Finebaum can’t be happy

[LandoComando]

You're right because it's an invitational tournament designed to make the most money not a playoff. Bama has lost 3 games. One being Vanderbilt and tonight Oklahoma. They should be out in a fair system. It's not fair. It's only about the money. It's an invitational to put together what a bunch of opinionated people think are the most entertaining and profitable games. If Army wins their conference they should be in but the "committee" will determine that nobody wants to watch Oregon vs Army etc. etc. etc. so they won't get in.

Enjoy the games but if you believe it's in anyway a playoff while you leave out conference winners you're kidding yourself.

That's it. Not going down this path with you again. I think winning matters you don't as evidenced by your advocacy of teams with 3 losses. You just want to see what you think are the most entertaining games. That's fine but it's not a playoff of the most deserving winning teams it's just a money making invitational tournament. Enjoy.

We've gone over this--what you want doesn't exist in American sports
No, Army shouldn't be in because the American isn't comparable to the Big Ten or SEC
It's not about "who will watch" it's about logic. Try to make the argument winning the MAC has more meaning that 5th in the SEC or Big Ten. We all know the 5th place team in both conferences would kill them
You essentially want to punish teams that actually play a tough schedule
Go to 24 and include all conference winners--I'm in
You don't think winning matters--you think scheduling weak opponents then beating them matters--there's a difference
Accept this isn't the 70s--college football needed this for the past 80 years. It would have been great for Penn State going back to the 60s--likely benefited us more than anything. You just don't like change and can't make a valid argument.
Army should be in over Ohio State because they played the 134th rated schedule then got crushed by ND

 

[LandoComando]

I think there's a very good shot the ACC gets two teams in after today. 4 B1G. 3 SEC, 2 ACC, 1 B12, ND, Boise.

SEC #4 with 3 losses > ACC #2 with 2 losses--assuming Miami even beats Syracuse

 

[johnmpsu]

We've gone over this--what you want doesn't exist in American sports
No, Army shouldn't be in because the American isn't comparable to the Big Ten or SEC
It's not about "who will watch" it's about logic. Try to make the argument winning the MAC has more meaning that 5th in the SEC or Big Ten. We all know the 5th place team in both conferences would kill them
You essentially want to punish teams that actually play a tough schedule
Go to 24 and include all conference winners--I'm in
You don't think winning matters--you think scheduling weak opponents then beating them matters--there's a difference
Accept this isn't the 70s--college football needed this for the past 80 years. It would have been great for Penn State going back to the 60s--likely benefited us more than anything. You just don't like change and can't make a valid argument.
Army should be in over Ohio State because they played the 134th rated schedule then got crushed by ND

Give me hard and fast predetermined rules for getting in and I might agree. That's the way all other sports do it. There is no human opinion or bias as part of the decision. My rules would say every conference winner should be given a chance to compete. I'm not a fan of wildcards aka lucky losers. I don't care who THINKS which team would win. Determine the winner on the field of play. What's wrong with including the conference winners instead of the lucky losers? The only argument against it is for entertainment and monetary reasons.

Why should the 4th place team in the SEC be given the chance to win a so called national championship? They couldn't even win their conference. I know. It keeps those fans thinking there's a chance. They spend money and create TV ratings.

 

[LandoComando]

Give me hard and fast predetermined rules for getting in and I might agree. That's the way all other sports do it. There is no human opinion or bias as part of the decision. My rules would say every conference winner should be given a chance to compete. I'm not a fan of wildcards aka lucky losers. I don't care who THINKS which team would win. Determine the winner on the field of play. What's wrong with including the conference winners instead of the lucky losers? The only argument against it is for entertainment and monetary reasons.

Why should the 4th place team in the SEC be given the chance to win a so called national championship? They couldn't even win their conference. I know. It keeps those fans thinking there's a chance. They spend money and create TV ratings.

Again if all conferences were even you'd have a point but they aren't
Again no sport in this country does what you're saying
See the 14 team proposal...it sets the requirement...top 4 in the P2 get in

 

[johnmpsu]

Again if all conferences were even you'd have a point but they aren't
Again no sport in this country does what you're saying
See the 14 team proposal...it sets the requirement...top 4 in the P2 get in

EVERY sport in the country has predetermined rules for getting into their playoff defined before the season starts. I personally don't like the lucky losers but at least you know how to qualify before a single game is played. There isn't a bunch of people in a sealed room bringing their personal biases into deciding who has earned a spot after the season ends.

Surely even you can see the value in defining the rules. There is no controversy if you know the rules going in. Can we agree on that?

While I might not think a team that doesn't win their conference should be included at least I understand why it happens. I hate wildcards but they exist for the purpose of making more money. In the end that's what it's all about in every sport

 

[joeaubie21]

Why do people get worked up over Fartbaum?

He's an idiot.

 

[psu00]

Was thinking the same how’s finebaum going to spin anothe bama loss.

He’ll start to get on the Bama coach’s case and rile up the faithful that way. He’ll then shift his attention to Tennessee and Georgia. IIRC he’s a Tennessee grad so he’ll be fine with Bama falling.

 

[lazydave841]

The irony of today was that the three teams that didn't schedule the customary game-11 out of conference cupcakes, all lost on the road, and the team that he hates so much, had probably a tougher road game than all three, PSU, won. And you just know he hates that even more.

The lesson in all of this is very simple: WINNING ON THE ROAD IS HARD.

12 ranked teams played on the road today. 6 of them lost. 4 to unranked teams. Of the 6 ranked teams that won, 4 of them won one-score games.

 

[OaktonDave]

They didn't lose to Oklahoma. It was the tough SEC schedule that got them.

The game against Mercer last week had to have taken a toll.

 

[palmettolion]

"Alabama and Ole Miss are the best 3 loss teams in the country, and we all know, being a 3 time loser in the SEC is like being undefeated in the BIG." - Finebaum, today, probably.

 

[lowhandicapper]

Paul will be attacking every 2 loss team not in the SEC this week and for weeks to come. Because everyone knows a 3 loss SEC team is better than anything else, because it is.

 

[hlstone]

I know I’m older and don’t understand things, but why are players wearing a mouth piece they have in their mouth and one they hang from their facemask. Asking for a friend

The kids think it's cool.

 

[bison13]

After today, I could see the SEC going to seven game conference schedule next year to make sure everybody gets cupcakes the last two weeks of the season. This might lead to Penn State hosting Indiana in a 512 or 611 game.

 

[demlion]

I can't be happy til someone shuts that old fool up.

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

After today, I could see the SEC going to seven game conference schedule next year to make sure everybody gets cupcakes the last two weeks of the season. This might lead to Penn State hosting Indiana in a 512 or 611 game.

They might even go to a 4 game in conference schedule.... LMAO... SUC, SUC SUC! Finebaum!

 

[knickslions]

Without some serious chaos next week Acc will be getting two in. Bama and old Miss are cooked

 

[LandoComando]

Surprisingly he said Ole Miss and Bama should be out and that only Georgia "deserves" to go with 3 losses. Deserves is still the problem. He bashed Bama for how they played. No argument about OU being good. Maybe that changes in the coming days but his first reaction.

 

[voltz99]

The Massey Composite Index is determined by a human that created the calculations
The committee works in every other college sport--it's fine

No. Should have been a four team playoff with the winner of each power conference championship. No committees and no bs. One team from the sec. Whoever wins the conference is the one team that goes,

 

[LandoComando]

No. Should have been a four team playoff with the winner of each power conference championship. No committees and no bs. One team from the sec. Whoever wins the conference is the one team that goes,

There aren't 4 power conferences--there's 2
Why the hell would any Big Ten fan be trying to claim a Big XII team should go over us this year?
You want to pitch an 8 team playoff with the top 4 in the Big Ten and SEC then I'm in but not this nonsense that the ACC and Big XII get a spot at the table.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

No. Should have been a four team playoff with the winner of each power conference championship. No committees and no bs. One team from the sec. Whoever wins the conference is the one team that goes,

4 teams from 130 with over half of them being eliminated from a "Playoff" before they even play a game??? So you're telling me a "Playoff" that considers only 3% of its eligible universe as being "deserving" for playing for the Championship is reasonable??? Tell me any other sport that would determine a Playoff Championship this way??? Complete bull$hit that allowing the top-decile teams to play it out on the field is not a standard Playoff format - seeding and byes rewards the best Conference Champions, not the laughable bullshit you're claiming.

 

[Delcolion915]

There is no chance Finebaum is happy. Everything that could go wrong, did go wrong, and even the shit that could NOT go wrong, went wrong.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

Give me hard and fast predetermined rules for getting in and I might agree. That's the way all other sports do it. There is no human opinion or bias as part of the decision. My rules would say every conference winner should be given a chance to compete. I'm not a fan of wildcards aka lucky losers. I don't care who THINKS which team would win. Determine the winner on the field of play. What's wrong with including the conference winners instead of the lucky losers? The only argument against it is for entertainment and monetary reasons.

Why should the 4th place team in the SEC be given the chance to win a so called national championship? They couldn't even win their conference. I know. It keeps those fans thinking there's a chance. They spend money and create TV ratings.

I can give you some hard and fast rules. It's simple. There is something called the Massey Composite (computer) Rankings. Look at that list. Here is a link to the latest rankings.

Massey takes into account strength-of-schedule. It's fair because, once the season begins, humans can't interfere with it and change the results to make it "the best games" or "the strongest teams based on the eye test" etc. It is results-based. Most will probably argue against the rankings, but that is exactly what we should expect from something that is fair and balance. No one gets to be perfectly happy. It's a lot like democracy.

We currently have a problem because some bureaucratic committee gets to make selections based on their individual biases. A computer-based system is the product of statisticians, not bureaucrats, not conference talking heads, nor anyone else that might have a personal agenda. @LandoComando likes the bureaucracy because he likes to have debates and be opinionated. Using a computer system would shut him down on this subject.

 

[OaktonDave]

Surprisingly he said Ole Miss and Bama should be out and that only Georgia "deserves" to go with 3 losses. Deserves is still the problem. He bashed Bama for how they played. No argument about OU being good. Maybe that changes in the coming days but his first reaction.

The case for both is now limited to their wins over UGA. Of the 6 losses between them, the only one that one could argue came at the hands of a good team is Bama's loss to Tennessee. You can't have multiple bad losses and still argue you deserve a place in the CFP. I don't see UGA losing to UT or TAMU (bad match-ups for both) in the SEC title game, so even if they would somehow manage to lose to GT, the SEC title will get them in.

 

[LandoComando]

I can give you some hard and fast rules. It's simple. There is something called the Massey Composite (computer) Rankings. Look at that list. Here is a link to the latest rankings.

Massey takes into account strength-of-schedule. It's fair because, once the season begins, humans can't interfere with it and change the results to make it "the best games" or "the strongest teams based on the eye test" etc. It is results-based. Most will probably argue against the rankings, but that is exactly what we should expect from something that is fair and balance. No one gets to be perfectly happy. It's a lot like democracy.

We currently have a problem because some bureaucratic committee gets to make selections based on their individual biases. A computer-based system is the product of statisticians, not bureaucrats, not conference talking heads, nor anyone else that might have a personal agenda. @LandoComando likes the bureaucracy because he likes to have debates and be opinionated. Using a computer system would shut him down on this subject.

Do you get paid for selling this? Lol
Again, these are flawed like everything else
And actually ideally I want a 12 team playoff with just the SEC/Big Ten with the top 6 of each getting in and you only play your conference so not looking for debates. I just want levels in FBS.
If I didn't think computer rankings were flawed I'd be on boar.

 

[mgkpsu]

"Alabama and Ole Miss are the best 3 loss teams in the country, and we all know, being a 3 time loser in the SEC is like being undefeated in the BIG." - Finebaum, today, probably.

He said there is really no argument to be made for Alabama or Ole Miss at this point. He also said that if Georgia loses the SEC championship game to Texas, they could have an argument as a 3 loss team. For once he was realistic.

 

[LandoComando]

The case for both is now limited to their wins over UGA. Of the 6 losses between them, the only one that one could argue came at the hands of good team is Bama's loss to Tennessee. You can't have multiple bad losses and still argue you deserve a place in the CFP. I don't see UGA losing to UT or TAMU (bad match-ups for both) in the SEC title game, so even if they would somehow manage to lose to GT, the SEC title will get them in.

Why can you have 1 bad loss with decent win? Sell SMU or Miami

 

[AWS1022]

4 teams from 130 with over half of them being eliminated from a "Playoff" before they even play a game??? So you're telling me a "Playoff" that considers only 3% of its eligible universe as being "deserving" for playing for the Championship is reasonable??? Tell me any other sport that would determine a Playoff Championship this way??? Complete bull$hit that allowing the top-decile teams to play it out on the field is not a standard Playoff format - seeding and byes rewards the best Conference Champions, not the laughable bullshit you're claiming.

It may not be ideal, but the way college football is set up, it’s the only way to have a legit NC. There’s no other way to have all the teams earn their way in.

 

[LandoComando]

It may not be ideal, but the way college football is set up, it’s the only way to have a legit NC. There’s no other way to have all the teams earn their way in.

You can "earn" it if the new proposal is accepted where the top 4 in the SEC/Big Ten get autobids--you know what to do to earn it

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

Do you get paid for selling this? Lol
Again, these are flawed like everything else
And actually ideally I want a 12 team playoff with just the SEC/Big Ten with the top 6 of each getting in and you only play your conference so not looking for debates. I just want levels in FBS.
If I didn't think computer rankings were flawed I'd be on boar.

The issue isn't that they are flawless. It is simply that a true hard and fast system like this particular composite is less flawed than a bureaucratic committee that comes with its bias.

And no I am not paid, but I did spend a career that involved handling raw data, screening, modeling, statistics, and forward projections. I developed specialized algorithms to replace human judgment. This was needed for automation.

 

[OaktonDave]

Why can you have 1 bad loss with decent win? Sell SMU or Miami

I wouldn't put more than 1 ACC team in. If had my druthers, the ACC and B12 champs wouldn't get a bye, either.

 

[IANit]

Lambert Smith game winner. Auburn wins in 4th ot

He can reminisce about that when he's sitting home for the playoffs and probably missing a bowl game too.

 

[voltz99]

4 teams from 130 with over half of them being eliminated from a "Playoff" before they even play a game??? So you're telling me a "Playoff" that considers only 3% of its eligible universe as being "deserving" for playing for the Championship is reasonable??? Tell me any other sport that would determine a Playoff Championship this way??? Complete bull$hit that allowing the top-decile teams to play it out on the field is not a standard Playoff format - seeding and byes rewards the best Conference Champions, not the laughable bullshit you're claiming.

They are not eliminated before they play a game. They are eliminated throughout the season on MERIT just like now. Right now 115 of the 130 are already eliminated. About 15 are still in the conversation for 12 spots. Your plan lets some pinhead pick the playoff teams. Your plan also makes conference shampionships irrelevant. My plan eliminates the bs and the playoff teams are determined on the field.

 

[PurposePitch]

They are not eliminated before they play a game. They are eliminated throughout the season on MERIT just like now. Right now 115 of the 130 are already eliminated. About 15 are still in the conversation for 12 spots. Your plan lets some pinhead pick the playoff teams. Your plan also makes conference shampionships irrelevant. My plan eliminates the bs and the playoff teams are determined on the field.

Sparky, you eliminated all non-"power-4"-conference members before the season started. That's stupid.

Regardless, any system that only includes conference champions when all teams in a conference don't play each other is an absolute turdbomb of an idea.

 

[AWS1022]

Sparky, you eliminated all non-"power-4"-conference members before the season started. That's stupid.

Regardless, any system that only includes conference champions when all teams in a conference don't play each other is an absolute turdbomb of an idea.

Then explain how it can work fairly to everyone.

 

[LandoComando]

Then explain how it can work fairly to everyone.

Split FBS into 3 levels
Or have a 24 team playoff with 10 auto bid

 

[RickinDayton]

Again if all conferences were even you'd have a point but they aren't
Again no sport in this country does what you're saying
See the 14 team proposal...it sets the requirement...top 4 in the P2 get in

College basketball takes all Conference champions (regular season or conference tournament) and then fills in the rest based on polls and power rankings.

 

[LandoComando]

College basketball takes all Conference champions (regular season or conference tournament) and then fills in the rest based on polls and power rankings.

I'm all for a 24 team playoff like FCS with 10 auto bids

 

[rrdd2021]

Was thinking the same how’s finebaum going to spin anothe bama loss.

He'll find some BS way and he's good at it.

 

[Hawkeybrokenglasses69]

I'm all for a 24 team playoff like FCS with 10 auto bids

How many games do you want these kids to play? This isn’t basketball and these big schools aren’t going to reduce their regular season home game money

 

[LandoComando]

How many games do you want these kids to play? This isn’t basketball and these big schools aren’t going to reduce their regular season home game money

FCS does it
Cut the CCGs and we're fine
And they can absolutely cut the season to 11 with the extra money from that TV contract but they don't need to. A 24 team playoff is at max 1 more game