My point is he was throwing shade at JO for not qualifying the weight when Zain did the same thing. Glass houses and what not you know. There’s plenty bad to say about JO but that’s not really one of them
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That wasn't throwing shade at Oliver -- it was a reply to a post that basically said "Oliver has a better shot at worlds because reasons."
PSU fandom aside: it's a really specious argument. Zain won the World Cup and took 3rd at Pellicone. Oliver took 2nd at Kolov and at Pellicone. So it's not like Oliver's whatever reasons have produced significantly different results.
One major difference: Oliver is 32 -- 5 years older than Zain. The clock is not in Oliver's favor.
Right, but I meant it was JO's spot at the end there wasn't it? Which I was responding to someone who felt like JO was better internationally. He didn't fair any better.
You are absolutely right. He didn’t and hasn’t fared any better. They both have underperformed internationally I think. Going forward though I think Zain has the better chance to place. He and Nolf both seem to be improving in freestyle.
Thanks El-Jefe, I should have posted the matches here rather than on the
Why - Winning #10 - is great.... thread.
Why - Winning #10 - is great.... thread.
Gilman looked great! His positioning was solid as always, but his offense, re-attacks and defense have improved immensely over the last couple years. On the domestic freestyle side his under hook is the best on Team USA. That Gilman counter off of Vito's body lock in the second match was awfully sick. On another note, the stoppage when Gilman had the leg lace was a poor call. The only thing I can think is the Mat Chairman and/or Judge were signaling the Referee to bring them to their feet immediately before or as Gilman was executing the leg lace.
Man, I just watched Nolf vs Dake and I could have sworn Nolf won that match...I guess I just don't understand freestyle.
Dake's power and positioning makes him virtually impossible for anyone to beat. He basically always controls center and gets you to the edge, leading to 2-3 points guaranteed off shot clock and pushouts (and possibly caution 1s, who knows when the referees call those nowadays)
In the very rare case he can even be taken down, it's usually not enough. Frustrating and as much as I love Nolf and trust our coaches planning, 1 point deficits with Dake take a lot to overcome.
In the very rare case he can even be taken down, it's usually not enough. Frustrating and as much as I love Nolf and trust our coaches planning, 1 point deficits with Dake take a lot to overcome.
The other problem with Dake is getting to a leg.
Insert the Star Wars “It’s a Trap!” meme, because if you don’t blow through Dake or get the leg up off the ground like Nolf did 1x, you’re likely getting chest wrapped or crotch locked for two. It was telling how Nolf was content to let Dake basically plant his ass on his head as opposed to trying to come up, because he knows Dake is going to go for that crotch lock. And he scores a LOT from that position.
Insert the Star Wars “It’s a Trap!” meme, because if you don’t blow through Dake or get the leg up off the ground like Nolf did 1x, you’re likely getting chest wrapped or crotch locked for two. It was telling how Nolf was content to let Dake basically plant his ass on his head as opposed to trying to come up, because he knows Dake is going to go for that crotch lock. And he scores a LOT from that position.
Serious question… did Dake get taken down when he lost in Tokyo? Cant remember how his match played out.
Metzger'd from his body lock - 4 kadi
then rolled across his back trying to make something happen. - 2 kadi
landed on his back trying a throw - 1 kadi
limp arm from overhook on the edge - 2 kadi
double leg kadi, dake tried a crotch lift - 2 kadi
11-0 tech kadi
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Got teched so yes he gave up multiple TDs, turns, etc. includiing a 6 point throw.
Tom Ryan said it was a long bus ride to Tokyo.
I'm more interested in the "injury" that Dake keeps alluding to. The one that caused him to take an 11-0 beating, but the next was healed and allowed to win bronze.
That’s his Benjamin Button shiz. His first match was after the injury, his second match was before. NEXT QUESTION!
Dake’s excellence in Freestyle cannot be disputed. However, watching those matches is rock hard evidence why Freestyle sucks. Two wins without a single TD. He did absolutely nothing but “control the center” and push forward. Dake is awesome at a ridiculous style of wrestling.
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He did the same in folk. i'll take the chess match on the feet (with Nolf getting actual chances to score) - as opposed to 6 minutes of DAKE (EDITED FOR ACCURACY) dry-humping guys to a win.
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Have you ever watched Jason Nolf wrestle folk style? Based on the above, it seems not.
yikes.... Dake. Dake is the dry-humper. No lube. just goes in dry. Excuse the typo.
Not here to dispute anything about Folk or Freestyle. I think Jason is on the same kind of upward trajectory as D Taylor was, with his continued improvement in freestyle wrestling. I can definitely see him as a future Olympic and World Champion.
I agree 100%. I think DT is the comparable and that Nolf will be a world champion before he’s done. The strides he’s made in the past year are really impressive. I think he beats Dake in the next 2 years and takes the 74kg spot.
Still pretty curious about his Oly loss. Was he just outclassed, was the "injury" an excuse, what actually happened?
I’m not falling into the “closing the gap” thing we always make fun of. I’m only picking Dake to lose after he’s already lost. The dude is a badass and usually does just enough to beat awesome guys - the Olympic thing shocked me - 1st time I saw him panic
I thought I remember him saying it was a nutrition thing, anyone else remember that?
Kyle Dake On What Went Wrong Day 1, How He Turned It Around And Future At Cornell
Kyle Dake discusses his feelings about winning Bronze, comparing day 1 and day 2 and what happened in his 11-0 tech fall loss.
No. it was some "injury" - that they got fixed before day 2. Doesn't make much sense to me, but I'm also not getting younger every day.
You can see the whole match at the link below. Dake looked like he was gassed after giving up the early 6 points.
The more I see that match, the more I realize Dake just isn't built to keep an offensive pace. He'll score in bunches for sure though.
It's clear he had no idea how to handle being down by 6 - and his coaches did a terrible job of calming him down. He has the best gut outside of Sadulaev. One take down, one gut, one pushout and suddenly its 6-5.
I agree, he's not used to being in such a big hole and he panicked. The big thing was that he was using that upper body tie for years and coming up on top virtually every time. He got a little too comfortable with it, Kadimagomedov had him scouted and was ready for it.
He looks gassed after about 30 seconds. He obviously has a great gas tank but he just looks lethargic the entire match kinda just going thru the motions.
Getting younger every day does have it's down side. I have it on good authority that his testicles ascended right before the Olympic match. Very painful. Horrible timing.....some might say absolutely nuts.Kyle Dake On What Went Wrong Day 1, How He Turned It Around And Future At Cornell
Kyle Dake discusses his feelings about winning Bronze, comparing day 1 and day 2 and what happened in his 11-0 tech fall loss.www.flowrestling.org
No. it was some "injury" - that they got fixed before day 2. Doesn't make much sense to me, but I'm also not getting younger every day.
i thought somebody did a breakdown video of this match and kadi actually steps on dakes foot to stop the throw and counter. pretty savvy move, if i remember correctly
The difference is that it doesnt appear that the UWW will be adding any more weight classes for Nolf to slide into.
