Team Tournament
The team tournament rankings for the 2024-25 NCAA Division 1 wrestling season.
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To fuel the speculation:
SVN 2 @ 149
Kasak 4 @ 157
Levi 2 @ 174
When does the schedule come out?
Flo rankings - 2024-25
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To fuel the speculation:
SVN 2 @ 149
Kasak 4 @ 157
Levi 2 @ 174
When does the schedule come out?
Here is their most recent high school rankings for the upcoming season:
#5 Nate Desmond - 126
#7 Dalton Perry - 138
#1 PJ Duke - 157
#3 Asher Cunningham - 165
#2 Will Henckel - 175
Pound for Pound:
#1 Marcus Blaze - 132
#2 Jax Forrest - 132
#3 PJ Duke
#4 Bo Bassett - 144
#8 Will Henckel
#5 Nate Desmond - 126
#7 Dalton Perry - 138
#1 PJ Duke - 157
#3 Asher Cunningham - 165
#2 Will Henckel - 175
Pound for Pound:
#1 Marcus Blaze - 132
#2 Jax Forrest - 132
#3 PJ Duke
#4 Bo Bassett - 144
#8 Will Henckel
I tell you ... I don't see Teemer and Buchanan both winning but obviously I see Ben AA'ing.
Other projections for Iowa
Drake 3 (probably fair start)
Parco 4
Caliendo 2
Gabe 6
Nelson 5
Other projections for Iowa
Drake 3 (probably fair start)
Parco 4
Caliendo 2
Gabe 6
Nelson 5
Penn State's rankings has
Nobody at 125 (keep in mind it's rankings)
Nagao 8 (I think Davis would settle in around there also)
Bartlett 3 (fair)
SVN 2
Kasak 4
Mesenbrink 1
Levi 2
Carter 1
Cochran 21
Greg 1
Nobody at 125 (keep in mind it's rankings)
Nagao 8 (I think Davis would settle in around there also)
Bartlett 3 (fair)
SVN 2
Kasak 4
Mesenbrink 1
Levi 2
Carter 1
Cochran 21
Greg 1
I don't want to sound like an Iowa fan but we have a shot at 10 AAs this year. LL at 125 and Barr at 197.
I have heard here, some say we have a shot at 8 finalists. I like the sound of that better.
With the lineup the good guys have coming up this season, to sound like an Iowa fan you'd have to say we have a shot at 12 AAs this year.
I want to compare and contrast Ayala and Davis since it seems they are talked about as completely different levels right now. Part of it is is the fact Drake 100% wrestles a more exciting style (when he shoots at least) H2H Ayala obviously has the 4-2 win at Carver (where he just dipped to a knee after scoring the first TD)
The narrative on the two of them changed significantly based on NCAAs which is fair but as we know 125 was a mixed bag last year. Ayala as the 3 drew Spratley in the QF and Barnett (who Braeden has obviously beaten) in the SF, Davis as the 1 drew eventual national champ Richie Figs in the quarters and Jore Volk in the BR. Ayala does have a win over Volk but it was extremely close (4-2 and Volk looked like he easily could have earned 2 at any point in a final scramble, similar to how Braeden looked like he could have had the TD against Volk but was funked)
Does Braeden beat Spratley? No guarantees but I like that a lot more than Figs in the QF then obvious he has a win over Barnett. As a result, you have a finalist vs a R12 kid but I'm not convinced the gap is as large as people make it, especially since one was a Top Recruit in his 3rd year in the room compared to an unheralded true freshman.
The narrative on the two of them changed significantly based on NCAAs which is fair but as we know 125 was a mixed bag last year. Ayala as the 3 drew Spratley in the QF and Barnett (who Braeden has obviously beaten) in the SF, Davis as the 1 drew eventual national champ Richie Figs in the quarters and Jore Volk in the BR. Ayala does have a win over Volk but it was extremely close (4-2 and Volk looked like he easily could have earned 2 at any point in a final scramble, similar to how Braeden looked like he could have had the TD against Volk but was funked)
Does Braeden beat Spratley? No guarantees but I like that a lot more than Figs in the QF then obvious he has a win over Barnett. As a result, you have a finalist vs a R12 kid but I'm not convinced the gap is as large as people make it, especially since one was a Top Recruit in his 3rd year in the room compared to an unheralded true freshman.
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Add Lilledahl at 125 and Barr at 197 and I could see all 10 weights being top 4 seeds at NCAA’s with 3 1’s and 3 2’s.
Did you actually see them wrestle at nationals, watching Davis wrestle was painful. He needed to get after it and he didn’t . No matter how you draw the brackets he wasn’t going to AA wrestling like that
Hmmm. I might have seen at least one or two PSU wrestlers improve just a little in their second year. Vague recollection in there somewhere.
If you believe a sophomore is going to wrestle like a true freshman, then I see your point.
Ahh, actually not at all.
Did Davis' big tens impress, even a little? At Nationals he lost to the champ in a very close one.
I think your post has zero chance of an AA!
I came across this quote today and wish I could remember who said to give proper credit but it said “ when you are dead you don’t know you are dead. It is only painful for others. The same applies when you are stupid”
Braeden had a tough pull at national at 125. I don’t expect the same issues at 133. At all.
Davis' issue at 133 is the same as everyone else's: Crookham.
After that, there are about 8-10 podium contenders, some with a shot at the finals. IMO Davis is firmly in that group. It's a very deep weight, but one he should place in, and possibly place highly.
Out of curiosity, who is #1 at 174? I couldn’t find any individual rankings on Flo..Team Tournament
The team tournament rankings for the 2024-25 NCAA Division 1 wrestling season.
To fuel the speculation:
SVN 2 @ 149
Kasak 4 @ 157
Levi 2 @ 174
When does the schedule come out?
Agreed. My comment was that Braeden will not be the same guy at 133 that we saw at nationals last year. 4-6 AA is my hope.
Crookham had tough cut last year. It doesn't get easier the older you get.
Just sayin
Crookham looks like a rather decent size 149 if you ask me, hard to believe he is 133 imo.
No it doesn't. 141 with Alirez, Mendez and Beau probably makes it easier though.
Is Stanich from Lehigh wrestling this year? Can't see him making 125 again and he's not beating Crookham
Redshirt?
Redshirt?
Everyone seems to think he is redshirting. He is 100% not going 125 again, so he either beats out Haines at 141 or takes a redshirt
He is a shorter guy but yeah he has always been massive. I saw him in person up close back in 2020 and wondered how on earth does he make 126
Most likely red shirting. That was the thought even last year. Crookham already used his Red Shirt.
I think the biggest challenge/obstacle for Davis is his square stance in neutral. It’s not conducive to scoring points so he’s reduced to counter offense in neutral or winning close matches based on riding time. When you’re always in 1-2 point matches, you’re going to be on the wrong end of it occasionally- more so against good wrestlers who have good coaches that develop good game plans. I think the weight pull to 25 was tough last year so 33 may lead to more offense, but opening up is more mental than it is physical or weight-related.
I argued this with Kozak (Flo guy that does their rankings) on Twitter.
I asked why he taking freestyle into account in this instance but not in Mendez or Levi’s favor.
His response was he didn’t. He flat out says Gable has the better folkstyle career. Says Gable has better wins and better loses and 2 Hodge trophies.
My argument was 4 for 4 is better than 2 for 3. Carter was on pace for Hodge last yr prior to injury. More national champs on Carters hit list. Plus..my guy has been on the mat the last 2 yrs while Gable was doing other things.
Doubt they change it, but wanted to let you know he said freestyle wasn’t taken into account.
Better losses: definitely. Better wins, maybe. Parris, Kerk are both champs. But Carter has beaten more champs. It’s just a p4p ranking, utterly meaningless. I wish we could shrink Gable to 184 though, cause I know who I’d wager on in a folkstyle match…
Of course it's meaningless but it gives us something to talk about. I just feel like they pick and choose when to be objective. If FLO doesn't care the Gable's been off mat for 2 yrs, then AJ should be much higher than 13.
I don't disagree. For instance, following this logic, I'd probably put Zain quite a bit higher on their GOAT list. But "4 timer" is sacred in that context, I guess.
Gable comes in and shoots to #1 at HWT (no disagreement here as he's beaten all the guys below him)
AJ comes in at #4 behind 3 guys he's beaten and never lost to
Sasso at 3 after being off mat because he almost died..up 2 weights. I love Sasso..put him 10-15 to start out and let him work his way back up.
Make it make sense FLO?!
Flo is like all the football polls. Crooks conniving to rearrange balance sheets in their favor.
Speaking of Flo, FRL without Askren’s moderating influence re: Iowa is hard to take.
My god, the hype about pretty average results. JD and crew will talk them up, we’ll beat them by 20, and half their fanbase will be in revolt because they were sold a fantasy
My god, the hype about pretty average results. JD and crew will talk them up, we’ll beat them by 20, and half their fanbase will be in revolt because they were sold a fantasy
Christina and the other clowns are absolutely sucking on the Hawkeye teat.
They sound like the Des Moines Register
https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/s...s-iowa-state-hawkeyes-penn-state/76427698007/
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