Fleming not too kind to PSU
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There may be parallels to other highly-ranked PA kids that dominated against lower-level HS talent. It wouldn’t be the first time a PA 5-star came to big time CFB and found it hard to transition.
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Those highlights don't convince me that he's the best WR in the country. Especially when I know he's playing at AA and what that means in central PA.
Sorry to see him go, but, whatever.
No offense but your post is a lot of blah blah blah. OSU got blown out by Purdue!!! PSU lost very close games to the top schools in the division. The receiver coach drama is the only truth in his reasoning. OSU has a new HC, OC (yeah Wilson is still there but they hired over him anyway), DC and Hartline was a first time receiver coach last year. I’m fine with him going where he’s comfortable but don’t give bs excuses that can be refuted about the program you’ve been around for 3 yrs now. In this day and age of recruiting any family that allows a rival coach to tell them anything about another program should be suspect.
New comments from Fleming in PL. "Didnt feel at home at PSU.
“With me being a Pa. kid I did feel an obligation to go to Penn State, but when it was all crunched and said and done I didn’t feel at home there. I felt home at Ohio State,” Fleming added. “I’m a Pa. kid and I’m leaving Pa. and everybody is going to have their hard feelings but it’s going to be whatever. It was my decision and I’m just going to have a good time and hopefully have a successful career.”
“With me being a Pa. kid I did feel an obligation to go to Penn State, but when it was all crunched and said and done I didn’t feel at home there. I felt home at Ohio State,” Fleming added. “I’m a Pa. kid and I’m leaving Pa. and everybody is going to have their hard feelings but it’s going to be whatever. It was my decision and I’m just going to have a good time and hopefully have a successful career.”
I would imagine the NCAA will allow a no sit time transfer if the OS qb is not playing as advertised.
No issues with players going anywhere they want to go. As someone stated earlier he shouldn't have tried to tell explain why to the press. No big deal , maybe this will give our new QB coach bulletin board material. Also maybe lesson learned .
OSU did get blown out by Purdue....the only game they lost. They were 12-1 and won a NY6 bowl game. They beat us regularly (close games or not) and always finish ranked higher than us. We have a ways to go to get on their level. In the end, that’s what this was all about. No offense, but wake up already.
So Fleming is the price we pay for getting Cain, Ford, Dunmore, etc... It is what it is.
Coaching instability?At what school was the head coach suspended for 3 games due to his inability to properly supervise his assistant coaches. Then he lied about what he knew and when he knew it? At what school was the receiving coach fired about a year ago, for among other things....alleged spousal abuse?
What school has a new head coach....not just new to this school.....
Sorry his stated reason make no sense. Don't get me wrong, he didn't need to give reasons. But his statements are inane.
What school has a new head coach....not just new to this school.....
Sorry his stated reason make no sense. Don't get me wrong, he didn't need to give reasons. But his statements are inane.
They were blown out by Oklahoma and Iowa the year before that. For the last 3 years only Bama has had a better 4-year recruiting average on their roster (so 7 years of recruiting classes). You know what that got them? 1 trip with 31-0 blowout loss in the playoff. Sorry, but if you have the 2nd best recruits for a 7 year period, those results flat out suck.
Penn State on the other hand, has overperformed their recruiting talent by +20 spots over the last 3 years. Bottom line, if recruits are smart enough to go to an overachieving team like PSU over an underachieving team like Ohio St, then you get a chance at national championships. This is EXACTLY what has occurred at Clemson. They overachieved but didn't have quite enough talent to get to the playoff until their recruiting took a jump into the top 10. Then it was championship time. Another 5 star at Ohio St makes zero difference and they can be a 2nd tier team nationally again for the nth time.
If I recall, Dotson played a good bit as a true freshman. He’s 19 yrs old, he can say what he wants. Next man up
In the last 7 seasons OSU has lost a total of 9 football games. Nine. They’ve finished in the top 10 in 6 of those years and in the top 5 in 5 of them, with one national championship. They went to a NY6 Bowl 6 of those years and won 4 of them. They were ineligible for a bowl game the 7th year (they were 12-0 that year). But you say they are 2nd tier and their results suck? Okey dokey. I hate them too, but the worst thing you can say about them is that they aren’t Alabama or Clemson.
Like I said this is not the end of the world. We have 5* Shorter, Hamler, and other promising young WRs and other highly rated targets within reach. But make no mistake this was a loss. The comments that Fleming is overrated, he played against small DBs, etc. are ridiculous.
Well, if he didn’t feel at home at PSU after, what, 15-20 visits, then it’s good that he went elsewhere.
I want players that want to be at PSU, that bleed blue and white.....I don’t want players that just “settle” for PSU.
It’s Fleming’s loss, not PSU’s loss.
Doubt that Fleming looked at it that analytically. Would also guess that if an attempt to make a case to him in that manner, he'd glaze over in six seconds flat.
Here's Art's First Law of Recruiting, based on no analysis whatsoever: the longer it takes a coach to make a case for his program to a recruit, the lower the likelihood that he'll land that recruit.
It is a loss because Franklin clearly wanted him. That doesn’t mean he isn’t overrated however. That can only be determined over time in his career.
Saying flat out that he is overrated is too much. Expressing caution for the hype that has been heaped on him considering he plays AA ball against kids that will never play football after high school isn't. And he absolutely plays against small/slow DB's and defenses, that's just a fact. You're going to see that at the central PA AA level.
He's very talented but there are certainly several reasons to be cautious about him being named the best WR in the country.
Meh. We talk about how Penn State is different. It isn't for everybody. Everyone was bent out of shape about Terrell pryor, but now, in hindsight, not many wish that he chose Penn State. No idea what is in Fleming's head, but he clearly didn't buy into what Penn State IS, which is more than football. Good luck to him in life, just not on the Saturday's when they play blue and white.
4.63 40 at the Opening Regional. He’s not going to stretch the field.
And 8 years ago they had a losing record. Why was that not included in your data? Considering that losing season coincided with the last time Ohio St has a coach get pushed out in a scandal and replaced by a 1st time head coach, it appears more relevant than Urban Meyer's first season the next year. Both are now ancient history but the losing season under Fickell is about the exact same situation as this coming year.
Now PSU hasn't had a losing season 2004.
And yes, in the last 3 years, the most relevant 3 years, Ohio St has underperformed with the 2nd best 4-year recruiting talent in the entire NCAA. Do you realize last year they were blown out by Purdue whose 4-year recruiting class average was worse than Ohio St's and 60+ other teams. Purdue had ONE 4-star recruit in 4 years to Ohio St's 10 5-stars and 64 4-stars. Purdue blew them out. The previous year Ohio St was blown out by Oklahoma and Iowa. Many of those Ohio St losses just weren't competitive with teams that all had much less talent on their rosters. That is underperforming.
Absolutely. I remember when I was in HS and Bishop McDevitt had Raki Nelson, who was dominating all kinds of games and headed to Notre Dame. I think he was a very big recruit. Everyone was sure he was a difference-maker. Pretty much never heard about him again. And he played against way better competition in HS than what Southern Columbia would face.
So he thinks 5* kids are entitled to playing time as true Freshmen?
After reading that article, I'm okay with him going elsewhere.
After reading that article, I'm okay with him going elsewhere.
That's another one of the reasons to show caution about his predicted college success.
I hate slandering one of or own, however Lamont Wade was hyped as being a beast lockdown corner. Blowing up all the camps, dominating during high school regular season, rated a 5 star by some services, etc. He gets here and isn't fast enough to play corner and has been little more than a special teams player. Not to mention, as someone else so eloquently put it, "low key bitching" with his 5 star attitude because his 3 or 4 star abilities didn't get him a starting position fast enough. Still has this year to put it all together though and I hope he does.
The Fleming hype reminds me a little of the Wade hype with some of the similarities.
If what they are doing is “underperforming”, give me a whole bunch of it. Your argument is weak, and I’m being kind.
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The last 3 years we played them to a virtual stalemate while Ohio St had 75% more 4 stars on their roster and more than 3 times as many 5 stars as we did. We had very similar season results over that period as well.
What do you think happens if the talent is much closer to even? We'll find out in a couple of years when all of our classes are top 10 and their average is still top 2 or 3 at worst. But the comparison of AP results to 4 year recruiting class average (AP - 4 years class average rank) clearly shows PSU as a strong overachiever +20 and Ohio St -6 as a slight underachiever over the past 3 seasons. The stats are not debatable. These are the results.
I'll give you a preview. Clemson was on the cusp when they had our talent level, with similar results overachieving. When their recruiting average hit top 10, they went on a 2 of the last 3 national championship run.
Ohio St can't really perform better by recruiting better. They already have more talent than anyone not named Bama. PSU on the other hand has been steadily climbing towards that top 10 recruiting level for the full 4 year roster. That will absolutely make a difference in our results. We are now where Clemson was 5 years ago.
Fleming is a loss, no doubt. I've just never believed that one recruit makes or breaks a team... but I would never put down a recruit or his decision.
So what PL was hoping for PSU backlash and hit Fleming instead. So they come up with Part 2 press conference spin. . They just suck
I can accept all his other "announced" reasons for his decision, but saying he didnt feel home at PSU? I've never heard a top recruit say that about PSU, especially one who was such a major focus.
He felt so out of place at Penn State, that he visited 2 dozen times.
Honestly, I don't think he was prepared for the "backlash" or the consequences of his decision and now he feels the need to back fill or justify. First of all, someone should have cautioned him that there are nut cases out there....they are called fan(atics). These are the same individuals who treat these kids like rock stars. They are unhinged.
Secondly, he has no need to justify his decision. He'd have been better served with no explanation at all. Its his choice. His stated reasons portray him in bad light, IMO. I'm actually a little sorry for him. Those words will live on.
