He already has 1/4 of his coaching staff for this transition...Zack, Durkin
Forbes: Urban Meyer’s fate rests with Law Firm’s findings (link)
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We're far ahead of how we were recruiting before the scandal. Cleaning house was necessary but not because of Sandusky. The scholarship limits hurt us more than anything else
I don't believe Ohio State will miss a beat if he stays...maybe I'm wrong...we may never know if they let him go
Agreed. Can you imagine if JVP thought the "gravity of the situation" of horse-play wasn't worth reporting (which based on 1998 could be legit)!? I mean he was still fired and crucified despite reporting it per university policy, but there would have been a real lynch mob looking to string him up.
But I'm sure Roxine is over on the O$U board telling them how wrong UM was in his mishandling of the situation!
I find myself rooting for UM. It troubles me that the media, in this case sports media, have transplanted the justice system in our country. The average person buys their sensational rantings, hook, line and sinker. All of them......Paterno, Meyer, Durkin, Izzo, etc. are power hungry, immoral,narcissists.
Everyone has evil intent in their daily lives except sport journalists, who are eager and willing to guide us on the path of righteousness and justice. They tell us that following policy, procedure and the letter of the law is unacceptable. These folks should have and must do "more."
24 hour news and sports cycles are beasts that demand to be satiated. Even here, others that I thought were thoughtful, insightful and intelligent posters, quote stories that are often sourced by"anonymous" individuals. It seems the lines have been blurred between mistakes (which I thought everyone is guilty of) and crime.
Everyone has evil intent in their daily lives except sport journalists, who are eager and willing to guide us on the path of righteousness and justice. They tell us that following policy, procedure and the letter of the law is unacceptable. These folks should have and must do "more."
24 hour news and sports cycles are beasts that demand to be satiated. Even here, others that I thought were thoughtful, insightful and intelligent posters, quote stories that are often sourced by"anonymous" individuals. It seems the lines have been blurred between mistakes (which I thought everyone is guilty of) and crime.
3 members of the smarmy OSU BoT are on the investigation committee. So how’s it independent?
It puzzles me how no one is asking urban what other actions he made? A head foto ball coach is a boss, mentor and friend to his staff. In my opinion he had a moral obligation to try to help Courtney and Zack. Did he recommend any counseling or treatment programs? What kind of Christian intentionally overlooks spousal abuse when he is clearly in a position to help?
Is there a reason why you/most PSU fans want to see Urban Meyer lose his head coaching position -- even if he followed protocol?
Do you believe that the university/ADept. was not aware of the Zack Smith/UFl incident?
Do you find any credibility with the statements of her mother and Zack's mother about Courtney 'wanting to take down her husband and UMeyer' ?
They hired Jeremy Pruitt in December and signed him to a six year contract. Timing not good for Urban this year. After next season, very possible.
Your right, they would not care if they won again.
Why isn't the media connecting dots with Meyer + DJ Durkin + Kevin Wilson?
What a betrayal, after the OSU fanbase defended Joe Paterno so vociferously!
I wish there was a way for Urban to get vindication, and for Ohio State fans to suffer.
This neglects to mention the possible finding that Urban or Gene possibly pressuring Courtney or the police to not press charges against Zack in the MULTIPLE 2015 incidents. Should that be found, put a fork in them.
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No way Meyer gets booted, 'Indifference' or whatever. Durkin's crap at MD in the past few days has been the best thing to happen to OSU.
Damn. Wish JoePa would have done that. Oh, wait, that is what he did. Damn!!
Wait--so, if we're mad they didn't defend Joe then are we as bad as them for not defending Meyer? You can't have it both ways
I can have it anyway I want it. Turn about is fair play? For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. An eye for an eye. Karma's a bitch. Tit for tat.
Actually, if you care to follow most of my posts on the topic, I have leaned to the side of waiting for the facts and not rushing to judgement in this matter. But, I completely understand those PSU fans who take some satisfaction in seeing how far the self perceived "righteous and mighty" have fallen.
Actually, if you care to follow most of my posts on the topic, I have leaned to the side of waiting for the facts and not rushing to judgement in this matter. But, I completely understand those PSU fans who take some satisfaction in seeing how far the self perceived "righteous and mighty" have fallen.
Just read where Zach had an impaired driving arrest and conviction in 2013....that's not helping the cause.
Interesting Analysis, but Urban is too big to fall, of course Joe was too big also and Joe reported JS to Joe's superiors. Same as Urban claiming he reported the incident (s). Urban gets a two game suspension and has to donate two games salary to some support group.
The issue is "good ol' boyism" protecting/nurturing abusers.
It's not a legal issue. The question is "How will the moderate feminists in tOSU's student body, faculty and alumni react when the report says that everybody knew and nothing was done?" He was kept in his job and not even required to undergo counseling.
If their female students care enough to protest, tOSU will need a sacrificial head to roll. Of course, the most left-leaning feminists hate football's culture of violence enough to raise a stink. Probably enough females love football to set that group off. However, we will soon see how the rank-and-file women feel.
Classes begin one week from today. Kids will show up on campus this coming weekend. Most schools have an anti-domestic violence indoctrination March during the first week.
It's not a legal issue. The question is "How will the moderate feminists in tOSU's student body, faculty and alumni react when the report says that everybody knew and nothing was done?" He was kept in his job and not even required to undergo counseling.
If their female students care enough to protest, tOSU will need a sacrificial head to roll. Of course, the most left-leaning feminists hate football's culture of violence enough to raise a stink. Probably enough females love football to set that group off. However, we will soon see how the rank-and-file women feel.
Classes begin one week from today. Kids will show up on campus this coming weekend. Most schools have an anti-domestic violence indoctrination March during the first week.
They not only didn’t defend Joe, they trashed (and continue to trash) our entire fan base. But I get it, we should turn the other cheek...I’m all out of cheeks to turn. Burn them to the ground.
You have to ask Penn State fans why they want to see Urban get fired? Really? You must have been on another planet for the last seven years.
And I find no credibility with the statements about Courtney wanting to take Urban down...if that’s true, then what an evil genius she is to concoct a plan and put it in place for five years just to take Urban Meyer down. And why would she want to? Courtney’s mother has already contradicted that story anyway.
The problem is all of his lies to the media were of the Sargent Schultz variety ( I know nothing) except when he took on the mantle as someone who has moral authority and spoke " on behalf " of the university and claimed " if he did know he would have made a change". If he does get fired that's the statement that's going hang him. If he doesn't get fired it's gonna follow him and the University around for a long time. Although it is just my opinion, I feel once anyone in a leadership position loses moral authority the game is over.
Saturday Down South: Did Urban Meyer just refuse to fire Zach Smith? New 2013 arrest surfaces
for Smith.
https://www-saturdaydownsouth-com.c...smith-new-2013-arrest-surfaces-for-smith/amp/
A new report by The Toledo Blade surfaced on Monday that reported that Smith was arrested in 2013 for drunk driving. However, he was found guilty of physical control, a first-degree misdemeanor, and the operating a vehicle while intoxicated charge was amended and the speeding charge dismissed
for Smith.
https://www-saturdaydownsouth-com.c...smith-new-2013-arrest-surfaces-for-smith/amp/
A new report by The Toledo Blade surfaced on Monday that reported that Smith was arrested in 2013 for drunk driving. However, he was found guilty of physical control, a first-degree misdemeanor, and the operating a vehicle while intoxicated charge was amended and the speeding charge dismissed
Who has had the opportunity to ask? (Publicly at least) Outside of the statement he posted on Twitter he hasn’t done any interviews or made any statements.
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I think your earlier post was right on, although I’m not sure I’m hoping UM is vindicated —unless he shows enough personal investment in helping to justify the lying.
Lying alone may or may not have been enough for termination. But given the topic it shouldn’t be treated as a small thing. I hope he did the right things otherwise and neither CUM’s nor others’ behavior went truly out of bounds (conflicting stories). I hope he tried to help and really invested himself in that. If so, the lie may become excusable as perhaps a knee-jerk response to something very personal to him-like something he was involved with and treated as confidential.
But if the story is as bad as reported, he knew it was bad and he didn’t really show he cared about the situation — and lied about it as well, it’d certainly make a statement if OSU doesn’t take action and remove him.
I don’t want an easier road to the B1G Championship or playoff because media frenzy-driven outcry created an excuse to ruin a man’s career and legacy. That’d be awful. I also don’t want to succumb to the us-them mentality of PSU = good and OSU = bad and all that crap beyond the bounds of sportsmanship. It’s a great and successful university and athletic department.
I’m not the judge here but I’d think it’d be ok if he did the right thing, or tried to and fell short. We’ll see. But I also tend to think he can’t be a university representative and leader of young men on its behalf if he didn’t follow the right path and lied about it, discrediting himself in the process. OSU has already demonstrated they can do the right thing by firing Jim Tressel for lying about something far less troubling.
I just don't get the gratification in watching it burn. Also, they didn't defend us because our leaders didn't want us to be defended.
osu68, completely serious question that I hope you will answer honestly ... what are your thoughts on Joe Paterno?
I personally am not rooting either way in regards to if UM is fired or not. I do question his overall judgment in regard to keeping Zack Smith on staff, (after 2009 and 2015), regardless of whether he reported the incidents up the food chain.
I also question the judgment of the university athletic department for keeping Smith on after the 2015 incident.
As far as his wife's mother, I am torn between accepting her assessment of the situation yet she also realizes that her daughter's ex husband's loss of a $300,000 plus job is not a good thing for her daughter or her grandchildren.
"Also, they didn't defend us because our leaders didn't want us to be defended". Another one of your gems. Keep them coming. Whenever I am having a bad day, all I have to do is read your stuff. Thanks.
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