Four students from the helicopter incident during tailgating charged
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How can they be allowed to search your apartment and bank accounts for something like this?
You'd have to read the application for search warrant, I imagine. I DO know that once the police embarrassed themselves with the chopper, they had to make these two mopes look like the Gambino crime family to justify it. I am guessing they did not ask for the warrant until they got hit by the public for the chopper idiocy.
This was not a “frat” party. While the guys who organized it, and sold the wrist bands were members of different frats, and word was spread in part through frat ranks, none of this was frat sanctioned and not everyone in attendance was a frat person. Fact is, most of the networking for this was by word of mouth and texting. It was more of a senior party than a frat party. Same party could pop up next year with headquarters in a dorm or apartment, and no involvement of any frat member.
How was this party (other than possible underage participants) any different than some of the alumni association bowl tailgates?
It had a helicopter.
LOL police state stupidity. The Orlando area alumni club hosted a tailgate party at this year’s bowl game. I think we paid $40 each. It was nice to visit other alumni. Alcohol was served. Thankfully the local police did not use a helicopter and foot soldiers to disperse us. The fee covered the expense to purchase the space near the stadium, buy a lavish buffet and give three beer tickets to each attendee. How many years In prison in solitary confinement do the evil planners deserve? Arrest the rowdies at the scene if they are disruptive. Undercover cops? Maybe a good student response is a one week boycott of local businesses.
Is anyone in your alumni club pocketing any of the proceeds (i.e., "taking a cut")? Normally alumni clubs and chapters put the money towards the costs of the event (as you said for your club) and then put the rest in a scholarship fund.
The Penn State students put some of the proceeds towards costs and then pocketed the rest. It was not an official function run by an official organization with the proceeds going to a legitimate cause. Students probably felt that $10 was not too much to pay to attend a huge tailgate party, so they handed it over on a whim. However, they probably didn't think that anyone would pocket $1300. If I attended that party and learned about the cut afterwards, I would be asking myself why I helped line another students pockets so significantly. How many parties do students go to where no students profit? This tailgate party is not the norm.
You said your alumni club purchased a space near the stadium. It sounds like this event was sanctioned by the property owners under an official agreement. Did the Penn State students purchase space in a stadium parking lot for their event? Was it sanctioned by Penn State as a paid event?
I was 25 yards from that tailgate. The kids were fine. Not too loud, minding their own business .... until the 10-15 state police on horses walked into the middle of their tailgate and the helicopter buzzed the area. That day was a clear over reach by someone ....
The difference is the money was being cut between the three guys not Penn State or any of it's support organizations.
Yea God forbid Penn State doesn't get their cut of $200.00. I mean someone's got to foot the bill for Sandys' assts.
Did anyone else attend the Alumni tailgate at the Rose Bowl? Perhaps they had a permit?I assume any profits went to the local chapters? Is the difference because this was "free enterprise?" Are there charges relating to underage drinking?
Where else could money be farted away over trivial bs other than Penn State? The place that gave us police protection for Bernie McLush, tearing down a tribute in the first 1/4 of a game, hiding a Statue under orders from an idiot, failing to identify an idiot dragging a banner over the Campus, covering up for TSM, free speech for clowns like Jockstrap John, and a series of half witted Homecoming "Marshals".
You can't make it up
You can't make it up
I'd love to see the FAA ground the PSP for six months and make their pilots and commanders undergo some common sense training
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Not happening. The Penn-Live article says the FAA has completed its investigation and if you want to know the results you have to file a FOIA request. If the FAA took any adverse action they'd shout it from the rooftops.
If someone were present that day and felt they were in serious danger of bodily harm, they should pursue a private criminal complaint against the pilot for recklessly endangering. Even if the DA won't prosecute it, it would continue to bring notice to the reckless and dangerous actions of the state police in this matter.
But why does that make a difference...oh wait
Yeah, but this was a party set up by frat boys, and 18 other Greek orgs participated. Not a good look. I wonder if mention of it will be made in the 8 million dollar study PSU is doing.
You are being made a sucker by state police propaganda. I know it feels good to you to believe in the BS line that this was some kind of bad frat behavior, but try to keep up. 18 other Greek orgs did not participate. No Greek orgs participated. Members of 18 Greek orgs probably did participate, maybe even more, but that's because it was a party that was open to upperclassmen and a lot of them happen to be in Greek orgs. I'll bet there were a lot of kids from Pittsburgh at this party, too, but I don't see anyone calling this out as an out of control Pittsburgh party.
The bottom line is that after shitting the bed with the helicopter, the police apparently couldn't deflect by pointing to wide-spread underage drinking, so they went with illegal wrist-band selling topped with a generalized reference to "frat" involvement, which is generally sufficient to mesmerize knee-jerk frat haters like yourself. Mission accomplished.
"Connor Fitzgerald, 22, and Joshua Spear, 22, ey organized the tailgatealongside 18 other fraternities and sororities. In a written statement, both Fitzgerald andSpear said it was a tradition for seniors in theGreek community to set up a tailgate at homefootball games"
So they were not frat boys and they were not alongside 18 other frats? Okay. What's your source for that?
First of all, let's make clear what your source is: the state police. You know, there very same Keystone Cops who need to have their helicopter license revoked and are desperately trying to divert attention from that fact. It's like, with you, instead of yelling "squirrel!" all they have to do is yell "frat!" and you lose any ability to engage in critical thinking.
Your quote doesn't even make sense. These two guys organized a tailgate "alongside 18 other fraternities"? WTF does that even mean? It sounds like weasel words coming out of the mouth of some bureaucrat who is desperate to lead everyone away from the real story, and succeeded with you.
Finally, my source is personal knowledge, which sure beats your lousy source.
But that's not what they are being charged with.
If they were being charged with operating a business without a license, or lack of an event permit, then I'd agree with you.
They are being cited on alcohol charges when there isn't any evidence (that I've seen) that they provided any alcohol. That's BS.
Agree. But charging for lack of permit isn't much of a deterrent. They obviously went way overboard with the chopper to prove a point that these huge organized tailgates won't be tolerated. I see these charges in the same light as the chopper.
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Sorry, what personal knowledge? Forget critical thinking. Try reading for meaning before you move on to thinking. You ought to learn to read first, since you seemed to miss that I laid most of the blame for this nonsense on the police in my actual post on the subject.
I guess my questions would be twofold:
1) Why won't these organized tailgates be tolerated? What they doing that police object to that lots of other tailgates aren't also doing?
2) If they won't be tolerated, why not pass laws that make them illegal or use existing laws (permits, etc) to break them up? Don't make up stuff as you go along and charge them with unsupported (and serious) offenses.
OBVIOUSLY the PA State Police brought in the cavalry and the helicopter to aid in their search for Ray Gricar. Somebody in that party had to know SOMETHING!
They don't have a problem if you do it with these guys in a designated area. Otherwise, it's bad for business.
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Ah, it’s the old “let’s release the news late on a Friday afternoon so no one will notice” stunt!
Viggo Mortensen was the Allentown police chief?
Sorry, I didn't get past this deranged utterance: "It bears repeating that this is but ANOTHER instance of a frat recognized by PSU publicly breaking the underage alcohol laws, they and around EIGHTEEN other Greek orgs."
Is he in for a soft landing? Does he have a golden parachute?
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