I'll go back to what I said about the truth. That is what's supposed to matter. If STD doesn't have it, then we're still going to be arguing nuance like we have for the last 5.5 years.
FC: CSS Failure To Report charge thrown out by judge
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I'll go back to what I said about the truth. That is what's supposed to matter. If STD doesn't have it, then we're still going to be arguing nuance like we have for the last 5.5 years.
I've said many times I'm willing to wait until I see all of the evidence subject to cross-examination in a trial setting. Due process and all. STD thinks they have the elusive "smoking gun" which is nothing more than a puzzle piece in a bigger picture.
Wrong. DPW/CYS investigations are separate from the criminal investigations; you will note that no one from DPW/CYS testified at Sandusky's trial, even though the made a "founded" determination in 2008-09.
They should have made a "Founded" determination in 1998 - why didn't they ?
You will be getting a partial answer in about 7 weeks, if everything stays on schedule.
You certainly did. Okay, that was you last lifeline. No more questions trying to figure out who I am.
Unless CSS try some more delaying tactics, you should find out in 6-7 weeks. I'm waiting for the trial, as I have intended.
Of course, if you knew the whole story, you'd choke on your mouse.
Stuff, in 6-7 weeks, what do you think the outcome will be? What do you think we will know then that we do not know now?
Thanks.
Yes, you've been blowing the "Litany According to JJ aka JockstrapJohn" for years out of your backside.
There is a magical name that we never hear anything from. Fran Ganter. He intrigues me.
Elvis, if Joe were still alive for whom do you think he would be testifying? Or do you think he would also be on trial?
Honestly, that there was contact between someone at PSU and the DA's Office in 1998 and that some agreement was made, ultimately. In short, I expect that Curley, Schultz, Spanier, and/or Paterno knew since 1998 that Sandusky was molesting boys.
I think this, from Sloan, is key. It is the Dictaphone recording:
"Oct. 13, 1998. Schreffler, Ralston, Sloane, Gricar. Investigation going to Penn State meeting. Ray. Fran Ganter. Ron Schreffler is taking us to the football building and I will finish this memo, Sue, and either Ray will type something, handwrite something or he'll tell me to dictate this and I'll give you the tape when we get back. Thanks."
That's not correct on DPW/CYS, Jessica Dershem of Clinton Co. CYS testified.
Correct, she did, but her testimony is about what both reported. She also stated that the result was "indicated" not "founded."
For the other victims, however, there was nothing from DPW/CYS.
Asked and answered.
Now you are complaining about because I answered an opinion question honestly?
I appreciate the response stuff.
I don't buy that any or all four of those guys knew Sandusky was molesting boys. That's a hell of a statement to make. Makes absolutely no sense that some college administrators and a football coach would know that this was happening and nothing was done about it. Unless they were also involved in molesting children. No other reason I can imagine that they would not have done something more about it.
There is ZERO, actually LESS THAN ZERO chance, that Paterno would know of a child molester and do nothing about it.
You don't believe all of that? Or that that same group of administrators and football coach cut a deal with the DA and team that investigated the '98 incident?? Let the known child molestor have professor emeritus status, roam the campus and facilities freely and continue to run a massive charity witj accessc to 100's of young boys?? Cmon man, that makes perfect sense.
DPW got the case file from CYS. It's possible CYS didn't give him everything they had, or fabricated what they did have.
I said and/or. That does not mean all four of them did know. I am hoping that Paterno did not know.
Well, we could make same statement two counties over, and yes, you had DA's that turned a blind eye to molestation.
As I've said, I hope that Paterno did not know. I hope that the worst thing Paterno did was put his trust in the wrong people. I can see that as a possibility.
It certainly is strange none of the key people at CYS and DPW were ever called. Perhaps they finally will be in C/S/S.
It isn't strange, because that is the type of thing you'd see in the CSS trial. We have the 11/1/12 presentment which does dwell in detail on 1998.
My "Gricar theory" was also asked and answered. There is a thread which details the conduct of the 1998 case at the Centre DA's Office.
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The chances 4 university admins knew all about Sandusky yet no one at TSM did is laughable at best.
You didn't answer the question - who at the state level made the call not to report 98 as founded
I would expect it. Many of them have dropped completely off the grid over the last 5 years.
The only person, at the state level, was Lauro. As Didier pointed out, Lauro got his information from Centre County CYS.
So you're saying that Lauro, on his own, made the call to inject a non-licensed psychologist into the situation to supercede the "licensed" psychologists statement on grooming - all by himself ??
May not have been state level. If the County and police didn't tell Lauro everything they had he may have not indicated based on lack of evidence. He told his boss he thought the locals wanted him out of town asap.
"Locals" have absolutely NO authority over Lauro
That points to a CYS failure to report information and cover up "in order to avoid the consequences of bad publicity." It's reasonable to conclude...
If they withhold key facts from him they can. He still deserves some blame for not pushing back. He had an idea what was going on.
I said nothing about Paterno. To say that any of them knew is to accuse them of being an active member of a pedophile coverup. I have to believe they would be facing stronger charges than they are right now.
How is Franny involved in this? If he and/or Bradley were aware that others knew that Sandusky was molesting children then they should also have been charged.
In short, I am not buying the part about these people knowing (which means they were 100% sure it was happening) that he was molesting kids. Doesn't make sense.
Yes it does; at least certain individuals at that organization were. I've believed that for a while. There is no question that the person calling himself a caseworker tried to bully an 11 year old boy into backing off, even though he knew from what the kid told him that Jerry was a pedophile. I very much look forward to seeing that man on the stand.
I repeat, the have zero control over him
He must do his own independent investigation
I'm not sure folks understand the relationship of a local CYS office and the State DPW (no DHS)
DPW is 100% in charge of the situation once it's reported - the local CYS means sh!t once the report is made
@Stufftodo could tell you all about it. But he won't.
He said to the press that he thought the PSU police wanted him out of the investigation. He seems to have known something weird was going on but he didn't pursue the matter further. It's a far cry from deliberate sabatoge that others seem to have engaged in.
