Four years to the day of the JoePa beheading. How's that working out for us?

[marshall23]

Corbett planned the coup to punish Spanier. Joe was collateral damage to him and the primary target for the well known 5 or 6 key trustees. The Fools had no idea what lepers they would become for their treachery. Rather than admit their mistakes, they set upon a path to destroy the football program and destroy Joe's legacy (enter Freeh). The Fools never imagined that anyone would question the "reasonable conclusions" they paid Freeh to invent. Now they are doomed to spend tens of millions of dollars to delay and prevent the truth from seeing the light of day.

 

[marshall23]

Does anyone else remember when the Cowards claimed they didn't fire Joe?

 

[ApexLion]

Given the events going on around the world where people are getting murdered and it's recorded for the whole world to see, your choice of words are very poor. It certainly points to your lack of maturity and self-awareness.

I have used the phrase long before the issues in the Middle East and if you are incapable of understanding the figurative use of the phrase, please go back to school.

I can't stand peanut gallery posters. Try to stay on point and deal with the question or don't reply or put me on ignore. Otherwise, your interpretation and parsing of my language is not helpful to anyone.

With all due respect, I don't give a flip whether you think I'm mature or not.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

There was nothing to prevent him from holding a press conference. Yet this did not happen. One could make the statement that it is possible that there was nothing he could say to clear his role or the program. The fact is he made a choice to remain silent when his input would have been welcomed by the press.

His honoring the schools wishes at the time. The Joe I knew didn't make himself bigger than the school. I believe they asked or threatened him into not speaking IIRC.

 

[JoeBatters1]

If I remember correctly Paterno indicated he wanted to do a press conference from his home but was advised by others not to do it
(I think Joe said the advice not to do it was because it was felt he might look defensive - I could be wrong about the reason).

 

[doctornick]

And what response could the BOT have given to the press that would have prevented the firestorm? Do you think if the PSU BOT said "We take this seriously and we're looking into it" the media would have said "Oh, okay, we'll leave now, let us know when you come to a conclusion."

From the moment this story broke on Fri Nov 4 the only possible outcomes for PSU were bad and worse. I don't know if there was some way the BOT could have done something in the preceding months to soften the blow, but by Nov 4 when the story came out the game was over.

And yet Jim Boeheim is still the coach at Syracuse.

 

[WeR0206]

There was nothing to prevent him from holding a press conference. Yet this did not happen. One could make the statement that it is possible that there was nothing he could say to clear his role or the program. The fact is he made a choice to remain silent when his input would have been welcomed by the press.

Joe didn't hold his own independent press conference but it's patently untrue that Joe made a choice to remain silent. Please stop saying this. Joe released a written statement around 11/8/2011.

Here's the text:

"If true, the nature and amount of charges made are very shocking to me and all Penn Staters. While I did what I was supposed to with the one charge brought to my attention, like anyone else involved I can’t help but be deeply saddened these matters are alleged to have occurred.

Sue and I have devoted our lives to helping young people reach their potential. The fact that someone we thought we knew might have harmed young people to this extent is deeply troubling. If this is true we were all fooled, along with scores of professionals trained in such things, and we grieve for the victims and their families. They are in our prayers.

As my grand jury testimony stated, I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report. Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators.

I understand that people are upset and angry, but let's be fair and let the legal process unfold. In the meantime I would ask all Penn Staters to continue to trust in what that name represents, continue to pursue their lives every day with high ideals and not let these events shake their beliefs nor who they are."

 

[91Joe95]

Whether JVP, or anyone else, turns out to have done right or wrong in the long run isn't the point. At the time, it's a giant story about a salacious topic involving prominent people around a famous football program with a lot of unknowns and thus the media is going to be unstoppable.

You're wrong. The media didn't start salivating until the bot started lying.

 

[91Joe95]

And yet Jim Boeheim is still the coach at Syracuse.

You're blinding him with science.

 

[bamasota]

Joe didn't hold his own independent press conference but it's patently untrue that Joe made a choice to remain silent. Please stop saying this. Joe released a written statement around 11/8/2011.

Here's the text:

"If true, the nature and amount of charges made are very shocking to me and all Penn Staters. While I did what I was supposed to with the one charge brought to my attention, like anyone else involved I can’t help but be deeply saddened these matters are alleged to have occurred.

Sue and I have devoted our lives to helping young people reach their potential. The fact that someone we thought we knew might have harmed young people to this extent is deeply troubling. If this is true we were all fooled, along with scores of professionals trained in such things, and we grieve for the victims and their families. They are in our prayers.

As my grand jury testimony stated, I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report. Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators.

I understand that people are upset and angry, but let's be fair and let the legal process unfold. In the meantime I would ask all Penn Staters to continue to trust in what that name represents, continue to pursue their lives every day with high ideals and not let these events shake their beliefs nor who they are."

I believe the timeframe being discussed was after he was no longer the head coach. That was on 11/9, right?

 

[WeR0206]

I believe the timeframe being discussed was after he was no longer the head coach. That was on 11/9, right?

I don't know what "timeframe" you had in your head re: the above discussions, but your statement of "The fact is he made a choice to remain silent when his input would have been welcomed by the press." is simply not true. Joe did give statements to the press after the GJP was "leaked".

Even if Joe did have a PC after he was fired I doubt it would have been any different from what he said in his written statements, perhaps that's why he didn't hold a PC or maybe his counsel advised against it, who the heck knows. By the time Joe was fired he had already told the press what he had to say via his written statements, the press simply ignored it and then when Joe was fired that gave the message to the press that PSU brass thought Joe was guilty/involved somehow in enabling JS and that completely overshadowed any statements Joe had already released at the time that ran counter to the narrative the OG BOT was trying to set.

 

[bamasota]

I don't know what "timeframe" you had in your head re: the above discussions, but your statement of "The fact is he made a choice to remain silent when his input would have been welcomed by the press." is simply not true. Joe did give statements to the press after the GJP was "leaked".

Even if Joe did have a PC after he was fired I doubt it would have been any different from what he said in his written statements, perhaps that's why he didn't hold a PC or maybe his counsel advised against it, who the heck knows. By the time Joe was fired he had already told the press what he had to say via his written statements, the press simply ignored it and then when Joe was fired that gave the message to the press that PSU brass thought Joe was guilty/involved somehow in enabling JS and that completely overshadowed any statements Joe had already released at the time that ran counter to the narrative the OG BOT was trying to set.

The "timeframe" in my head was the one in Ned's post that I responded to, which was after Joe was fired. Please try to keep up. So you are saying that he held a press conference after 11/9 and what I'm saying is not true?

 

[Zenophile]

I don't know if there was some way the BOT could have done something in the preceding months to soften the blow, but by Nov 4 when the story came out the game was over.

If you're offering that as an opinion, I wholeheartedly disagree. See: crisis management.

And if you're offering that as some sort of twisted fact, it's revisionist history.

 

[WeR0206]

The "timeframe" in my head was the one in Ned's post that I responded to, which was after Joe was fired. Please try to keep up. So you are saying that he held a press conference after 11/9 and what I'm saying is not true?

You're the one who needs to keep up. I'm saying Joe didn't need to hold a PC or release another statement after he got fired because his side of the story was already out there BEFORE he got fired.

IOW, Joe already "broke his silence" via his written statement before he was even fired. Once he was fired he can't re-break his silence (his side of the story was already out there) on the matter via another written statement or press conference, etc.. because he'd already addressed the matter and would simply be repeating himself.

 

[Op2]

If you're offering that as an opinion, I wholeheartedly disagree. See: crisis management.

And if you're offering that as some sort of twisted fact, it's revisionist history.

Well, since crisis management exists I guess nothing has ever gone bad for anyone or anything because after all, all you have to do when a crisis comes is manage it. Pretty simple.

 

[Zenophile]

Well, since crisis management exists I guess nothing has ever gone bad for anyone or anything because after all, all you have to do when a crisis comes is manage it. Pretty simple.

You're right. It's best to crawl under a desk for 6 days, and hope for the best.

 

[Misder2]

Well, since crisis management exists I guess nothing has ever gone bad for anyone or anything because after all, all you have to do when a crisis comes is manage it. Pretty simple.

The crisis was there for year for Christ's sake. You think maybe they could have at least talked about it ?

 

[NitFan1974]

My apologies for posting here.

I forgot that this place is the den of people who have lost all logical thought processes and ways of expression when it comes to anything Paterno-related.

You're an idiot. They killed Joe dead just as sure as if they had plunged the knife into his back and twisted it with their own two hands.

 

[B_Levinson]

Here is what you said in your previous post: "Except the problem is that Masshole and Frazier later testified that they fired him solely for public relations reasons"

I don't see anywhere in the testimony you now linked/quoted where it was said that JVP was fired "solely for public relations reasons". Thank you for providing the proof that you lied.

You are lying with the proof right in front of you. Masshole testified that the reason was that having him on the sidelines would be a distraction, i.e. public relations reasons, and that was the only reason.

 

[B_Levinson]

Cruising Route 66 said: ↑
The Board articulated three key reasons for removing JVP from his coaching position:

1) His failure to do more when told about the suspected sexual assault in 2002.
2) His questioning of the board’s authority in the days following Jerry's arrest.
3) What they determined to be his inability to effectively continue coaching in the face of continuing questions surrounding the program.

From an institutional perspective, I believe the Board made the right decision to remove him from the job. To not have done so would have only further damaged the reputation of a university that prided itself on being a cut above most others.

=======================================================

This underscores the dishonesty and incompetence of the Board members in question. Had Paterno "done more," he would have almost certainly violated both University and NCAA policies while exposing Penn State to a multimillion dollar defamation lawsuit had the allegation been proven wrong.

Any Board member associated with this statement is not fit to hold any position of supervisory responsibility, and I mean BNY Mellon and Merck as much as I mean Penn State.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

You're an idiot. They killed Joe dead just as sure as if they had plunged the knife into his back and twisted it with their own two hands.

^^^case in point^^^

 

[millerjs32]

Well, for starters the Board of Trustees could've reminded the press what exactly a grand jury presentment is, it's a one-sided document from the prosecution side that is not factually based and is not something that anyone should be making decisions based on.

Secondly if The Board of Trustees did any due diligence on their part they could've told the press that both 1998 and 2001 incidents were reported outside of PennState and that if there's any failure they would have to talk to those folks (TSM) down the reporting the line from them.

They also should've separated the alleged crimes of Sandusky (one man) from the school but instead they bizarrely decided to own those crimes which is the exact opposite of what they should've done and also reminded the press that the admins have still yet to have their day in court and that they're innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. They also should've reminded the press that Joe Paterno was not charged with any crime's and that he was considered a cooperating witness for the prosecution.

What I listed above is basic level public relations 101 and it it's beyond me that lawyers and CEOs of companies would've decided to go completely against all of these basic tenants of crisis management. How the board responded to the emerging crisis back in November 2011 was a calculated move and it was not just mere incompetence or panic.

When you subconsciously know YOU (BOT) are, or have been aware of this, and need to cover your ass, all rational decision making is impossible. The mind works in mysterious ways, and IMO the BOT was not able to see how their actions would be seen because they were blinded by guilt and shame. Although I honestly doubt many on the Board at that time were capable of feeling shame (.a painful feeling of humiliation or distress caused by the consciousness of wrong or foolish behavior) ...........................

 

[bkmtnittany1]

Someone correct me if I am wrong but I thought Paterno didnt have his own press conference because of the 5-6 million he got from his buyout after they fired him...sorry, relieved him of his duties. I thought he was told if he said anything the BOT could hold back that money.

 

[bamasota]

Someone correct me if I am wrong but I thought Paterno didnt have his own press conference because of the 5-6 million he got from his buyout after they fired him...sorry, relieved him of his duties. I thought he was told if he said anything the BOT could hold back that money.

That can't be true. Why would Joe place more importance on money than he would to get the truth out?

 

[91Joe95]

Someone correct me if I am wrong but I thought Paterno didnt have his own press conference because of the 5-6 million he got from his buyout after they fired him...sorry, relieved him of his duties. I thought he was told if he said anything the BOT could hold back that money.

No, the Paterno's made the bot their bitch in those negotiations. Got everything they asked for and retained the right to sue them if they so chose. The bot got, well, lots of future depositions.

 

[Aoshiro]

Someone correct me if I am wrong but I thought Paterno didnt have his own press conference because of the 5-6 million he got from his buyout after they fired him...sorry, relieved him of his duties. I thought he was told if he said anything the BOT could hold back that money.

You are wrong.

 

[bkmtnittany1]

Actually glad if I am wrong....Boy, do I miss that guy.

 

[Corabi94]

The Board articulated three key reasons for removing JVP from his coaching position:

1) His failure to do more when told about the suspected sexual assault in 2002.
2) His questioning of the board’s authority in the days following Jerry's arrest.
3) What they determined to be his inability to effectively continue coaching in the face of continuing questions surrounding the program.

From an institutional perspective, I believe the Board made the right decision to remove him from the job. To not have done so would have only further damaged the reputation of a university that prided itself on being a cut above most others.

Sorry, but number 3 is a joke. Therr were people out to screw Paterno and Corb

I have used the phrase long before the issues in the Middle East and if you are incapable of understanding the figurative use of the phrase, please go back to school.

I can't stand peanut gallery posters. Try to stay on point and deal with the question or don't reply or put me on ignore. Otherwise, your interpretation and parsing of my language is not helpful to anyone.

With all due respect, I don't give a flip whether you think I'm mature or not.

You are a perfect example of why those of us who support restoring Paterno's name get a bad rap. You are a jackass as best and are an embarrassment to us. Please go away forever. Become a Pitt fan.

 

[B_Levinson]

You are lying with the proof right in front of you. Masshole testified that the reason was that having him on the sidelines would be a distraction, i.e. public relations reasons, and that was the only reason.

It looks like Cruising Route 66 can offer no further defense for his friends on the Board of Trustees. I guess he dried up and blew away in the wind.

Speaking of drying up and blowing away in the wind, Keith Masser tells Penn State's alumni (symbolized by Harry Callahan) what he thinks of them while his friends Keith Eckel and John Surma laugh.

Dried up and blew away on the wind:
Kenneth Frazier
Karen Peetz
John Surma
Jesse Arnelle
Marianne Alexander
James Broadhurst
Steve Garban
Hintz

Stepped on and squashed:
Anne Riley
Stephanie Deviney
Paul Suhey
Joel Myers

Scraped up with a shovel:
Tom Corbett

 

[Lattner]

Corbett planned the coup to punish Spanier. Joe was collateral damage to him and the primary target for the well known 5 or 6 key trustees. The Fools had no idea what lepers they would become for their treachery. Rather than admit their mistakes, they set upon a path to destroy the football program and destroy Joe's legacy (enter Freeh). The Fools never imagined that anyone would question the "reasonable conclusions" they paid Freeh to invent. Now they are doomed to spend tens of millions of dollars to delay and prevent the truth from seeing the light of day.

Freeh got his worth out of it.

 

[B_Levinson]

Freeh got his worth out of it.

So far, Freeh is the only one who has come out ahead. However, he is being sued for defamation by Graham Spanier so he also may end up being stepped on and squashed.

 

[royboy]

I have used the phrase long before the issues in the Middle East and if you are incapable of understanding the figurative use of the phrase, please go back to school.

I can't stand peanut gallery posters. Try to stay on point and deal with the question or don't reply or put me on ignore. Otherwise, your interpretation and parsing of my language is not helpful to anyone.

With all due respect, I don't give a flip whether you think I'm mature or not.

You are a perfect example of why those of us who support restoring Paterno's name get a bad rap. You are a jackass as best and are an embarrassment to us. Please go away forever. Become a Pitt fan.

Corabi94, your stuff won't fly here.

Apex has been around here for a long time and demonstrated a good grasp of the issues and loving respect for Joe Paterno and Penn State.

You on the other hand just showed up (or at least under this board name) and are shooting from the hip.

So, if anybody should bid adieu, it's you.

 

[Corabi94]

Corabi94, your stuff won't fly here.

Apex has been around here for a long time and demonstrated a good grasp of the issues and loving respect for Joe Paterno and Penn State.

You on the other hand just showed up (or at least under this board name) and are shooting from the hip.

So, if anybody should bid adieu, it's you.

Actually I've been around here for many years. G

Corabi94, your stuff won't fly here.

Apex has been around here for a long time and demonstrated a good grasp of the issues and loving respect for Joe Paterno and Penn State.

You on the other hand just showed up (or at least under this board name) and are shooting from the hip.

So, if anybody should bid adieu, it's you.

Actually, I've been on this board since 2002, but nice try. Regarding his knowledge, I don't care how great it is. It's how you present it. Using a phrase such as "beheading" in relation to Paterno and then justifying it by saying "I've used it before the problems in the Middle East" is laughable and embarrassing. This is especially true for those who support the Paterno's and want to see them cleared, but get lumped in with people that make these types of statements.

Thanks for your opinion though.

 

[Corabi94]

Actually I've been around here for many years. G

Actually, I've been on this board since 2002, but nice try. Regarding his knowledge, I don't care how great it is. It's how you present it. Using a phrase such as "beheading" in relation to Paterno and then justifying it by saying "I've used it before the problems in the Middle East" is laughable and embarrassing. This is especially true for those who support the Paterno's and want to see them cleared, but get lumped in with people that make these types of statements.

Thanks for your opinion though.

And check my profile for the year I joined.