FC: CSS Failure To Report charge thrown out by judge

[dshumbero]

The chances 4 university admins knew all about Sandusky yet no one at TSM did is laughable at best.

This clown has been singing the same tune for 5 years, that he has inside info, Gricar was offed, and there was an active coverup. This is Jockstrap John's bs, and I'm starting to think it's JJ because he's been blowing his hole at PennLie that he's been lurking here.

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

Where everybody knows your name...

I see what you did there!

 

[Zenophile]

I see what you did there!

Ain't she somethin'?

 

[marshall23]

Who doesn't love a good green bean?

I'm partial to peas. Have not had a good pea in a long time.

 

[dshumbero]

I'm partial to peas. Have not had a good pea in a long time.

Try some "Prosvent"?

 

[Stufftodo]

Good Lord, chrisrn1965, I'm taking about the DA's Office and CYS in 1998. TSM wasn't even notified about it. And you were asked to follow parliamentary procedure and expound on your Gricar theory as well as to note that means DPW did not do their job and should never have relied on CYS.

Irrelevant as to procedure. Asked and answered as to Gricar.

Do I think Lauro did a good job? No. Do I think Seasock should have been used? No.

Seasock was a consultant for Centre County CYS and seems to have been suggested by someone from there. Lauro would not know how the guy was. Anyone in Harrisburg would not know who Seasock was or if he was working in Centre County.

You all are looking at Harrisburg, when you should be looking at Bellefonte.

It's not the police investigation that would notify TSM, it's the DPW report that would. It's not humanly possible for the state DPW to be involved and for TSM to not know

But there wouldn't be "public" documentation of that - it's the way the system works. They cannot investigate JS without informing TSM

Lauro does not recall telling TSM. Courtney said he didn't know about 1998 until Ganim's story (nearly 13 years later). Nothing in police report, so far. CYS? Maybe, but 1998 all goes bck to the DA's Office and Centre County CYS.

 

[Stufftodo]

I am taking your comments and putting them in quotes, just to be clear.

CAPS JUST TO DELINEATE (I'M NOT ANGRY)- THAT IS INTERESTING IF ITS TRUE OR IF ITS NOT TRUE

-IF TRUE THEN IT DOUSES THE CONSPIRACY ABOUT THE STATE DPW COVERING UP BUT ACTUALLY SUPPORTS AT THE MINIMUM JOE 100% AND AT A MAXIMUM CSS. HERE YOU HAVE THE HIGHEST RANKING STATE OFFICIAL 100% TRAINED ON HOW TO HANDLE THESE THINGS WITH THE ULTIMATE "AUTHORITY" TO MAKE A DECISION WHO, WITH EVIDENCE, STILL MADE THE CONSCIOUS DECISION NOT TO "FIND" JS BECAUSE HE HONESTLY "DIDN'T KNOW" THAT JS WAS A PEDO! THINK ABOUT THAT............

OR

THERE WERE SOME OTHER NEFARIOUS PEOPLE INVOLVED

They question is, in 1998, who knew. Yes, I think therewere other people involved, CYS and the DA's Office. Keep in mind that they were not doing anything actually illegal.

BUT THE FACT REMAINS THAT NO LAURO/STATE - NO SEASOCK
BUT THE MORE IMPORTANT QUESTION IS "WHY SEASOCK"

He seems to have suggested by Centre County CYS. You might say, NO LAURO, NO INVESTIGATION. Look at the e-mails between Curley and Schultz at the time. Are they even mentioning the criminal investigation? No, they are concerned about Seasock.

Lauro was following the lead of everyone else.

I MAY BE ANSWERING THIS INE OUT OF ORDER BUT I'LL TRY AMD MAKE A POINT ANYWAY - EVERYTHING IS AFFILIATED WITH TSM - I WON'T GO INTO A FRTT RANT BUT YOU GET THE PICTURE

There was no connection that has come up between TSM and the 1998 incident. Courtney was not told, even though he was counsel for Penn State. Nobody said that they called TSM.

TWO DIFFERENT INVESTIGATIONS
1- DAs INVESTIGATION - LEGAL - POSSIBLY NO NOTIFICATION OF TSM
2-CYS/DPW INVESTIGATION - CHILD WELFARE - NOT EVEN THE SLIGHTEST POSSIBILITY OF NOT NOTIFYING TSM

Nobody has ever said that they contacted TSM in 1998. At least in the redacted police report, TSM is not mentioned. I'll stress that it is redacted.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Wow...you mean the same circular arguments haven't been settled yet....wow....mind blown. Hey...go back to what MM saw and what he said...I don't think anyone has really touched upon that yet.

 

[Mixolydian]

Wow...you mean the same circular arguments haven't been settled yet....wow....mind blown. Hey...go back to what MM saw and what he said...I don't think anyone has really touched upon that yet.

Which time?

 

[colt21]

I am taking your comments and putting them in quotes, just to be clear.



They question is, in 1998, who knew. Yes, I think therewere other people involved, CYS and the DA's Office. Keep in mind that they were not doing anything actually illegal.



He seems to have suggested by Centre County CYS. You might say, NO LAURO, NO INVESTIGATION. Look at the e-mails between Curley and Schultz at the time. Are they even mentioning the criminal investigation? No, they are concerned about Seasock.

Lauro was following the lead of everyone else.



There was no connection that has come up between TSM and the 1998 incident. Courtney was not told, even though he was counsel for Penn State. Nobody said that they called TSM.



Nobody has ever said that they contacted TSM in 1998. At least in the redacted police report, TSM is not mentioned. I'll stress that it is redacted.

It's not the police investigation that would notify TSM, it's the DPW report that would. It's not humanly possible for the state DPW to be involved and for TSM to not know

But there wouldn't be "public" documentation of that - it's the way the system works. They cannot investigate JS without informing TSM

 

[marshall23]

Wow...you mean the same circular arguments haven't been settled yet....wow....mind blown. Hey...go back to what MM saw and what he said...I don't think anyone has really touched upon that yet.

How do we know what he saw? We certainly don't know what he said to Dr. D or Dad. What ever it was they didn't contact LE or CYS/DPW. They told him to go see JVP. Seems strange, if in fact he saw a sexual assault on a child.

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

No. I looked up greenbean on urban dictionary because I didn't get the reference at first.

Frank FAP Fina, is that you?

 

[colt21]

Irrelevant as to procedure. Asked and answered as to Gricar.

Do I think Lauro did a good job? No. Do I think Seasock should have been used? No.

Seasock was a consultant for Centre County CYS and seems to have been suggested by someone from there. Lauro would not know how the guy was. Anyone in Harrisburg would not know who Seasock was or if he was working in Centre County.

You all are looking at Harrisburg, when you should be looking at Bellefonte.

Don't disagree with the second part of your statement about Bellefonte but I choose to look at BOTH Harrisburg and Bellefonte

 

[Stufftodo]

Don't disagree with the second part of your statement about Bellefonte but I choose to look at BOTH Harrisburg and Bellefonte

Wow...you mean the same circular arguments haven't been settled yet....wow....mind blown. Hey...go back to what MM saw and what he said...I don't think anyone has really touched upon that yet.

What argument do to you think is circular?

You seem to be one of those yelling "TSM!!! TSM!!!" In 1998, nobody has come up with a TSM connection. If the would be one, it would come from CYS.

Everything is pointing to Bellefonte, not Harrisburg.

Lauro does not remember telling TSM. Courtney stated that he had not heard about the 1998 until he read it in Ganim's article. Nothing about TSM in the parts of the police report we've seen. Did CYS tell anyone at TSM? Maybe, but it still goes back to CYS.

The only decision maker from the state seems to be Lauro, and he followed the lead of everyone in Centre County.

 

[lionville]

Which time?

MM walked in on a CRIME being committed by a predator AGAINST a child, fled the building, went home, told his dad and family friend, went to bed, slept like a baby, and the next day called..........THE FOOTBALL COACH!!!!!!!!

SMH.

 

[marshall23]

MM walked in on a CRIME being committed by a predator AGAINST a child, fled the building, went home, told his dad and family friend, went to bed, slept like a baby, and the next day called..........THE FOOTBALL COACH!!!!!!!!

SMH.

and never raised an objection to Tim Curley or Gary Schultz that his complaint was not handled in an appropriate manner.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Stuff, I continue to not see the relevance of '98 as it pertains to CSS apart from everybody else involved then. If those involved knew he was a pedophile then what happened in the ensuing years is on everybody that was involved then. If the knew and did not charge him then, there is a much larger coverup than has been reported and a dearth of people charged with covering up his pedophilic acts.
Now if you are saying they thought he was a pedophile, that's a whole different thing.

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

MM walked in on a CRIME being committed by a predator AGAINST a child, fled the building, went home, told his dad and family friend, went to bed, slept like a baby, and the next day called..........THE FOOTBALL COACH!!!!!!!!

SMH.

Makes sense to me.

 

[PSUMATT85]

Stuff, I continue to not see the relevance of '98 as it pertains to CSS apart from everybody else involved then. If those involved knew he was a pedophile then what happened in the ensuing years is on everybody that was involved then. If the knew and did not charge him then, there is a much larger coverup than has been reported and a dearth of people charged with covering up his pedophilic acts.
Now if you are saying they thought he was a pedophile, that's a whole different thing.

Especially when you look at what charges were dropped.

Makes no sense, but then again, neither does nost of the comments on this thread

 

[Chris92]

I am taking your comments and putting them in quotes, just to be clear.



They question is, in 1998, who knew. Yes, I think therewere other people involved, CYS and the DA's Office. Keep in mind that they were not doing anything actually illegal.



He seems to have suggested by Centre County CYS. You might say, NO LAURO, NO INVESTIGATION. Look at the e-mails between Curley and Schultz at the time. Are they even mentioning the criminal investigation? No, they are concerned about Seasock.

Lauro was following the lead of everyone else.



There was no connection that has come up between TSM and the 1998 incident. Courtney was not told, even though he was counsel for Penn State. Nobody said that they called TSM.



Nobody has ever said that they contacted TSM in 1998. At least in the redacted police report, TSM is not mentioned. I'll stress that it is redacted.

You're referring to 15 pages of a 100+ page police report. Those 15 pages were hand picked to get a conviction and set a narrative. It's not possible to draw any conclusions based on those 15 pages.

 

[Nellie R]

Irrelevant as to procedure. Asked and answered as to Gricar.

Do I think Lauro did a good job? No. Do I think Seasock should have been used? No.

Seasock was a consultant for Centre County CYS and seems to have been suggested by someone from there. Lauro would not know how the guy was. Anyone in Harrisburg would not know who Seasock was or if he was working in Centre County.

You all are looking at Harrisburg, when you should be looking at Bellefonte.



Lauro does not recall telling TSM. Courtney said he didn't know about 1998 until Ganim's story (nearly 13 years later). Nothing in police report, so far. CYS? Maybe, but 1998 all goes bck to the DA's Office and Centre County CYS.

Green Beans, Dictaphones, and Parliamentarianism.

 

[Stufftodo]

Stuff, I continue to not see the relevance of '98 as it pertains to CSS apart from everybody else involved then. If those involved knew he was a pedophile then what happened in the ensuing years is on everybody that was involved then. If the knew and did not charge him then, there is a much larger coverup than has been reported and a dearth of people charged with covering up his pedophilic acts.
Now if you are saying they thought he was a pedophile, that's a whole different thing.

A coverup. yes. Something illegal, no. You just need to look two counties west, to Cambria, to see the exact same thing.

Prosecutors have discretion on who to prosecute. If, in 1998, the DA's Office decided that they wouldn't prosecute Sandusky if he "received help with the problem," that decision would not be illegal.

 

[Nellie R]

Stuff, I continue to not see the relevance of '98 as it pertains to CSS apart from everybody else involved then. If those involved knew he was a pedophile then what happened in the ensuing years is on everybody that was involved then. If the knew and did not charge him then, there is a much larger coverup than has been reported and a dearth of people charged with covering up his pedophilic acts.
Now if you are saying they thought he was a pedophile, that's a whole different thing.

Exactly. The difference between "suspecting" and "knowing" is purposely elusive to STD.

Seems to me there was a prosecutor censured by the PA Superior Court for their prosecutorial methodology in this case.

Seems to me, it rhymes with STD:

 

[PSUMATT85]

A coverup. yes. Something illegal, no. You just need to look two counties west, to Cambria, to see the exact same thing.

Prosecutors have discretion on who to prosecute. If, in 1998, the DA's Office decided that they wouldn't prosecute Sandusky if he "received help with the problem," that decision would not be illegal.

But he wasn't indicated either, nor if you were correct, SM was not informed. Considering that by CYS, although not illegal, would seem CYS EE's should have been fired at a minimum

 

[didier]

Irrelevant as to procedure. Asked and answered as to Gricar.

Do I think Lauro did a good job? No. Do I think Seasock should have been used? No.

Seasock was a consultant for Centre County CYS and seems to have been suggested by someone from there. Lauro would not know how the guy was. Anyone in Harrisburg would not know who Seasock was or if he was working in Centre County.

I'm curious why Centre was contracting a guy who was setup in Kingston. I could understand Luzerne CYS using him but why Centre?

 

[Stufftodo]

Exactly. The difference between "suspecting" and "knowing" is purposely elusive to STD.

Seems to me there was a prosecutor censured by the PA Superior Court for their prosecutorial methodology in this case.

While there is a process, previously mentioned, where the AG can go to court and ask to prosecute the case, claiming an abuse of discretion, I do not know of a case where they ever have.

Someone might be criticized for his "prosecutorial methodology," I know of no claims of abuse of discretion in the Commonwealth. Please post a link to confirm your claim of any censure.

But he wasn't indicated either, nor if you were correct, SM was not informed. Considering that by CYS, although not illegal, would seem CYS EE's should have been fired at a minimum

They are civil service, so firing is hard. Also, Lauro actually made the decision. He is nicely set up to take the blame (and send everyone looking to Harrisburg for what happened).

I'm curious why Centre was contracting a guy who was setup in Kingston. I could understand Luzerne CYS using him but why Centre?

That I don't know. He is not a Penn State alum nor did he do any work for them prior to 2000.

 

[Nellie R]

While there is a process, previously mentioned, where the AG can go to court and ask to prosecute the case, claiming an abuse of discretion, I do not know of a case where they ever have.

Someone might be criticized for his "prosecutorial methodology," I know of no claims of abuse of discretion in the Commonwealth. Please post a link to confirm your claim of any censure.

Please post a link to Green Beans, Dictaphones and Parliamentarianism.

 

[Nellie R]

While there is a process, previously mentioned, where the AG can go to court and ask to prosecute the case, claiming an abuse of discretion, I do not know of a case where they ever have.

Someone might be criticized for his "prosecutorial methodology," I know of no claims of abuse of discretion in the Commonwealth. Please post a link to confirm your claim of any censure.

Formal censure is not = "criticized".

"I know of no claims of abuse of discretion in the Commonwealth." Seth Williams doesn't ring a bell? Used an informant who cheated a charity serving women and children to get a few slaps on the wrist nowhere near the equivalent of the amounts those women and children were cheated out of? Where's Seth now? Not sitting in a very good position after his grandstanding "claim of abuse of discretion in the Commonwealth".

 

[Connorpozlee]

A coverup. yes. Something illegal, no. You just need to look two counties west, to Cambria, to see the exact same thing.

Prosecutors have discretion on who to prosecute. If, in 1998, the DA's Office decided that they wouldn't prosecute Sandusky if he "received help with the problem," that decision would not be illegal.

Thanks for the response. I can see where you are coming from now.
You are telling me that it was known, as a fact, that Jerry Sandusky was sexually abusing children in 1998 and chose and the prosecutor chose not to prosecute him? I find that hard to believe, but anything is possible in this whole thing.

 

[Stufftodo]

I'm curious why Centre was contracting a guy who was setup in Kingston. I could understand Luzerne CYS using him but why Centre?

Thanks for the response. I can see where you are coming from now.
You are telling me that it was known, as a fact, that Jerry Sandusky was sexually abusing children in 1998 and chose and the prosecutor chose not to prosecute him? I find that hard to believe, but anything is possible in this whole thing.

That would be the scenario. Now, the question is, what evidence of that exists. On that, I will be silent, for the time being.

Looking at the 11/1/12 presentment, it would explain why there is the emphasis on the 1998 incident.

Formal censure is not = "criticized".

"I know of no claims of abuse of discretion in the Commonwealth." Seth Williams doesn't ring a bell? Used an informant who cheated a charity serving women and children to get a few slaps on the wrist nowhere near the equivalent of the amounts those women and children were cheated out of? Where's Seth now? Not sitting in a very good position after his grandstanding "claim of abuse of discretion in the Commonwealth".

No, because Seth Williams was fined for violating Philadelphia ethics laws, not for an abuse of discretion as DA. That is a big difference.

We have seen several instances of prosecutorial discretion used controversially.

Montgomery County: Then DA Bruce Castor chose not to file charge against Bill Cosby.

Cambria County: Then ADA Patrick Kiniry, with at least the tacit approval of his boss, chose not to prosecute one of the pedophile priests.

OAG: Kathleen Kane infamously chose not to prosecute the Philadelphia Five, five Philly politicians that had accepted gifts.

All three faced massive amounts of public criticism it was revealed that they didn't prosecute, but none was removed by a court for abuse of discretion, nor did they face any disciplinary action for it, professionally.

It's part of his wild Gricar theories. And his hounding of Green Beans over it.

And what "wild Gricar theories" are those suppose to be? That he removed ADA Arnold from the Sandusky case, even though she was the person designated to handled abuse cases? That he never interviewed Victim 6? That he made his decision not to prosecute Sandusky before Sandusky was interviewed?

Those are not "theories," they are a matter of public record.

 

[Nellie R]

Thanks for the response. I can see where you are coming from now.
You are telling me that it was known, as a fact, that Jerry Sandusky was sexually abusing children in 1998 and chose and the prosecutor chose not to prosecute him? I find that hard to believe, but anything is possible in this whole thing.

It's part of his wild Gricar theories. And his hounding of Green Beans over it.

 

[didier]

It's part of his wild Gricar theories. And his hounding of Green Beans over it.

Who is Green Beans?

 

[Mixolydian]

MM walked in on a CRIME being committed by a predator AGAINST a child, fled the building, went home, told his dad and family friend, went to bed, slept like a baby, and the next day called..........THE FOOTBALL COACH!!!!!!!!

SMH.

#earwitness

 

[Judge Smails]

So we now have full time shills assigned to this board? I guess we should be honored.

 

[crm114psu]

Who is Green Beans?

Loyal truth-seeker and stringent follower of parliamentary procedure.

 

[didier]

Thanks for the response. I can see where you are coming from now.
You are telling me that it was known, as a fact, that Jerry Sandusky was sexually abusing children in 1998 and chose and the prosecutor chose not to prosecute him? I find that hard to believe, but anything is possible in this whole thing.

Sadly there is precedent for this.

 

[Stufftodo]

Mysogyny? I wonder if that's in line with board policy.

How do you know crm114 is male.

CRM-114, try OPE, or some variation.

 

[crm114psu]

How do you know crm114 is male.

CRM-114, try OPE, or some variation.

Too late, it already blew itself up. We must not allow a mine shaft gap.

 

[nittanydave1]

Maybe you could use some of Fena's pornographic "motivational" emails to illustrate this bullshit. Same mindset, right?

According to stufftodo it was all in the name of breast cancer awareness.

 

[Stufftodo]

According to stufftodo it was all in the name of breast cancer awareness.

It is shocking that you think breast cancer awareness is pornography.

But, according to the current attorney general, Bruce R. Beemer, the investigation had erroneously flagged many emails, like exchanges about breast cancer, as inappropriate. It had not uncovered new evidence of communication that undermined the justice system.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/...icials-during-kathleen-kanes-tenure.html?_r=0

As someone whose mother had breast cancer, I find your opinion morally appalling.