Flo rankings - 2024-25
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No. They’re just adding human judgment to their rankings alongside the metrics. If you ask me if I think Gable is going to run through HWT this season and be a clear 1 seed in the tournament (and likely win), my answer is a resounding yes, regardless of any objective data supporting or refuting that position. If you ask me the same question about AJ, I’d laugh at the very question. I doubt he’ll even be wrestling by March, but even if he is, I’d be shocked if gets anywhere near AA. So I don’t care how you justify it, their rankings are correct for those guys.
BTW, I do think Carter should be above Keck, too. I thought that before the all star match, and that result just reinforced it. The margin between Starocci and Keck is smaller than the margin between Gable and anyone else, but Carter is clearly the top dog.
When you think about it the Hodge ignores some difficult to quantify or qualify realities when it comes to wrestling.
Much like the Heisman, is it really 'fair'? How often does an non QB, RB, WR win the Heisman, while players who become game wreckers at even the NFL level, are ignored if they are LB, DL, or even OL?
In football the honor is skewed towards offensive scorers who touch the ball. In wrestling, record and bonus rule, but this considered equally across all weights, can be misleading IMO.
I believe in the bell curve as it pertains to athletic talent density across the weight classes. Simply put there are far fewer talented starters at heavy and 125 than the middle weights. Far fewer males are naturally only 130 lbs, and most of the best larger 210+ lb athletes are playing football or basketball.
No doubt Gable is generational and elite, but let's be honest, aside from Kerk and 1 or 2 others he is often grappling with a collection of dancing bears or dough boys, much of the time, too slow and unathletic for football.
If you win a Hodge between 141 and 184, your path is much harder and you have really earned it. Going undefeated and achieving a high bonus rate against that group of AAs and beyond is indeed impressive.
But life isn't fair, certainly when someone is preordained by the experts, just as is the case with Gable. Maybe he stumbles, or better yet MM or Carter will have something to say about it
Much like the Heisman, is it really 'fair'? How often does an non QB, RB, WR win the Heisman, while players who become game wreckers at even the NFL level, are ignored if they are LB, DL, or even OL?
In football the honor is skewed towards offensive scorers who touch the ball. In wrestling, record and bonus rule, but this considered equally across all weights, can be misleading IMO.
I believe in the bell curve as it pertains to athletic talent density across the weight classes. Simply put there are far fewer talented starters at heavy and 125 than the middle weights. Far fewer males are naturally only 130 lbs, and most of the best larger 210+ lb athletes are playing football or basketball.
No doubt Gable is generational and elite, but let's be honest, aside from Kerk and 1 or 2 others he is often grappling with a collection of dancing bears or dough boys, much of the time, too slow and unathletic for football.
If you win a Hodge between 141 and 184, your path is much harder and you have really earned it. Going undefeated and achieving a high bonus rate against that group of AAs and beyond is indeed impressive.
But life isn't fair, certainly when someone is preordained by the experts, just as is the case with Gable. Maybe he stumbles, or better yet MM or Carter will have something to say about it
They live in that fantasy bubble from April until about 10 minutes into the first PSU v Iowa competition.
Crazy but I have the opposite opinion. I think Gable took the money but there isn't enough fire there when it counts. Not to mention that he hasn't wrestled in two years. I think we will find that he isn't the same Gable from 2019. I'll donate $50 to the Penn State Wrestling Club if I'm wrong.
I get your point about the weights and agree 100% but if you factor that into the voting then the "defensive" guys the 125 and hwt would never win it.
I haven't watched to much of Hendrickson because of the difficulty in viewing other confrences. But watching him this year, the punishment he puts on these other heavies, dang! If Steveson is gonna do the same and stay undefeated he does deserve it.
Because there are so few guys in those weights that can do it, they deserve it when one comes around that is that dominant.
He is not the same Gable, but plenty good enough to win it. Given the strength training he was doing for WWE and the NFL forays, he could be better than 2019 come March.
It’s crazy when you think about it. You can wrestle professionally and receive NFL money than come back to wrestle college kids. I know it’s been done with baseball to football etc but it’s still insane to me.
Let's not be too hasty with the predictions. Don't forget that PSU has a pretty decent big guy too.
Who is more focused-in a better room with a better coach whose ability to plot out match specific strategies is legendary-and who knows knocking off Gable makes him a legend.
New Flo rankings came out yesterday. The entire team is ranked in the top 25 with Luke as the lowest ranked wrestler at #24.
125- #24 Luke Lilledahl
133- #8 Braeden Davis
141- #3 Beau Bartlett
149- #2 Shayne Van Ness
157- #4 Tyler Kasak
165- #1 Mitchell Mesenbrink
174- #2 Levi Haines
184- #1 Carter Starocci
197- #21 Josh Barr
285- #2 Greg Kerkvliet
125- #24 Luke Lilledahl
133- #8 Braeden Davis
141- #3 Beau Bartlett
149- #2 Shayne Van Ness
157- #4 Tyler Kasak
165- #1 Mitchell Mesenbrink
174- #2 Levi Haines
184- #1 Carter Starocci
197- #21 Josh Barr
285- #2 Greg Kerkvliet
So 10 into the finals. I'll take it. Barr over AJ at NCAAs. I'd love to see that.
Just a hunch but look for 125; and 197 to probably be ranked JUST a bit higher than that in a month or two
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