Yea but at the time everyone here said what you just said it was getting rid of loyalist and people tried to undercut the new coach. So what is it.
An independent medical staff is not new at PSU and should not be influenced.
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Yea but at the time everyone here said what you just said it was getting rid of loyalist and people tried to undercut the new coach. So what is it.
An independent medical staff is not new at PSU and should not be influenced.
Have no idea and frankly I think its a big nothing burger slathered with a big glob of the dr.'s ego couldn't handle being fired.
Influenced how? The doctor has the go not go call. Sounds like the doc did not want any questions ever from anybody. Sorry no coach in the world would agree to that. This is all about the $1.9M that Lynch is not going to get over the next two years. Nothing else.
I remember telling an employee his job was safe. I was just waiting to hear back from HR and then see ya later.
You can talk to kids and then a doctor differently. So really the number could be 1000-0 and it makes no difference. At the same time 0-1000 doesnt make a coach Bud Kilmer either
Okay, dipshit. I wrote "the doctor..... just maybe, doesn't have the kid(s) and team as his top priority" which is different from saying that "the team is the top priority." So reading isn't a strong suit. But you wanna play? Done.
Doc: He's going to be out 3-4 weeks
Franklin: Are you sure?
Doc: Whoa! Stop pressuring me!
Franklin: Are you sure?
Doc: Whoa! Stop pressuring me!
Has me on what? he posted the kids and team as the doctors priority. The team should mean nothing to said doctor. If he wants to say the kids maybe arent his top priority then fine.
That literally could have happened. Which leads back to CG and why be dismissed.
I don't think it's cash here and the $1.9mm figure you cite is what PSU (IAC) is to pay Hershey for medical services for its teams. Lynch appears to make about $660k p.a, including bonus, and there is no indication that he'll lose any of it.
Of course it makes no difference when you're predisposed to believe the worst in Franklin. Wonder how loud you'd be screaming if it was 15-0 against Franklin. Then I'm sure the word of the players would be gospel to you. You're a silly hater. Nothing more. See ya
The very last part could be 1000% correct. To your question of influenced how. That is what nobody here knows yet people are stating what happened as if they do.
Again with one of these cases the same names pop up and nobody even blinks an eye at them.
The last doctor who told me to watch my blood pressure and gave me medication for it fvcked up royally and made me deathly ill as a result. I'm happy to say that my blood pressure is perfectly fine sans medication, as it always has been.
I would be saying its a bad look and why does CG name keep popping up. Im not a hater. Except Gattis.
Edit) which is what I have been saying look at the department and not the team.
Regardless of opinion on this particular issue, simply expressing frustration or even a difference of opinion to the doctor (as per most of the hypothetical situations posed), however informed or however uninformed that alternate perspective may be, does NOT in and of itself constitute "interference".
A big nothing burger that still has cost JF and the program in terms of public perception.
My dad had a similar experience sir.
My dad, being of southern Yugoslavian Medditerainina descent had a American doctor who wanted his blood pressure at (USA men's' standards). GAVE HIM BLOOD PRESSURE MEDS THAT MADE HIM SLUGGISH AND TIRED!
Another doctor asked my dad his nationality, and when my dad responded he said: :Ed, your blood pressure is supposed to run a bit higher than normal based on where you ancestors came from. So he takes him OFF the other doctors meds and my dad sprang up like a newly watered flower full of energy!!
Something tells me that a guy who posts nearly 20 times in a less than 2 page thread might be a bit less analytical and a bit more emotionally involved in the discussion than others.
Everything’s just speculation now as no interference examples have been given. No one knows who is right or wrong in this mess yet.
Lynch’s recommendations give some insight into the conflict. He pretty much wants no contact with coaches other than a once a week or once a month meeting. The rest of the time he apparently wants to use a trainer as a gopher to pass messages. I think that’s a recipe for miscommunication and frustration in getting questions answered.
When he says a coach can’t ever call a physician to discuss injuries, can’t step into the training room, and can’t talk to a player “positively or negatively” about an injury his expectations are a little too draconian IMO.
It makes me wonder if any personality clashes and/or different perception issues snowballed over time and played into this mess.
Lynch’s recommendations give some insight into the conflict. He pretty much wants no contact with coaches other than a once a week or once a month meeting. The rest of the time he apparently wants to use a trainer as a gopher to pass messages. I think that’s a recipe for miscommunication and frustration in getting questions answered.
When he says a coach can’t ever call a physician to discuss injuries, can’t step into the training room, and can’t talk to a player “positively or negatively” about an injury his expectations are a little too draconian IMO.
It makes me wonder if any personality clashes and/or different perception issues snowballed over time and played into this mess.
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Im carrying on conversations on a nice day with 5 or 6 people. Is that a crime? While at the same time i have not stood firmly behind coach yet have not degenerated him. I have slightly supported doctor lynch recommendations in the suit and firmly believe that this is not a football issue but once again a handling problem with in ICA.
And frankly I am tired of these same names popping up. Whether it is fencing, womens ice hockey, gymnastics or what ever.
Nothing burger regarding football. Not a nothing burger regarding ICA.
Like psu00 posted about personality clashes may have led to this. And yet ICA allowed it to escalate. #leadership
I guess I must be ignorant, but how am I uninformed?How hard have you been working to remain uninformed?
Asking for a friend
It's amazing to me how dumb the media is. I've now read two major publications, both of which cited so-called "legal analysts" who can't even get the $50,000 amount correct. IT SAYS "IN EXCESS" of 50K!!!!!!!!! You'd think at least a legal analyst would do some research on Pa Rules and (more importantly) the whistleblower law. I also wonder how many media outlets read the complaint. Here are some things they are missing:
First: Dr. Lynch memorializes his belief of retaliation, post-termination, in Exhibit 3, without (again) any specific examples, and it makes it pretty clear that Hershey just wanted to go a different way and Dr. Lynch believes that it was because of CJF. It's also abundantly clear that his supervisor (Black) does not agree with the policies Dr. Lynch proposed----that's a big deal.
Second: that whistleblower law permits a reasonable justification for the adverse employment decision (e.g. PSU wanting a physician to be in the State College area---wouldn't this be VERY important when you're giving so much autonomy under the current standards...let alone the ones Dr. Lynch is proposing in the complaint?).
Third: the NCAA and B1G standards, and as assumed of member institutions's adopted policies, are EXTREMELY VAGUE. There will be a HUGE disparity between what is deemed to be "improper" or "undue" interference and influence over medical decisions. Very, very, vvvvvvery tough to apply without specific examples. Dr. Lynch really needs to allege times, dates, injuries, witnesses, documentation etc. (*Side note: I never try to get into the mind of a litigant or their attorney from an outside perspective, but I would've thought that for this case to have real firepower, it would be filed under seal (because it would have to be) with numerous accounts of "this was Player X injuries and diagnoses...this was the medical decision...this was how it was monitored...this is who I communicated with...and this is what THEY did to interfere.") (**Side note two: by not doing this, Dr. Lynch has opened the door for a wider public relations campaign of positive examples of how CJF/PSU handled injured athletes. You have to remember that PSU/CJF has a bigger microphone and more access to media.)
Fourth: the appointments to Director of Athletic Medicine and Football Physician (two different appointments) are NOT specifically referenced in the first two exhibits (or any other documents). I would suspect that those terms would be laid out in writing and attached to the complaint. This makes me wonder (a) where those terms are laid out; (b) whether he was paid through to the end of his contract (which might be) in June 2019 as per Ex. 2; (c) whether he suffered any direct financial harm in terms of compensation; and (d) whether he kept his adjunct/professor appointment with the University.
Fourth: the media wants to make this like Maryland or Texas Tech (Leach) and, for a dozen reasons, it's just not.
Finally: a serious question for the legal braintrust. HOW IN THE WORLD IS THIS COMPLAINT NOT SUBJECT TO CONFIDENTIAL/OUTSIDE ARBITRATION so that it stays out of the public spotlight!!!!?????!!!!!!!!!!
First: Dr. Lynch memorializes his belief of retaliation, post-termination, in Exhibit 3, without (again) any specific examples, and it makes it pretty clear that Hershey just wanted to go a different way and Dr. Lynch believes that it was because of CJF. It's also abundantly clear that his supervisor (Black) does not agree with the policies Dr. Lynch proposed----that's a big deal.
Second: that whistleblower law permits a reasonable justification for the adverse employment decision (e.g. PSU wanting a physician to be in the State College area---wouldn't this be VERY important when you're giving so much autonomy under the current standards...let alone the ones Dr. Lynch is proposing in the complaint?).
Third: the NCAA and B1G standards, and as assumed of member institutions's adopted policies, are EXTREMELY VAGUE. There will be a HUGE disparity between what is deemed to be "improper" or "undue" interference and influence over medical decisions. Very, very, vvvvvvery tough to apply without specific examples. Dr. Lynch really needs to allege times, dates, injuries, witnesses, documentation etc. (*Side note: I never try to get into the mind of a litigant or their attorney from an outside perspective, but I would've thought that for this case to have real firepower, it would be filed under seal (because it would have to be) with numerous accounts of "this was Player X injuries and diagnoses...this was the medical decision...this was how it was monitored...this is who I communicated with...and this is what THEY did to interfere.") (**Side note two: by not doing this, Dr. Lynch has opened the door for a wider public relations campaign of positive examples of how CJF/PSU handled injured athletes. You have to remember that PSU/CJF has a bigger microphone and more access to media.)
Fourth: the appointments to Director of Athletic Medicine and Football Physician (two different appointments) are NOT specifically referenced in the first two exhibits (or any other documents). I would suspect that those terms would be laid out in writing and attached to the complaint. This makes me wonder (a) where those terms are laid out; (b) whether he was paid through to the end of his contract (which might be) in June 2019 as per Ex. 2; (c) whether he suffered any direct financial harm in terms of compensation; and (d) whether he kept his adjunct/professor appointment with the University.
Fourth: the media wants to make this like Maryland or Texas Tech (Leach) and, for a dozen reasons, it's just not.
Finally: a serious question for the legal braintrust. HOW IN THE WORLD IS THIS COMPLAINT NOT SUBJECT TO CONFIDENTIAL/OUTSIDE ARBITRATION so that it stays out of the public spotlight!!!!?????!!!!!!!!!!
Impossible to say where specifically I ranked on this doctor's priority scheme, though I can say with confidence that it was below what her family was having for dinner that evening. Maybe Franklin was taking menu planning time away from Lynch.
More like:
Franklin: Hi Doc, how are you doing today?
Doc: Don't talk to me, get out of my face!
"But the doctor literally has millions of dollars in lost salary that would motivate him to sue and get it back. His contract allowed for him to be fired without cause, so his options for filing suit were limited, with one option being the whistleblower statute."
Not only is this utterly and definitively untrue...….
BUT:
1) I highlighted and underlined that passage when I replied to your OP... so how could you not know what I was referring to?
2) It would have taken five minutes of reading into the Court Filing (the object of the entire topic you are responding to) to know that it was utterly and definitively untrue.
3) That erroneous statement - which has been repeated by several folks - was clarified throughout this thread by other (informed) posters.
That requires a pretty solid effort to remain ignorant, given all of the above (So... congratulations?
You present your points so pleasantly. If you'll look at the time of my post, it was made prior to helpful clarifications by other posters SUBSEQUENT to my post. But thanks for your sanctimonious nasty attitude. Have a nice day.
I'm also impressed that you can understand everything about a 50+ page complaint in five minutes.
“Nothing burger” has to be the most annoying phrase I hear (or read) used on a somewhat regular basis.
Mea culpa for misreading that the amounts listed are payments to Hershey, not Lynch. My mistake. Doesn't discount your attitude being over the top or that other posters capably corrected my error.Take a few minutes to acquire even the most basic and primitive understanding of the situation.... BEFORE "opining" with clearly erroneous assumptions..... and you won't have to worry over how someone
I wonder where PSU stands against its Peer Group (B1G and Top 20 Programs) with respect to this entire Lynch allegation / debacle?
Nothing out of the ordinary in my case. Doctor made a decision to put me on medication after two readings, neither of which she could be bothered to disclose to me. She put me on medication despite my telling her that I had no history of high blood pressure, including a very good reading taken in my PCP's office less than two weeks prior. When I asked her about the side effects of the medication, something I always do, she dismissed the question out of hand.
Unfortunately, unlike your Dad I experienced a serious allergic reaction that persisted well beyond the time I stopped taking the medication.
My PCP called the cardiologist to discuss my case and was not pleased with her response. All he said when I asked him about it was, "Needless to say I won't be sending anymore of my patients to her."
Since then, without the benefit of medication, my BP has been rock-solid normal. To this day, when my PCP sees the readings he just shakes his head and smiles.
As you know, I'm not a fan of Barbour (let's leave Green out of this because she wasn't a decision maker). Have it on reasonably good authority that there was nothing she could do to contain this other than letting Lynch keep his job with ICA. Can't say whether it had reached a point where that was no longer an option.
In the complaint, it says that the applicable medical services agreement had a "Termination without cause" limitation. Of course, if I'm wrong, Norm will be the first to let everyone know.
I think the record speaks for itself. CJF has held key players out for longer than any coach I know. He has kept key players out in key games against the wishes of the player. He also has protected the privacy of injured players from the press like a junkyard dog. Can't wait to see this ply out.
