Finebaum can’t be happy

[voltz99]

Sparky, you eliminated all non-"power-4"-conference members before the season started. That's stupid.

Regardless, any system that only includes conference champions when all teams in a conference don't play each other is an absolute turdbomb of an idea.

Yea. Div 1aa is eliminated. Oh well. After week 1 , half of them are eliminated with your plan. Week 2 another half and so on. Who is the last 1aa team that you picked to win a championship?

They can join a power conference. Might even go 6-6 in a good year.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

It may not be ideal, but the way college football is set up, it’s the only way to have a legit NC. There’s no other way to have all the teams earn their way in.

They should just go to 24 teams already.... B1G and SEC guaranteed 4 each. ACC and B12 guaranteed 2 each, remaining 12 based on CFP Rankings. Seeds based on CFP Rankings with top 8 getting byes (i.e., 1-8 get a bye to 2nd Round of a 16 team playoff with #8 playing 9v24 winner, #7 playing 10v23 winner......etc to #1 playing 16v17 winner).

 

[LandoComando]

Yea. Div 1aa is eliminated. Oh well. Who is the last 1aa team that you picked to win a championship?

They can join a power conference. Might even go 6-6 in a good year.

Then eliminate everyone other the Big Ten and SEC. Stop the charity with them.

 

[AWS1022]

They should just go to 24 teams already.... B1G and SEC guaranteed 4 each. ACC and B12 guaranteed 2 each, remaining 12 based on CFP Rankings. Seeds based on CFP Rankings with top 8 getting byes (i.e., 1-8 get a bye to 2nd Round of a 16 team playoff with #8 playing 9v24 winner, #7 playing 10v23 winner......etc to #1 playing 16v17 winner).

Still a lot of subjectivity involved in who makes it. Until there’s a way for teams to know what they have to do to get into the playoffs, they need to just go with the four conference winners.

 

[RickinDayton]

How many games do you want these kids to play? This isn’t basketball and these big schools aren’t going to reduce their regular season home game money

Well if they go to 16 team playoff then maybe the regular season is reduced by one game.

 

[LandoComando]

Seriously...17 games is the max now. If we eliminated CCGs 17 games is the max with a 24 team playoff.

 

[PurposePitch]

Yea. Div 1aa is eliminated. Oh well. After week 1 , half of them are eliminated with your plan. Week 2 another half and so on. Who is the last 1aa team that you picked to win a championship?

They can join a power conference. Might even go 6-6 in a good year.

Wait ... what's my plan?

 

[PurposePitch]

Then explain how it can work fairly to everyone.

If only conference winners are allowed to be part of the playoff? Force all conferences to be of the size that each conference member plays each other conference member during the season. A variant, if you want to continue the atrocities that are today's megaconferences ... force all conferences too large to allow each member to play each other member to split into divisions where each division member plays each other division member - and those division winners advance to the playoff.

 

[AWS1022]

If only conference winners are allowed to be part of the playoff? Force all conferences to be of the size that each conference member plays each other conference member during the season. A variant, if you want to continue the atrocities that are today's megaconferences ... force all conferences too large to allow each member to play each other member to split into divisions where each division member plays each other division member - and those division winners advance to the playoff.

I didn’t mean with just conference winners, I was responding to people who think there should be at large bids.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Still a lot of subjectivity involved in who makes it. Until there’s a way for teams to know what they have to do to get into the playoffs, they need to just go with the four conference winners.

Lot of subjectivity??? Maybe between who the 23rd or 24th best team is, but there would be very little subjectivity regarding the top 16.

 

[AWS1022]

Lot of subjectivity??? Maybe between who the 23rd or 24th best team is, but there would be very little subjectivity regarding the top 16.

Then how is it decided? Rankings? That’s completely subjective.

 

[PurposePitch]

I didn’t mean with just conference winners, I was responding to people who think there should be at large bids.

I think any system that has a bunch of teams that are supposed to be on one level ... and a portion of those teams gather together to exclude over half those teams from consideration for postseason participation is absolute, inexcusable horse caca.

It's artificial bullshit.

If you don't allow everyone equal access, and don't require everyone to play everyone in a grouping, then there isn't anything near a "true" national champion ... so why not just subjectively pick and choose who you think is the bestest and let them slap it out? At that point, sense and fair play is already out the window, so why not just do whatever makes the most money?

 

[johnmpsu]

I think any system that has a bunch of teams that are supposed to be on one level ... and a portion of those teams gather together to exclude over half those teams from consideration for postseason participation is absolute, inexcusable horse caca.

It's artificial bullshit.

If you don't allow everyone equal access, and don't require everyone to play everyone in a grouping, then there isn't anything near a "true" national champion ... so why not just subjectively pick and choose who you think is the bestest and let them slap it out? At that point, sense and fair play is already out the window, so why not just do whatever makes the most money?

That's what they do now. They should call it what it is. An end of season invitational tournament. It's entertaining and makes a whole lot of money.

 

[doctornick]

Or we can just dispense with the pretense of there being a “national champion” (as it remains mythical as it always has been) and end the stupid CFP. The sport was better when teams just had a goal of winning as many games as possible, defeating rivals, earning a bowl game, etc.

 

[RickinDayton]

Or we can just dispense with the pretense of there being a “national champion” (as it remains mythical as it always has been) and end the stupid CFP. The sport was better when teams just had a goal of winning as many games as possible, defeating rivals, earning a bowl game, etc.

I liked the old way but there is no turning back.

 

[LandoComando]

Or we can just dispense with the pretense of there being a “national champion” (as it remains mythical as it always has been) and end the stupid CFP. The sport was better when teams just had a goal of winning as many games as possible, defeating rivals, earning a bowl game, etc.

Definitely an opinion not a fact. The larger the playoff the better IMO. There's more meaningful games

 

[fastlax16]

Or we can just dispense with the pretense of there being a “national champion” (as it remains mythical as it always has been) and end the stupid CFP. The sport was better when teams just had a goal of winning as many games as possible, defeating rivals, earning a bowl game, etc.

That's why people on here still bitch about 1994.

 

[doctornick]

That's why people on here still bitch about 1994.

I don’t. 1994 was a fantastic year for PSU. I don’t need some sort of external validation to recognize the greatness and have enjoyed that. But again, I fully recognize that 1-A has always had and continues to have only a “mythical national champion”

 

[PurposePitch]

I don’t. 1994 was a fantastic year for PSU. I don’t need some sort of external validation to recognize the greatness and have enjoyed that. But again, I fully recognize that 1-A has always had and continues to have only a “mythical national champion”

OK, what would make a national championship non-mythical?

 

[AWS1022]

OK, what would make a national championship non-mythical?

Easy, the four conference winners have a playoff. Then there’s nothing subjective about it….win your conference, you’re in.

 

[LandoComando]

I don’t. 1994 was a fantastic year for PSU. I don’t need some sort of external validation to recognize the greatness and have enjoyed that. But again, I fully recognize that 1-A has always had and continues to have only a “mythical national champion”

How is it mythical at this point?

 

[LandoComando]

Easy, the four conference winners have a playoff. Then there’s nothing subjective about it….win your conference, you’re in.

You're leaving out conferences so that doesn't work. In what sport is winning a conference a requirement?

 

[AWS1022]

Or we can just dispense with the pretense of there being a “national champion” (as it remains mythical as it always has been) and end the stupid CFP. The sport was better when teams just had a goal of winning as many games as possible, defeating rivals, earning a bowl game, etc.

Just make winning your conference all that matters.

 

[PurposePitch]

Easy, the four conference winners have a playoff. Then there’s nothing subjective about it….win your conference, you’re in.

There are more than four conferences.

 

[AWS1022]

There are more than four conferences.

Not really. They G5 teams should have their own NC.

 

[Marylovesthelions]

‘Bama trying to throw away its playoff chances.

losing 24-3 to a 5 win team is not a top 20 team.

 

[PurposePitch]

Not really. They G5 teams should have their own NC.

Not to mention that, as constructed, those four conferences currently leave almost half (or half) the conference members having not even played each other, so it's a ridiculous notion that there's nothing subjective or incomplete about that, even if you forget that you're cutting out over half the teams before the season starts.

Hey, why not just have the Big Ten declare its winner the National Champions. And then the SEC winner can be the other National Champions. And so on. Nothing mythical about that.

 

[KnightWhoSaysNit]

You're leaving out conferences so that doesn't work. In what sport is winning a conference a requirement?

College football is unique because there are a very limited number of games and nothing to balance the strength throughout the "league." It should not be compared to other sports. A strength of schedule algorithm must involved in the rankings.

Due to having limited data and a need for "judgment" it would be best to give up the committee power and let an algorithm do the selections. At least everyone would know in advance that any win or loss could affect their seeding, but that no arguments with bias are involved. That is done up front and left in place. You can always look at the results of past rankings and debate whether the algorithms should be adjusted.

If we want conference championships to become a heavily weighted part of the basis, as it will be this year, then it really isn't fair unless the conferences are balanced. Clearly they are not and never will be balanced.

So to call it anything but a post-season invitational is to call it something that it is not. Is it better than previous systems? Yes. Is it truly fair to every school involved? No.

 

[AWS1022]

Not to mention that, as constructed, those four conferences currently leave almost half (or half) the conference members having not even played each other, so it's a ridiculous notion that there's nothing subjective or incomplete about that, even if you forget that you're cutting out over half the teams before the season starts.

Hey, why not just have the Big Ten declare its winner the National Champions. And then the SEC winner can be the other National Champions. And so on. Nothing mythical about that.

Of course that’s up to each conference to determine how they come up with a champion. Then the champions play each other for the overall champion.

 

[PurposePitch]

Of course that’s up to each conference to determine how they come up with a champion. Then the champions play each other for the overall champion.

Nope. The Big Ten just determined they don't need the other conferences, and the winner of that conference is the (non-mythical) National Champion.

 

[doctornick]

OK, what would make a national championship non-mythical?

A proper playoff like they have in 1-AA which includes all conference champions automatically included.

But I'm not particularly interested in that either. To me, part of the amazing beauty of college football was that it was different from all other sports - the importance of the regular season, the principle of just winning as many games as possible, having a nice bonus post-season where half the teams finished on a high note of winning a bowl game. It was a thing of beauty before too many people clamored that it being unique was somehow wrong and it needed to emulate the NFL more and more.

I hate the move to be just like every other sport. It sucks.

 

[doctornick]

Just make winning your conference all that matters.

To me, it actually is more important than the silly CFP. It is at least something tangible, won on the field, with prescribed conditions to achieve it.

Edit: I'll also say I hate that conferences have become so large and unwieldy as to make conference championships less ideal.

 

[PurposePitch]

A proper playoff like they have in 1-AA which includes all conference champions automatically included.

But I'm not particularly interested in that either. To me, part of the amazing beauty of college football was that it was different from all other sports - the importance of the regular season, the principle of just winning as many games as possible, having a nice bonus post-season where half the teams finished on a high note of winning a bowl game. It was a thing of beauty before too many people clamored that it being unique was somehow wrong and it needed to emulate the NFL more and more.

I hate the move to be just like every other sport. It sucks.

So even in a situation where half the conference didn't play each other, that would still be a non-mythical champion? Okey doke.

Regardless, I hated the bowl structure. I hate the "Oops, I Crapped My Pants Peach Bowl." I hate parades. I hate randos deciding "oh, this team should play that team ... oh, screw that other team ... they don't bring enough fans." I hate dum dums arguing that this team is better ... no that team is better ... without any way to actually decide it on the field.

 

[84Lion]

Still a lot of subjectivity involved in who makes it. Until there’s a way for teams to know what they have to do to get into the playoffs, they need to just go with the four conference winners.

I was thinking about this today. In the NFL, each team knows what they have to do to attain the playoffs. As the season progresses, some teams put themselves in a position to be eligible for the playoffs while others drop out of playoff eligibility. Some of the end of season requirements for teams to make the playoffs are convoluted but they're known.

This system just rewards winning, but the problem is that there are other "semi-known" things like "strength of schedule" (not to mention the Herbstreit (TM) "Eye Test") which means that a team with fewer losses might wind up ranked below a team or teams with greater number of losses. See this week where Miami and SMU were ranked lower than Alabama, despite having better records.

Need to get the Committee out of the CFP. I agree with the idea of an "algorithm." Subjectivity needs to be reduced (to zero if possible).

 

[LandoComando]

Of course that’s up to each conference to determine how they come up with a champion. Then the champions play each other for the overall champion.

That doesn't even make sense--very few things here do lately though

 

[Hawkeybrokenglasses69]

FCS does it
Cut the CCGs and we're fine
And they can absolutely cut the season to 11 with the extra money from that TV contract but they don't need to. A 24 team playoff is at max 1 more game

FCs is not the cash cow big programs are. No way are they giving up home games. 24 is way too many. There are only a 8 that can actually win it at most yearly.

 

[LandoComando]

FCs is not the cash cow big programs are. No way are they giving up home games. 24 is way too many. There are only a 8 that can actually win it at most yearly.

If you want all conference champs 24 is the solution.
And you dont have to give up a home game. You can still play 12 and the max remains 17 by cutting CCGs...the money from the playoff more than covers that

 

[Gitzit]

The SEC is 68 and 36 vs the Big Ten in bowl games. I think that should be taken into consideration. Actually, it will be probably be taken into consideration in the coming years playoff games if the Big Ten has similar results.

 

[KCLion]

The SEC is 68 and 36 vs the Big Ten in bowl games. I think that should be taken into consideration. Actually, it will be probably be taken into consideration in the coming years playoff games if the Big Ten has similar results.

Take out the years that opt outs became a common occurrence. I know that PSU lost to ole miss and ark and couldn’t have cared less before the games started.

 

[LandoComando]

The SEC is 68 and 36 vs the Big Ten in bowl games. I think that should be taken into consideration. Actually, it will be probably be taken into consideration in the coming years playoff games if the Big Ten has similar results.

Why do we care who wins a scrimmage
Look at the playoff record
No one is considering bowl records in anything