gaining their freedom"
Not sure how that supports slavery?

It really isn't relevant anyways as nobody sings beyond the first verse. But if we are going to remove everything that we find offensive today, do we start from earlier times and tear down the Taj Mahal and the Pyramids.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Actually, it is an act of contempt to the tens of thousands who stand and show respect to our country and those who served and perished defending it.

Be like Obli and just say you’re offended. Using vets in your political gamesmanship is wrong - we all have our own opinions.