They didn't even allow JoePa to tell his side of the story in the press conf that was cancelled. They didn't want Joe dropping FACTS on them. Transparency my @$$
Four years to the day of the JoePa beheading. How's that working out for us?
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I copied that from someone else who is far more up on the timelines. I believe that is from a post by JimmyW but I could be mistaken. To answer your question, I'm unsure as to what has transpired re: today's item. Perhaps Lundy or BJF knows?
Wonder if this is anything...or just a job change:
http://www.centredaily.com/2015/11/09/5007197_district-judge-leslie-dutchcot.html?rh=1
http://www.centredaily.com/2015/11/09/5007197_district-judge-leslie-dutchcot.html?rh=1
And if you really want to stoke the flames of a 4 year-old fire, certain trustees will still cite Joe's insistence on speaking with the media as proof that they had to fire him.
(Edit: But the absolute best part of that conversation is where the trustee is forced to walk that statement back with, "Um, even though we didn't really fire him.")
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What prevented him from holding his own press conference after 11/9? Seems like he could have dropped any facts he had then.
Not really. If the University leadership had done the expedient thing and shifted blame far away from Paterno/football and directed it at "some administrators who maintain their innocence", then they would have avoided the vast majority of public scrutiny or caring. Paterno was the center of the media firestorm because no one from PSU has the sense to defend him vehemently from the start -- which would have been reasonable since he wasn't charged with anything and was a witness for the prosecution -- and put the attention/blame on the faceless administrators.
His battle with a surging cancer, maybe? He was rushed to the hospital that very next weekend.
He did try to get his point across to a journalist (Jenkins) who they trusted, but then who later was shallow enough to swallow the Freeh report without a critical review of it. Plus, he was relaying his story to the author of his biography.
IIRC Noonan was the turning point. His "moral obligation" comments made it open season on Paterno.
Corbett and his henchmen on the BOT executed a well planned coup. Nothing about the entire incident was coincidence. Curley, Shultz and Spanier will never see their cases adjudicated. The Commonwealth never had a case.
I'm not sure but I'll say this: just about every time I see some incident or allegation or ethical dustup in college sports, I always seem to see a reference to Sandusky and PSU and Joe with the comment that whatever XYZ did, it's not as bad as Penn State.
I've lost count of the times I've seen a reference to "PED State".
I don't know why I go to church anymore ... I hate those BoT MFers and I'll take that to the grave.
And what is the point of a coup against someone that you know will be gone soon even without a coup?
It just doesn't make any sense that he was sitting on all these facts that would have saved his reputation and not hold a press conference or issue a statement containing this information. I understand he was very sick but are you saying he was capable of speaking at a presser one day and then suddenly incapable 24 hours later?
That would not have served Surma's purpose, and Surma's deal with Corbett required that Surma get what Surma wanted.
I got the 90 days from the 8/11 hearing from a media article after the hearing (cited below; there's a link also in Apex's sig). However, I saw nothing from a court document about a due date. So if we hear nothing about a ruling today - then I guess it's my bad for relying on a media article without its own citation!
FYI - I just so happened to talk to someone yesterday about whether an order was pending today. The response I got: "A decision from the Superior Court is not required to be issued within any particular time frame. It could be days or it could be weeks before we hear about their decision. The newspaper reporter who said they had 90 days was mistaken."
That reporter also got the tab on the scandal wrong. Penn State last reported a tab of $79.7M on June 30, 2014 which included only $24M of the NCAA fine and included none of the victim lawsuits, which was already $59.7M in October 2013. And it obviously does not include whatever was paid after the BOT emergency meeting to approve more settlements in April of this year. Penn State took the costs off their website sometime after March of this year
http://web.archive.org/web/20150330142704/http://progress.psu.edu/faqs
Article on 8/11/2015 hearing:
Curley, Spanier, Schultz appeals heard by Superior Court
http://abc27.com/2015/08/11/curley-spanier-schultz-appeals-heard-by-superior-court/
Superior Court has 90 days to rule on Tuesday’s arguments. The losing side is expected to appeal to the Supreme Court.
An actual trial, if it ever happens, is likely at least a year away.
Penn State University is picking up the legal fees for Curley, Schultz and Spanier since their alleged wrongdoing occurred in their official capacity as employees. ABC27 couldn’t get a specific breakout on the legal fees Tuesday, but a spokesman tells us that the total Sandusky-related tab is now $80 million, which includes fines, settlements, public relations and legal fees.
Here is my opinion on that specific narrow timeframe, and I know that others on here have a much better perspective and can probably blow up some of my 'theories'.... there had to be a large amount of confusion around why the BOT did not get in front of this the previous weekend, and the Paternos continued to try to reach out to the BOT members they knew and felt they had a good relationship with - trust, respect and friendship aspects included (this from the Paterno book). The BOT was circling the tree of stupidity trying to figure out what to do and who wanted to take the reins, as by this time Garban was probably saying 'hey guys... we knew this was gonna be a problem and let's do something. What do you mean 'no'?'. The Paternos most likely could not have known that the Gov was in the loop as to what actions were being planned that had political motivations behind them. They could not have anticipated that the Vioxx model would be used for handling the crisis, rather than a well-thought-out and logical plan that didn't include burning the school to the ground. Just as I will always believe Curley et. al. truly did not know what they were dealing with wrt Sandusky, I don't believe the Paternos knew what they were dealing with wrt the lengths Surma would go, along with the Gov. People tend to believe that others will act as they themselves would act in a given situation. Therefore, I think the Paternos believed that others would react with a logical, calm, rational, moral and ethical approach. When that expected reaction did not occur, even with decades-long friendships, they had to scramble to figure out what to do. They got some family advice, which may have included a 'sit tight for now until we get more info' approach, and then by the weekend Joe was hospitalized. Now it's a huge firestorm, and people were misusing Joe's "with the benefit of hindsight" quote to serve a media purpose rather than the intended one. And the weak BOT nonleaders were misusing his 'I'll step aside at the end of this season' quote to play their own victim card. This is where they should have done the right thing and talk to Joe - the best goodwill asset a university could have. Use him to help quell the firestorm rather than to stoke it.
The article regarding the 90 days limit was indeed mistaken - go figure a journalist that had no idea what they are talking about
There is no time table set for this ruling - The 90 days is only a superior court internal guideline but by no means is it a requirement -
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The Board articulated three key reasons for removing JVP from his coaching position:
1) His failure to do more when told about the suspected sexual assault in 2002.
2) His questioning of the board’s authority in the days following Jerry's arrest.
3) What they determined to be his inability to effectively continue coaching in the face of continuing questions surrounding the program.
From an institutional perspective, I believe the Board made the right decision to remove him from the job. To not have done so would have only further damaged the reputation of a university that prided itself on being a cut above most others.
Anyone who believes anything that these Lepers say is a fool.
I'll play.
There were no merits to anything they did that evening. Zip. Zero. Nada.
Ken Frazier told the BoT that he had experience with Grand Juries, and that it was something not to be taken too seriously & he could handle things. So of course they gave Frazier the reins.
In my dreams, Ken Frazier places a full page ad in the NYT with an apology to the Paterno Family, the Football Lettermen, the 3 principals he torched - Graham Spanier, Tim Curley and Gary Schultz ; and to the larger PSU community.
I'm still angry. I am stunned at the level of panic these so-called Corporate Titans exhibited, their continued hubris, arrogance, narcissm and the tone deafness. Surma and Frazier could have told the Media to shut up, sit down and wait for the facts to play out. But they did not.
I wonder, if with benefit of hindsight, John Surma wishes he had done less.
http://notpsu.blogspot.com/2013/08/preliminary-hearing-lisa-powers.html
http://notpsu.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-surma-vendetta.html
http://notpsu.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-surma-vendetta-part-2.html
http://notpsu.blogspot.com/search/label/John Surma
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No one cares what you think. You have been wrong since day one.
We need to remind the Penn State community consistently that the 11/9/2011 holdovers are dishonest cowardly dreck.
http://restorepsu.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-no-paterno-statue.html
With the benefit of hindsight, I wish John Surma's mother had a headache.
Penn State is having its ass sued by Graham Spanier because of remarks about him made by Frazier, Peetz, Erickson, and Masshole, and rightly so.
Let us not forget Tom Corbett. He can't deny he was a prime mover in this coup. He boasted on at least one occasion, "I told them to do it." I wonder what the carrots were that he waved in front of The Ship of Fools?
Except the problem is that Masshole and Frazier later testified that they fired him solely for public relations reasons, which means they lied to and on behalf of the Penn State community about the circumstances of his dismissal. There was a time when somebody who was discovered to have lied could no longer function socially and, even today, the USMA will expel a cadet for lying. So let's see:
Keith Masshole is a liar, and therefore not a gentleman.
Kenneth Frazier is a liar, and therefore not a gentleman.
Keith Dreckel is a liar, and therefore not a gentleman.
John Surma is a liar, and therefore not a gentleman.
Rodney Erickson is a liar and a coward, and therefore not a gentleman.
Paul Suhey is a liar and a coward, and therefore not a gentleman.
Paul Silvis is a liar, and therefore not a gentleman.
Ira Lubert is a liar, and therefore not a gentleman.
Broadhurst is a liar, and therefore not a gentleman.
Tom Corbett is a liar, and therefore not a gentleman.
Anne Riley is a liar, and therefore not a lady.
Stephanie Deviney is a liar, and therefore not a lady.
Karen Peetz is a liar, and therefore not a lady.
Strumpf is a liar, and therefore not a lady.
Need I continue?
Thanks for the clarification. I checked the orders today and nothing so I guess we wait.
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K & K used the word SOLELY in their testimony? You know that's not true Bill. That makes you a liar in which case you are expelled from the McAndrew Board.
Given the events going on around the world where people are getting murdered and it's recorded for the whole world to see, your choice of words are very poor. It certainly points to your lack of maturity and self-awareness.
I refer you to the scene in Guys and Dolls in which Sky Masterson tells Nathan Detroit,
"One of these days in your travels, a guy is going to show you a brand-new deck of cards on which the seal is not yet broken. Then this guy is going to offer to bet you that he can make the jack of spades jump out of this brand-new deck of cards and squirt cider in your ear. But, son, do not accept this bet, because as sure as you stand there, you're going to wind up with an ear full of cider."
http://onwardstate.com/2015/01/19/board-chairman-still-thinks-paterno-wasnt-fired/ for Masshole's testimony
“The decision to remove Coach Paterno had nothing to do with what he had known, what he hadn’t done. It was based upon the distraction of having him on the sidelines would have caused the university and the current football team harm. It had nothing to do with what Coach Paterno had done, or hadn’t done.”
This was in a deposition taken under oath. Compare however to what the Board (including Masshole) said in March 2012.
"While Coach Paterno did his legal duty by reporting that information the next day, Sunday, March 3, to his immediate superior, the then Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley, the Board reasonably inferred that he did not call police. We determined that his decision to do his minimum legal duty and not to do more to follow up constituted a failure of leadership by Coach Paterno. …At about 9 pm, we unanimously made the difficult decision that Coach Paterno’s failure of leadership required his removal as football coach."
Now you are in the same position as Sky Masterson: "Daddy, I got cider in my ear."
The Hearts of Darkness,
I am in general a forgiving person, but on this issue....the hypocrisy and defenselessly arrogant actions of the old guard, numerous state judiciary, law enforcement officials, and elected representatives I have lost my ability to do so for them. If there is a hell fire, I could barely shed a tear for them if such should be their fate. the Apocalypse Then, should be their Apocalypse Now. I would without remorse help them into the boat for their journey to visit with Colonel Kurtz, and view the pikes along the way of others that felt distortions and deflections of truth and justice would not erase their images from the mirror. For one I will never forget the actions of cowards.
I am in general a forgiving person, but on this issue....the hypocrisy and defenselessly arrogant actions of the old guard, numerous state judiciary, law enforcement officials, and elected representatives I have lost my ability to do so for them. If there is a hell fire, I could barely shed a tear for them if such should be their fate. the Apocalypse Then, should be their Apocalypse Now. I would without remorse help them into the boat for their journey to visit with Colonel Kurtz, and view the pikes along the way of others that felt distortions and deflections of truth and justice would not erase their images from the mirror. For one I will never forget the actions of cowards.
We should have somebody perform this at the next BOT meeting.
The Cowards of Centre County
(with due credit to Kenny Rogers for the original)
Nobody knew he was the coward of Centre County
He'd never had to stand for what he knew was right.
His mama named him Rodney, but no one knew he was yellow,
When the time came for him to stand, he didn't dare to fight.
In November 2011, the Trustees gave Rodney the Lion
The time soon came for him to prove himself a man.
One day while he was working, Mark Emmert he came calling
He came to screw the Lion, n'there was only one of him.
Rodney opened up the door, and saw the battered Lion.
His guts turned to water, and he did not dare advance.
The tears poured down his cheeks while his body shook
His teeth chattered, he felt right sick and found he'd wet his pants.
"What ya gonna do, boy?" Mark Emmert he did challenge
"Ya ain't gonna do nothing, you stupid worthless clown."
"Now I need some help with this 'cause your alumni want a tussle,"
So Rodney walked over and helped Mark hold the Lion down.
"We need to move on," Karen Peetz she then insisted,
While Ken Frazier said "Let's choose the easy over the right"
"Just let the matter drop" Keith Masser then demanded
Said Keith Eckel, "I'd rather cringe than stand and fight"
Then Paul Suhey he came a-crawling
He said "Rodney, better let him have it all."
When Rodney left Old Main, Paterno's statue wasn't standing.
He said, "I've saved my own sorry behind" while Penn State took the fall.
Then the NCAA boys laughed when Wick Sollers walked into the courtroom;
One of them got up and met him half way cross the floor.
When Wick turned around they said, "Another coward's leaving,"
But you could've heard a pin drop when Sollers stopped and locked the door…
The Cowards of Centre County
(with due credit to Kenny Rogers for the original)
Nobody knew he was the coward of Centre County
He'd never had to stand for what he knew was right.
His mama named him Rodney, but no one knew he was yellow,
When the time came for him to stand, he didn't dare to fight.
In November 2011, the Trustees gave Rodney the Lion
The time soon came for him to prove himself a man.
One day while he was working, Mark Emmert he came calling
He came to screw the Lion, n'there was only one of him.
Rodney opened up the door, and saw the battered Lion.
His guts turned to water, and he did not dare advance.
The tears poured down his cheeks while his body shook
His teeth chattered, he felt right sick and found he'd wet his pants.
"What ya gonna do, boy?" Mark Emmert he did challenge
"Ya ain't gonna do nothing, you stupid worthless clown."
"Now I need some help with this 'cause your alumni want a tussle,"
So Rodney walked over and helped Mark hold the Lion down.
"We need to move on," Karen Peetz she then insisted,
While Ken Frazier said "Let's choose the easy over the right"
"Just let the matter drop" Keith Masser then demanded
Said Keith Eckel, "I'd rather cringe than stand and fight"
Then Paul Suhey he came a-crawling
He said "Rodney, better let him have it all."
When Rodney left Old Main, Paterno's statue wasn't standing.
He said, "I've saved my own sorry behind" while Penn State took the fall.
Then the NCAA boys laughed when Wick Sollers walked into the courtroom;
One of them got up and met him half way cross the floor.
When Wick turned around they said, "Another coward's leaving,"
But you could've heard a pin drop when Sollers stopped and locked the door…
