Sometimes, I wonder what they drink out there.
https://thespun.com/pac-12/californ...-carpenter-covid-19-protocols-revenue-sharing
https://thespun.com/pac-12/californ...-carpenter-covid-19-protocols-revenue-sharing
FC: So now, the Pac 12 players demand a 50/50 split in revenue.
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If PAC 12 football went away would anyone notice?
They're probably drinking something that tells them that NFL players' revenue share is 48%. College players starting their negotiation at 50% seems relatively logical.
So they are full time professional athletes now? Obviously that is how they see it.
This has been discussed on here before....charge them for their schooling now? Insurance costs? Treat them as if they are an employee of the schools they represent?
Just asking.
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Well they certainly need to pay something for the coaching they get that increases their marketability to the pros.
Um, no. Gross revenue is not even sniffing NFL revenue. Operating income is not even close.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/022315/5-mostvaluable-nfl-franchises.asp#:~:text=The average NFL team makes more than any,a team, with strict guidelines and vetting process.
Well, they are sure making it easier for the PAC-12 to make a decision on what to do with football in 2020. Any potential NFL exposure they hope to get may go right down the toilet.
I might......on those occasional three-beer Saturday nights when I’m not quite ready to fall asleep at 11:30.
I have had similar thoughts. Eliminate grants in aid. If players are getting NIL and want a share of the profits, let them pay their own pay as their path to the NFL or whatever pro league. This might get accelerated if covid takes down athletic for the next year.
These guys are making their demands at exactly the wrong time because COVID-19 is making the pie smaller for everyone. As I posted on another thread college sports is about to go through a shakeout. COVID-19 is only accelerating the change. One result will be fewer teams and fewer scholarships.
I’m stuck in an all-day work Zoom training. I’m considering a three-beer breakfast followed up by a keg lunch.
No problem. if the players decide not to got to school, they pocket the entire wad.
The PAC-12 should cancel their season instead of caving to this extortion.
IMO the players attitudes are extremely selfish and self serving. They know if they got a large piece of the revenue that there would not be enough money to subsidize their fellow athletes in low or no revenue sports. It’s a case of “I’ve got mine, too bad for the rest of you.”
Oh, I see. Players in other sports are entitled to a subsidy from the value generated by the efforts of football players. And why are they at the head of the queue that includes all other students at a university?
Except for the part where they aren't professionals. The logic falls apart when you trip over that reality.
The Ivy League sports model is looking very good right now. I'd support that in a second. There are plenty of players that would be willing to pay their own way to have an opportunity to play football at a school such as Penn State.
I agree with this.
I would rather watch functional club teams play on national TV than have college sports be a professional minor league.
I'm actually very happy with the handful of basketball players who have opted for G league over college. If you don't want to to go to college, DON'T GO TO COLLEGE.
The NFL needs to have some sort of developmental league. Let high school players who don't want to "play school" go to that league straight out of HS.
Well, we have a couple of other threads going discussing the financial impact of a lost season on "the industry", so maybe they see it accurately.
I think some of us remember a time that no longer exists as far as college sports are concerned.
10 games, no bowl games, maybe 50,000 in the stands, 90+% grad rates. I'd be perfectly ok with that myself- but you'd be costing "the industry" a lot of jobs.
When you say no bowl games, are you proposing going to the FCS playoff model? I'd be fine with that.
I predict you'd get more than 50k in the stands (covid aside) to watch elite P5 programs regardless of who was putting on the uniforms.
I'm all for making things as safe as possible for the kids but conflating that with revenue sharing is disgusting IMO. That tells me that they want money more than they want safety.
no- I was proposing doing what the Ivies do
and if everybody is playing walk-ons, there will be no "elite" programs anymore
again, I'm ok with that- but it would be a major change. I doubt you'd be able to fill big stadiums to see what would essentially be Div III football
I'm not so sure about that. I think stadiums are filled by alumni and fans who enjoy the atmosphere and take pride in their school. How else can you explain why big colleges have bigger stadiums than pro teams? I think a lot of PSU fans would love to watch their team beat Alabama even if both were using "replacement players".
My daughter's roommate invited three of our players to a party that the girls were throwing at their apartment two weekends ago. My daughter got introduced to the three players and of course one of her first questions was "what's your major?", like almost all college students inquire about upon meeting someone. All three of them just laughed and never did answer her question.
It would still be big time football. Although many of the players want to play in the NFL, most are in college to get an education. Those that don't want an education will have to find something else to do. There would be plenty of very good players left. Many things would change, such as the amount of time coaches can have athlete's train, but it would still be good football.
I think there will be elite programs, but this may shift in the short term vs long term.
In the short term, elite programs will stay the same. SEC and Big 10 schools will still pack stadiums. The *quality* of the football isn't the driver of fandom -- it is the tribalism. That won't change.
Over the longer term, smaller schools that are good at football (Notre Dame) will fall off and larger schools that have not been good at football will get better (Maryland, Rutgers).
Gets kinda interesting under that scenario. Following the Ivy model, the players, more or less, have to gain admission based on their own academic merits. Yes, there are preferences and some concessions, but the academic credentials of the football team pretty much match those of the school around the mean or median. What that does is give schools like LSU and Mississippi State a pretty significant built-in advantage.
As far as filling stadiums, nah, that's not going to happen.
See Nebraska....they haven’t been elite for quite some time yet they still fill their stadium. We filled our stadium even in down years. It’s the university that’s the draw, not the specific players...if it was the players, we would have stopped watching when Barkley and/or Trace left. The players are only there for a few years anyhow, then new ones come in and replace them. The name on the front of the jersey is what matters.
Except that college athletes aren’t professionals or employees. Ever hear of Title IX? Hey if you want to get paid right away skip school and become a professional. Last I checked they still have a Canadian football league.
well, they don't have a union or a collective bargaining agreement. If someone starts paying them money, they are no longer amateurs. And, if that happens, the entire model is kaput. NCAA has some tough decisions to make: are they semi-pro feeder for the nfl or are they college?
If it was me, I'd tell the ones holding out to not play. Their choice. I told the board this was going to happen when Mo Clarette sued but was derided. Scoreboard!
Many of hem aren't students, either. If nothing else, this issue casts some light on the hypocrisy of "college" football.
its a grey area. Obviously, they are far from a pickup game in the backyard. On the other hand, they are clearly not the NFL either. You really won't see many NFL players advocate for a particular team post-retirement. But college players seem to love their universities forever (for the most part, teams whose nicknames don't rhyme with sockeye" )
And a very high percentage of the players will never sniff the NFL. Most of the players are students and are using football to get an education (although many don’t want to accept that).
I don't know...I can certainly understand a poor college kid who is sweating his nuts off only to look up and see a booster fly in in his G-7 smoking a $200 cigar and wearing a $5,000 Gucci belt.
But there is really no place to go out of HS if you are a good player wanting to play in the NFL.
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