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FC: Six ND players arrested...

Speeding tickets are a revenue generator for many locations.
At one time, Virginia was notorious for speeding tickets and for very high fines. They would set up where there was a change of speed and nail individuals who didn't adjust to the speed difference.

In similar fashion...

At one time, there was a Speed Trap along the Susquehana River in the Harrisburg area, where tons of PSU fans would get tickets on the way to football games. It was well known locally that this was a speed trap area that they exploited every day of the week. Even staffed the local police department to specifically target that one area for speeding ticket revenue. They didn't want to give anyone an out. If they could write a ticket that the local court would uphold, they were writing the ticket. It was all about maximizing revenue.​

It made a lot of folks very happy, when the highway north out of Harrisburg was streamlined and that speed trap area was bypassed. That shut down their revenue generating speed trap business, as folks had a great highway option, on their way to Happy Valley.​
 
You're really going to make this about race? 73 in a 60 is OK for white people? I haven't had a ticket in some time but all of them have been for going something like 42 in a 30.


Exactly. In my "white middle class neighborhood" you would definitely get pulled over for 73mph in a 60mph zone if a cop was sitting there.
 
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I don't know about the kids charged with possession of pot but I'll guarantee if one or more of them had an unlicensed handgun they will be kicked off the team.
 
I don't know where you fellas live, but in my white, upper middle class neighborhood, the speed limit is 25. Cops don't really post up here, but if you speed through much above that the moms will come out of the wood work for you. Tons of these little kids at play thingies people throw out. Moms don't play in my hood. :)
 
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And sometimes it is about race. And not believing that has to stop.
Let's say it was about race and the cops profiled them and that's why they got pulled over - is this where you want to make your argument profiling doesn't work? Six kids driving around smoking weed with a gun?

Sounds like no matter why the cop pulled them over, he was right on.
 
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It could be " driving while black" and/or "driving while male", but I remember from my time in Kansas that, while they have higher speed limits, they are more strict in enforcement. On the east coast they post a 50 mph limit in hopes that people will stay under 60. In the Midwest, when they say 60 they mean it.
 
The question people should be asking is whether nd should continue to play football as a result of this and other recent incidents. Murder, fake girlfriend, marijuana, guns. It is a culture run amok. All nd athletic supporters, the vast majority of whom buy nd shirts at Wal-Mart and talk trash about the football program without ever setting a foot on the nd campus, are responsible for this.
 
Read about the bama players nothing to worry about for these players, white or black doesn't matter
 
Going 73 in a 60 zone while having marijuana and an unlicensed gun in your car is dumb regardless of race.
Actually going 60 in a 60 zone while having marijuana and an unlicensed gun in your car is dumb regardless of race.
 
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I'm sure ND administrative officials will make every effort to talk to these 5 students but won't be able to locate them, at least, until several games into the football season.

Probably because they won't have a game-day football programs in their hands or won't attend any of the same practices that Prince Shambo attended.

Nothing to see here. Where's the rug so the ND hypocrisy staff can sweep it under the rug??
 
It's weed...really? I thought we were finished with the "weed kills" thing? And the gun thing, where's the outrage that they were just exercising their 2nd smnemdment rights? Maybe Wayne is going to swoop in and come to their defense.

I mean the only way we are going to stop the next mass shooter if we are all packing right?

Just give them the speeding ticket and be done with it.

I hate domers like nobody's business but...

I'm still president of the club sir! ;):);)
 
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13 MPH over the limit is definitely fast enough to get pulled over. Generally I assume I'm safe 5 MPH over the limit...10 MPH and I see a cop and I slow down and hope to not see red lights behind me. I do background investigations for the federal govt. and have seen lots of people pulled over for 65 and 70 in a 55 zone. Depends upon the area, the cop's mood that day, whether it's state or local PD...LOL. It's not always about race every time a back motorist is pulled over. That assumption has to stop. Sometimes black drivers get stopped because they broke the law and deserve to be stopped...like everyone else.

I just got pulled over last month for 48 in a 35 mph, but bc I am kinda white, the cop didnt even ask me about my weed or my unregistered gun.
 
Going 73 in a 60 zone while having marijuana and an unlicensed gun in your car is dumb regardless of race.

With a taillight out as well. Having a light out is a free pass for any cop to stop you.
 
The question people should be asking is whether nd should continue to play football as a result of this and other recent incidents. Murder, fake girlfriend, marijuana, guns. It is a culture run amok. All nd athletic supporters, the vast majority of whom buy nd shirts at Wal-Mart and talk trash about the football program without ever setting a foot on the nd campus, are responsible for this.

It's all about academics and religion, don't forget.
 
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The question people should be asking is whether nd should continue to play football as a result of this and other recent incidents. Murder, fake girlfriend, marijuana, guns. It is a culture run amok. All nd athletic supporters, the vast majority of whom buy nd shirts at Wal-Mart and talk trash about the football program without ever setting a foot on the nd campus, are responsible for this.
They knew. They all knew.
 
Actually going 60 in a 60 zone while having marijuana and an unlicensed gun in your car is dumb regardless of race.


True, but going 60, more or less, will not give a cop cause to pull you over and find the weed and gun.
 
73 in 60 is not terrible. In my white upper middle class suburb, I'm not getting pulled over for that. It's over the limit, yes, and my teenager might get pulled over and a car full of black kids is getting pulled over, but the middle aged white guy is probably not getting pulled over.

Now I cannot defend them finding weapons and pot, of course.

In my upper middle class neighborhood, I would get pulled over for doing 36 in a 30 zone. Happens all the time regardless of race. I would imagine going 73 in a 60 gets one ticketed almost all of the time.
 
73 in 60 is not terrible. In my white upper middle class suburb, I'm not getting pulled over for that. It's over the limit, yes, and my teenager might get pulled over and a car full of black kids is getting pulled over, but the middle aged white guy is probably not getting pulled over.

Now I cannot defend them finding weapons and pot, of course.
Try 73 in a 60 zone where I live and you will be talking to a Police officer before you get your car out of gear..And your age is not relevant.
 
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You're really going to make this about race? 73 in a 60 is OK for white people? I haven't had a ticket in some time but all of them have been for going something like 42 in a 30.
bd: I read the initial "driving while black" post as speculating. It could or could not have been the reason they were pulled over. I don't know how it works in South Bend or wherever you live but, in California, people routinely travel over the speed limit (70 mph on the freeway, where the posted limit is 55, is common), and do not get ticketed. Just my guess, but a car full of young black men is likely to draw more attention from the South Bend cops than a car being driven by a middle aged white man. Particularly if it is late at night (although I don't recall reading what time this incident took place).
 
If it's dark out when this happened, how does the cop
bd: I read the initial "driving while black" post as speculating. It could or could not have been the reason they were pulled over. I don't know how it works in South Bend or wherever you live but, in California, people routinely travel over the speed limit (70 mph on the freeway, where the posted limit is 55, is common), and do not get ticketed. Just my guess, but a car full of young black men is likely to draw more attention from the South Bend cops than a car being driven by a middle aged white man. Particularly if it is late at night (although I don't recall reading what time this incident took place).
Not to nitpick but they weren't even in the same county as South Bend, and I believe it was an Indy state cop who pulled them over.
 
bd: I read the initial "driving while black" post as speculating. It could or could not have been the reason they were pulled over. I don't know how it works in South Bend or wherever you live but, in California, people routinely travel over the speed limit (70 mph on the freeway, where the posted limit is 55, is common), and do not get ticketed. Just my guess, but a car full of young black men is likely to draw more attention from the South Bend cops than a car being driven by a middle aged white man. Particularly if it is late at night (although I don't recall reading what time this incident took place).

Tail light was out, it's in the article.
 
not so much, actually

if you don't think that black kids are targeted more than white kids are then you must be new to this country

I'm not defending these particular idiots, but let's not pretend there isn't still a lot of prejudice in this country
I am not new to this country. This has happened to me also in my past. Why does it always come back to race ? People need to be held accountable for their mistakes.
 
I am not new to this country. This has happened to me also in my past. Why does it always come back to race ? People need to be held accountable for their mistakes.

The speeding thing happened to me too but they didn't find drugs and a gun in my car.
 
I don't know much about firearms laws so please bear with me but how does this work:
"Redfield, Stepherson Jr. and Williams also face an additional charge for possession of a handgun without a license."? I mean, how can 3 guys be charged with not having a license for one gun? If they can't determine whose gun it is, shouldn't all 5 guys in the car be charged?
 
I don't know much about firearms laws so please bear with me but how does this work:
"Redfield, Stepherson Jr. and Williams also face an additional charge for possession of a handgun without a license."? I mean, how can 3 guys be charged with not having a license for one gun? If they can't determine whose gun it is, shouldn't all 5 guys in the car be charged?

Easy. The officer asked the three of them, "Whose gun is this?" Then they all pointed to one another and said in unison, "His!".

*studio audience laughter*

That's how it always goes in terrible sitcoms.
 
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If it's dark out when this happened, how does the cop

Not to nitpick but they weren't even in the same county as South Bend, and I believe it was an Indy state cop who pulled them over.
I don't know whether it was dark out or not, which is what I said in my earlier post. But even if it was dark, the cop probably had headlights, and there may well have been streetlights.

Whether it was a South Bend municipal cop or an Indiana State trooper, my guess is that either one of them would have reacted pretty similarly.
 
I don't know much about firearms laws so please bear with me but how does this work:
"Redfield, Stepherson Jr. and Williams also face an additional charge for possession of a handgun without a license."? I mean, how can 3 guys be charged with not having a license for one gun? If they can't determine whose gun it is, shouldn't all 5 guys in the car be charged?
That's pretty much the question Nick Saban was asking. Before he noted that the cops were Louisiana cops, and suggested that they were biased.
 
I don't know if race factored in the traffic stop of these Notre Dame football players, and I certainly cannot condone their driving around with pot and an unlicensed gun.

But consider how many people here are upset by the mere suggestion that race could have been a factor. No one here has personal knowledge of the circumstances of this traffic stop, beyond what we have all read in media reports. How is the assumption that race was not a factor any less lamentable than the assumption that it was a factor?
 
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I think coach Franklin should try and flip Hinnish & Adams just to return the favor from a couple years back.
I drive through Beaver Meadows with my cruise set at 35,that cop will pull you over for 37, if your boozed or smoked up your done. The key word is LIMIT.
ND fans were bashing us like baby seals and some of you guys are bending over, they are in camp they screwed up, their problem. Tough!
 
I don't know if race factored in the traffic stop of these Notre Dame football players, and I certainly cannot condone their driving around with pot and an unlicensed gun.

But consider how many people here are upset by the mere suggestion that race could have been a factor. No one here has personal knowledge of the circumstances of this traffic stop, beyond what we have all read in media reports. How is the assumption that race was not a factor any less lamentable than the assumption that it was a factor?

The point is it happens to all races, you just hear about it when it happens to young black males and you don't hear about it when it happens to young white males. My buddies and I all have stories of getting pulled over for bogus crap back when we were younger. I think youth plays just as much of a factor as race. Cops see young people in a car and the chances that they're doing something stupid is higher than older people.
 
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