AJF
Kyle Snyder
Sammy Sasso
Let one date your daughter
Recruit one
Beat one senseless
Kyle Snyder
Sammy Sasso
Let one date your daughter
Recruit one
Beat one senseless
Ferrari and the latest drama
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Don't be obtuse. They could've married any time in that 9 month window. If he chose not to, that's soneone you want your daughter dating?
If she didn't want to marry the father of her child, that's someone you would want her dating?
And what does any of this have to do with admitting an athlete?
As I recall, kids have to write essays to apply to college. The admissions office then decides whether this person has the high quality of character that we want on campus, associating with our other students of high character. Some questions are along the lines of “have you been ethically tested?” , “What do you bring to a group?” , etc.
So, “Would you want this person to date your daughter?” is just another phrasing of the fundamental question of: “do we want this person on campus associating with our wonderful students whom we love?”
Been a while since we played MFK.
We had both Ferrari and Snyder in for officials (while in HS), so I guess the answer is
Sasso
Snyder and Ferrari
Downey
If they stay together during that time and there is no animosity between the two about marriage, why would that matter?
Is that something you would want for your daughter?
Does that matter? None of this matters to the question at hand.
If a non-athlete high school senior wrote in his essays all the things that we have been talking about Ferrari doing (at-fault car accident, sexual assault, firing a gun unsafely and illegally, giving the crowd double birds), my guess is that the senior would not be offered a place in the freshman class. Schools don’t have to take everybody! So the debate is kind of silly. Some people would take the guy and some people would not. It’s just a matter of opinion. How much tolerance do you have for low character on your campus, in the pursuit of wrestling wins?
It's one thing if AJ was denied admission, and he very well could have been. Unless I missed something, we don't know that.
But the field of people I would want to date my daughter is a much smaller field of people than people I believe should have the opportunity to develop their craft, trade, etc. I would hope it is for her as well.
Serious question, as he has never been convicted of any crime, how would an admissions officer even know about any of this?
If the officer did know, how ethical would the school be in treating a non-convict like a convict?
You can be denied an education at any university for nearly any reason not spelled out in the Constitution or law, like race and religion. Things you say and do that said institution disagrees with is okay. Things that you haven't said or done that was expected of you by said institution is okay.
I've had 2 dui more than 10 years apart, I had a child in wedlock and another on the way, a full dastard and a half bastard, before I was 21, still married to the mother of all 4 of my children.
I guess I'm a shitty person after all, well crap! Lol
There is a thing called the Internet … 😀
It’s not called treating someone like a convict. It’s called treating someone like an applicant. Even a non-convict is not entitled to admission. There is no ethics problem in not giving somebody a present, based on their past actions and their words. That is literally the definition of the application process.
And other than the sex assault, two of the other three things I mentioned that Ferrari did are on video (shooting gun and double bird) and the third, the car accident, is in the police reports and legal documents.
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Ferrari isn't a felon but didn't he get some criminal punishment for the car wreck? And he had other charges than the sexual assault dropped -- a burglary + assault in Stilly. There is a pattern even without convictions.
In any case, he's an open book. Everything we know about him is published. The real question is if an Admissions officer would either Google or conduct a formal background search. They're not doing it for everyone, but he's special.
UNC does not have an ethical obligation to Ferrari beyond following the law and school policies. They do have an ethical obligation to the 32k students, the future student body, faculty, staff, and the institution.
He's a risk. Probably lower risk than a year ago, but non-zero with his history. UNC isn't accepting that risk, however large or small.
Ehh I don’t know about everyone knowing who he is or even googling. We’re a pretty small circle/subset of the population and if I even asked the parents of the wrestlers at my high school, I doubt many know who he is.
I ask this question. If he were Joe Shmo, would his attendance even be in question (assuming he passed the rigors of the common entrance expectations). At the end of the day he sits with no criminal history we know of (on record), and if anything, he’s story could easily fit one of redemption as much as it can anything.
Did you not read the link above? He is not Joe Shmo, he is an athlete with past transgressions. Some alumni do not want their university associated with him. Good for them.
You had 2 dui's before you were 21 and they were 10 years apart? The first one, were you driving drunk on your big wheel?
Joe Shmo is not transferring into UNC (a southern Ivy in their view) with college credits from those academic powerhouses Oklahoma State and Cal State Bakersfield, especially with less than a 4.0 GPA.
Probably true, but then that introduces that the university knew about him as an athlete and did the due diligence.
My question then is, what changed (again all of this is assuming he was admitted in early April or whenever it was that he announced)?
All fine and well, no one debating that.
But it literally took 45 seconds to find prior incidents of UNC allowing other athletes charged with similar transgressions to participate when charges were dropped, some granted with a probationary period.
Yes, but did high donor alumni vocalize thier negative opinions on those students? AJF dug his grave.
Those athletes could most likely play football or basketball very well. We are talking wrestling, niche sport, money loser, UNC probably decided not worth the risk.
The issue is assuming he was formally admitted. I seriously doubt AJ was formally admitted, at a minimum, UNC would want to see his spring transcript. It is possible AJ announced he was going to UNC and that was news to UNC Admissions, Koll might have thought he could get AJ in, didn't happen. AJ thought he was going to Iowa too, until a decision maker said NO. Same deal at UNC.
I use to coach lots of girls soccer, because of that, I read all of Anson Dorrance's books (best US womens coach in history and UNCs coach). Dorrance said, UNC did not take many out of state students, the ones they did take had to be execellent students, because he only got so many slots. Possibly that same philosophy exists at UNC, if so, AJ is not one to gamble a precious out of state slot on.
If AJ could dribble a basketball, he would already be admitted to UNC.
Nailed home my point in all of this.
I’m all for the guy not getting in, he gets no sympathy from me for acting like an idiot at times. I do think it matters that he’s never been convicted of a crime but that’s not really the point either.
I just really hope the article referenced above had no bearing on this because, in a post Duke Lacrosse world, I think it’s very important to behave as though we’re innocent until proven guilty. Now AJ is a knucklehead, just an unlikable guy to the brim. But the author didn’t cite anything really other than a dropped sexual assault charge, and I would bet $10 she didn’t investigate enough to even know about the accident and other drama (because she’d have mentioned them).
Again, not about AJ at all here, more this idea that a charge could just ruin a person and I think the author doesn’t mind that happening here.
In some small way, I think this is society punishing AJ long term for what is perceived to be getting away with a crime. It happens and I don't have a problem with it. It's not like he was accused of stealing a bike. People bring up Duke lacrosse but each situation is different. AJ has a perception problem.
Yeah, that shoulda been broken up better. One at 21 and one at 33.
2 before 21 over ten years apart, yeah I'm that badass. Lol
Would he want to? I bet he'd tuck tail and run, it gets crazy around these parts.
AJ and Duke Lacrosse are worlds apart. Duke Lacrosse, complete fabrication, DA disbarred. AJ, charged with sexual assualt, charges dropped because his "camp" harrassed the victim into dropping the charges. It is also possible that the UNC AD called the DA in Stillwater for his thoughts or the Iowa AD for her thoughts. Remember, the Iowa women's wrestling team was thrilled when AJ was told to move on.
Being accepted into a college or participating on a sports team is a privilege, not a right. It seems that UNC's AD decided no thanks for AJ.
If you were Pat Kraft would you accept AJ at PSU? I wouldn't.
My late father- in -law was a piece of work in his youth. The last child of 12, by then his parents really didn't give a shit.
He lived in Erie, when he was 12 or 13 he decided to steal a car. Not any car, the District Attorney of Erie's car.
Several hours later he pulled back into the driveway of the DA. Cops were everywhere. He didn't understand what the big deal was. He brought to car back! He had a bunch of stories and I'm glad my boys for the most part were angels in comparison.
He lived in Erie, when he was 12 or 13 he decided to steal a car. Not any car, the District Attorney of Erie's car.
Several hours later he pulled back into the driveway of the DA. Cops were everywhere. He didn't understand what the big deal was. He brought to car back! He had a bunch of stories and I'm glad my boys for the most part were angels in comparison.
It’s a good question.
Part of me says I wouldn’t rule it out, but I would run it by my President, the Board, obviously ensure the staff signed off on it, I would get a blessing from the Chamber of Commerce, the manager the Tyrone Sheetz, etc. I would make sure everyone’s on board.
But reality is that I would probably pass, too much to lose.
But I wouldn’t blame anyone for passing or giving him a chance. What I wouldn’t do is give a chance then cave from pressure. I just can’t believe that this wasn’t run by the higher ups by Koll and the AD. So either Koll is the dumbest man on the planet, or something changed. I agree that if he were a Basketball player it’s a non-issue, but all that says about the school is that it’s not any morals-based decision so there’s no high ground even by kicking him.
Shane Griffin was coming to PSU to wrestle for CS. Until he wasn't....
I'm not young (hence my name) but I'm not old enough to think you have to be married to have a kid. It's 2025, families don't all look like an episode of Happy Days anymore.
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