FLO - 125 Preview & Predictions
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It is great stuff, and I'm more than ready for the rubber-to-hit-the-road. Videos and the written word do nothing for me except excite me for the upcoming season.
Nick still hasn't wrestled a college match, so I temper my enthusiasm with that fact. I didn't do a "prediction" this year, as I was time-constrained with some family matters, but my quick opinion of 125 is that Gilman will separate himself. May not win against the 2-10 guys by major or better every match, but he'll definitely be gunning for the elusive NC his senior season, much like Nico last year. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he goes undefeated. We should all expect Nick to show moments of being a true freshman, but I personally don't expect many, and he'll reach the national tourney no longer a freshman, and a force to be reckoned with after a full season under his belt. Finishing as high as #2 might be a little stretch, but heck, he has the goods (credentials) to pull it off, much like another true frosh from 2012.
Nick still hasn't wrestled a college match, so I temper my enthusiasm with that fact. I didn't do a "prediction" this year, as I was time-constrained with some family matters, but my quick opinion of 125 is that Gilman will separate himself. May not win against the 2-10 guys by major or better every match, but he'll definitely be gunning for the elusive NC his senior season, much like Nico last year. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he goes undefeated. We should all expect Nick to show moments of being a true freshman, but I personally don't expect many, and he'll reach the national tourney no longer a freshman, and a force to be reckoned with after a full season under his belt. Finishing as high as #2 might be a little stretch, but heck, he has the goods (credentials) to pull it off, much like another true frosh from 2012.
The thing is Suriano's top control and defense are so good that he'll be a contender. Only issue with him is I think his style will lend him to being in a lot of tight matches, and all it takes is one wrong move to lose it. He's so good at avoiding TDs and is strong as heck for a 125er though. I think he'll end up at 133 but I wouldn't rule him out of standing at the top of the podium.
Gilman should be the favorite, for obvious reasons.
Gilman should be the favorite, for obvious reasons.
What I remember is Cael being quoted in the articles on NS committment to the effect "We expect him to be great, and to be great right away."
Heady stuff.
Heady stuff.
not even just 159-0, being taken down 1 time in 4 years and those being the only offensive points he gave up in that period. I can't wait to see what Cael can do with him.
Vito Arujau is one tough wrestler. Cornell is getting a good one, and it will be interesting to see if that rivalry continues in college.
Depends if suriano would move up during his career and if Vito will be a 133 in college
An amazing feat, but just for accuracy, he was tossed to his back and gave up two back points along with the takedown.
Has Spencer Lee ever given up a takedown to a kid during his high school season? Did Marsteller?
Not sure. Obviously Lee hasn't lost. Lee/Suriano will be a fun one in the future.
Offhand, I know Brill took down Marsteller at states, possibly twice in that match.
Marsteller was taken down by Brian Brill during the state finals his freshman year. Probably another time or two also.
I think Spencer was taken down his freshman year also - maybe at Ironman by an Ohio kid, but I don't remember the details exactly. Maybe another time also.
Thanks. I remembered Wiercioch getting in on multiple deep singles right after Chance had come back from injury, but didn't remember Brill getting a td during that match.
Outside of regular h.s. matches, iirc, Lee and Suriano split 1-pt decisions as did Suriano-Pletcher
Brill got one in the first, I think it was the opening score, and I think got another in the 3rd.
Cael "can't coach", remember ?
Cael just recruits Top 10 kids and tosses them into the lineup then just idly stands around & watches what happens next ....
.... at least that's what they say on Hawkeye Report.
Most of them have come around. Jammen, on the other hand, still is tilting at that Windmill.
Dual windmills anyway. Tournament windmills he's not ready to tilt at just yet.
Suriano is on a MISSION to beat Gilman...I am calling it now guys....You would not believe how hard this young man works...HE IS ON A FREAKIN MISSION !!!!
let's hope he never goes up to 133. #teamdivided
Nick has all the tools he needs to be great. The one thing Nick has that Nico was missing - Nick gets to wrestle with and learn from Nico.
Spyker.....just to make sure I don't misunderstand what you're saying.......SURIANO IS GOING TO PUT A FULL COURT PRESS ON GILMAN!!!!!!!!!
Tend to agree about not having wrestled a collegiate match... Being undefeated in high school matches means very little in the way of predicting how NS will fare against battle tested NCAA veterans. Not saying it says he can't compete either, but we'll know more when he faces Schram early on - Schram will be the best folk-style wrestler Nick has ever faced @125 imho. Until we see exactly how Nick performs against battle-hardened NCAA wrestlers, it's a bit of an unknown imho. One thing that gives me pause is that Nick is a little like Dance - great wrestler no doubt, but not the most dynamic offensive wrestler you're ever going to see (especially against other great meat-grinders like a Gilman or Dance) - the more experienced top-end NCAA wrestlers have the edge in ultra-low scoring affairs often. We'll just have to see - again, his match against Schram will be very telling as to how he is going to strategically attack top-end, battle-hardened NCAA guys. We'll know much more after that match imho.
Lofty expectations for sure. Cael watches him every day and has no doubt seen many goes vs Nico and JC. Cael, having watched these, believes NS will compete for a national title. How many times has Cael praised a true frosh and thought he could compete with the best? Nico, Andrew Alton, and Zain are the three who come to my mind. All three were right there with the big boys but AA fell short of his own expectations. Cael has a fairly solid track record for picking guys who can win early and often.
I'll bet a virtual beer that Nick takes out Schram. Nick is going to be a problem for many of these battle-hardened guys. Cael doesn't toss out plaudits easily and he's been extremely confident in Nick
From Jim Carlson's PennLive series...these quotes were attributed to Coach Cael...high praise indeed...
"Suriano is a guy who we think is going to compete for a national (title) as a true freshman.''
"But a guy like Suriano, we recruited him saying, 'hey, Nico's a senior, we need you to step in and compete as a true freshman,''
"Suriano is a guy who we think is going to compete for a national (title) as a true freshman.''
"But a guy like Suriano, we recruited him saying, 'hey, Nico's a senior, we need you to step in and compete as a true freshman,''
Again, in no way saying he can’t beat Schram. And certainly not predicting a loss to Schram. Just saying it will be interesting to see how Nick approaches the match from a strategic standpoint and how he "wrestles the match" - especially the 1st period (i.e., whether 1st ends 0-0). I think it will be very telling how Nick's offense, especially from neutral, looks, because I would rate Schram a 7-12 guy, not a top-end AA "lock" type of guy. Assuming it is a defensive low-scoring match, I think he'll lose some close ones at this level and would favor Gilman and Dance for finals.
Or are you saying that you think Nick will bonus ("win big") against Schram when you say, "take him out"?
You guys all make excellent points and observations imo. A wait and see approach seems the most logical, but logic has never been my strong suite.. The young man has risen to the challenges he has faced, but his new challenges will be greater than his past ones. I can't help but think having Nico and JC available to help with scouting and confidence along with being an insane talent will carry him through.
Your point about being able to wrestle Mega and JC is a good one - especially Mega, he is one of the best at "offense is the best defense from neutral" (i.e., don't let the other guy "get his offense going" - keep him on the defensive and "on wheels"). The thing I'm interested in with Nick is what his "offensive identity" is going to be from neutral and overall - I already know he has outstanding defense from neutral and that he is a hammer on top, but what his offensive identity is going to be is still a bit indeterminate imho. He's a bit like Zain as a freshman imho - but Zain's dominance as an offensive wrestler really didn't emerge in a big way until his rsSoph year.
Really? That's significantly lower than CP's prediction (i.e., ranking) - CP has him #2 to only Gilman. Also well behind Schram, who they have #4. Again, that Shram match is going to be very revealing imho in regards to how Nick wrestles the match win or lose (if Cael's influence gets him to go directly to his offense on top of being the hammer he is.....he could win the whole darn enchilada imo, but, and it's a big but, if he is content to wrestle an extremely defensive-oriented, low-scoring match into the the 3rd period, I think he'll lose some matches at this level and that #10 might be about right). Hard to say until we see him on the mat at this level.
Gotta keep in mind that that's their ranking and not a prediction. I agree with CP when it comes to rankings, who he ranks and why he puts them there (except Guilibon last year sorry guys...) so I don't exactly agree with Suriano being ranked in the pre season. I do however believe he will beat Schram and end up ranked, and you are correct that match will most definitely be telling
Also come Dec, Suriano vs Picinnini. Pic by 4, bubble has pop, Gulibon all over again except Suriano will be top 7/8 by end of the year(83% accuracy)!
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Just my take. Nick will wrestle a very physical match, Nico type push, pull, twist, snap with a growing rate of offensive attacks.
Schram isn't going to press Nick very hard. As the match wears on Nick will wear him out and win going away.
It will only be the top 4 or 5 who will challenge Nick's ability to grind people into the ground and win going away.
Just my take. Nick will wrestle a very physical match, Nico type push, pull, twist, snap with a growing rate of offensive attacks.
Schram isn't going to press Nick very hard. As the match wears on Nick will wear him out and win going away.
It will only be the top 4 or 5 who will challenge Nick's ability to grind people into the ground and win going away.
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