Franklin among favorites for USC job, per BetOnline Sportsbook

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

UCLA has "snazzy" uniforms...… and bookoo gorgeous California Gurls…..

But they haven't won anything since Terry Donahue was there (in fact, since the early part of Donahue's tenure there)….. and that is like 5 or 6 coaches ago - back in the mid 1980s.

You might be right that they are just "not committed"..... though they seem to spend a lot of money on flavor of the week coaches.



Why they have been impotent for the better part of two generations? Who knows, but they've tried just about every key in the drawer - and still can't find the one that opens the door.

Over the last 30+ years, the UCLA coach with the best winning percentage is...…… Carl Dorrell! (Who? ) ….. who's best finish in five years at Westwood was one third place spot in the P10.

Since 1989: Pac 10(12) Records

Donahue 28-26-1
Bob Toledo 32-24
Carl Dorrell 24-18
Ricky "Tavern" Neuheisel 13-23
Jim Mora 30-26
Chipper Kelly 4-6

Total: 131-123-1

They haven't been in a "New Year's Six" Bowl in this century.... and their last Rose Bowl win was against Chuckie Long's Iowa Hawkeyes (thanks to Ronnie Harmon fumbling everything from the football, to the Gatorade bottle, to the jar of stick-um )

That's a hell of a long history of "less than meh"..... in a conference that hasn't exactly been deeply loaded with quality programs.


But:

Friend is a big UCLA fan. The Rose Bowl is great, but old and off campus. Fans there are way more into basketball noting they have probably the most successful athletic department in the country the past century or so (recent couple of decades not withstanding). I think USC is a better choice for players who are serious about football - and they've shown they can compete and win against anyone (actually preferred USC dominance to what we currently have which is Bama and Clemson). Might be a good fit for Franklin - bright lights, big city, bigger expectations - but no one is going to leave for UCLA (even though it's gorgeous).

 

[Art]

Therein lies the rub. I obviously cannot say what Franklin is thinking or whether anything for him has changed, but time and money have a way of changing one's perspective. In 2014, I fully believe he was truthful when he said Penn State was his dream job. Is it still? I don't know. When did he last make such a comment? It's not something I would expect him to talk about regularly. He's at Penn State and he's doing his job right now. That's all I know.

Forgetting click-bait articles, I am curious whether Franklin is as enamored with Penn State now as in 2014. In 2014, he had just come to Penn State, which is a major promotion over Vanderbilt. And he is a Pennsylvanian. However, now he's been on campus for five years. Without trying to incite ART. or BARRY. , that's five years around the university administration. We know he's been pushing for investments in the program. He's gotten some commitments, but not everything I'm sure he wants. How does he feel about that? Also, being at Penn State is no longer new. Is he antsy?

Again, I don't pretend to know what Franklin is thinking, but it is fair to question whether anything has changed in his mind in five years.

Nobody is going to give give Franklin everything he wants until he starts winning like Saban or Swinney.

As HC, he's worked for two ADs (we won't count Fester). Both have pretty much delivered on his major requests. When he had a request of David Williams it was handled in the normal course of business. Sandy, in contrast, behaves differently. She often starts by trying to play hardball. Then, she agrees in principle...and delays. There is some back and forth, and still the delays. Franklin goes public and Sandy caves. Then she tries to find money. Not the best way of doing business, probably not the way Franklin would like to do it, but he knows the drill

 

[Fox Chapel Lion II]

I would not call the pay scale for our assistants 'garbage' at all. It is not at the top of the scale. When CJF wanted to retain Shoop-de-doop, he got the money to do so, until Buyout Bob went to the well once too often. When vacancies have arose we've brought in the guys that CJF apparently wanted. We paid JoeMo pretty well - he left because he wanted to be a P5 head man.

Guys are paid competitive it seems to me. If we have big success they've been able to get an increase or parlay into a bigger job elsewhere.

You always want to pay your key people fairly and make them feel appreciated and respected. But there is no need - and no point - to urinate money away either.

 

[Art]

The “ sell” for any Coach will be what kind of investment the school would be putting into the facilities as well as what type of payroll available for a new Coach to hire any assistant they want...

Doubt Franklin leaves in the near future however... if Penn State is unwilling to open the bank like other top schools ie Alabama , Ohio State , Michigan etc..Then I think the Head coaching job at Penn State will always be a stepping stone..

When was the last time you heard of a coach who was hired with a commitment by the school to invest a ton of money in new facilities? That comes after the coach wins making donors more liberal with their checkbooks.

Staff salaries are another matter. Depends on which Brent you're bringing. If it ain't the Venables variety, you ain't getting $2mm per.

 

[Kiber]

A "dream job" is really in the eye of the beholder. But if you are ranking "dream jobs" based on the true variables to win:
1. Financial commitment from the school to win at football
2. Recruiting base
3. An admin willing to "look the other way" on small issues such as academics

Then you'd have to include about 1/2 of the SEC in the top 10 of "best jobs". Using those 3 criteria -- because I'm assuming a Head Coach wants the ability to win national championships -- My top 10 coaching jobs would include (in no particular order):

Bama, Florida, Georgia, Auburn, LSU and Texas A&M from the SEC ... all of these SEC programs have the 100% financial commitment from their school and they have the natural recruiting base and they have admins who are willing to be "flexible" on admissions.

Non-SEC programs would include: Ohio State, Clemson, Texas and Oklahoma

 

[Fox Chapel Lion II]

Friend is a big UCLA fan. The Rose Bowl is great, but old and off campus. Fans there are way more into basketball noting they have probably the most successful athletic department in the country the past century or so (recent couple of decades not withstanding). I think USC is a better choice for players who are serious about football - and they've shown they can compete and win against anyone (actually preferred USC dominance to what we currently have which is Bama and Clemson). Might be a good fit for Franklin - bright lights, big city, bigger expectations - but no one is going to leave for UCLA (even though it's gorgeous).

I loved the California trip and want to do it again. The Rose Bowl (building) sucks eggs. Those tunnels to get to the seats are reminiscent of Franklin Field.

 

[MJG-90]

Why they have been impotent for the better part of two generations? Who knows, but they've tried just about every key in the drawer - and still can't find the one that opens the door.

I can't prove a thing, but I have a feeling it's tough to keep kids focused there. It's situated along Sunset Boulevard, across the street from Bel-Air. And right between Beverly Hills, Santa Monica and Malibu. It's a beautiful area with beautiful women everywhere and lots to do on every corner.

And the football stadium is almost 30 miles away. Given LA traffic, that could be anywhere from 45 minutes to two hours.

 

[Art]

A "dream job" is really in the eye of the beholder. But if you are ranking "dream jobs" based on the true variables to win:
1. Financial commitment from the school to win at football
2. Recruiting base
3. An admin willing to "look the other way" on small issues such as academics

Then you'd have to include about 1/2 of the SEC in the top 10 of "best jobs". Using those 3 criteria -- because I'm assuming a Head Coach wants the ability to win national championships -- My top 10 coaching jobs would include (in no particular order):

Bama, Florida, Georgia, Auburn, LSU and Texas A&M from the SEC ... all of these SEC programs have the 100% financial commitment from their school and they have the natural recruiting base and they have admins who are willing to be "flexible" on admissions.

Non-SEC programs would include: Ohio State, Clemson, Texas and Oklahoma

What does "100% financial commitment from their school" mean? None of the programs you listed draw funds from the general fund of the school (indeed, Bama upstreams a nice chunk of its AD surplus to the school). With the exception of Ohio State, none of them sponsor (and pay for) as many money-losers as PSU does. When Clemson needed more money for its football program some years ago, it cut a handful of sports.

What each of those schools have is an AD who is capable of generating cash, either internally or externally. PSU has an AD who, thusfar, has only shown an ability to spend it.

As far as an admin that is "flexible" on admissions, keep in mind that PSU admitted Corey Bolds.

 

[ram2020]

I don't want to flame this rumor, but let's not make is sound like it is an impossibility for Franklin to consider USC because of traffic and home prices. Where would you rather be a multi-millionaire? How about your wife? Central PA or LA LA land? Great weather, good looking people, thousands of things to do and spend your money on that don't exist in central PA. WAAAAAAAY easier conference and opportunity to get to the playoff. Franklin has stated to recruits he wants to be the first African American head coach to win a college championship. Great recruiting footprint, better than he has now in this state. He could be a STAR in LA and get them into the playoffs or rose bowl regularly. Program with tons of history, money, and all the amenities you could ask for. If we remove our bias, can you really say this would be an opportunity to sneeze at? I would consider it if I were in his shoes if contacted. I'd talk to my wife and I'd fear she would want to be there more and Central PA.

The other enticement may be with a new AD. It is not unusual for a school to consult a coach they really want about their AD hire. What if USC hires Franklin's old Vandy AD or someone Franklin is fond of?

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

A "dream job" is really in the eye of the beholder. But if you are ranking "dream jobs" based on the true variables to win:
1. Financial commitment from the school to win at football
2. Recruiting base
3. An admin willing to "look the other way" on small issues such as academics

Then you'd have to include about 1/2 of the SEC in the top 10 of "best jobs". Using those 3 criteria -- because I'm assuming a Head Coach wants the ability to win national championships -- My top 10 coaching jobs would include (in no particular order):

Bama, Florida, Georgia, Auburn, LSU and Texas A&M from the SEC ... all of these SEC programs have the 100% financial commitment from their school and they have the natural recruiting base and they have admins who are willing to be "flexible" on admissions.

Non-SEC programs would include: Ohio State, Clemson, Texas and Oklahoma

All those schools compete with each other for recruits and wins; not ideal IMO. USC competes nationally, so that's all the big dogs, but remember a lot of top talent (and recruits in general) likes to stay relatively close to home when it comes to picking schools - that means USC, UCLA, Stanford, ASU, and Arizona for a lot of SoCal kids - easy choice. And easy path to a NC.

 

[Kiber]

I don't want to flame this rumor, but let's not make is sound like it is an impossibility for Franklin to consider USC because of traffic and home prices. Where would you rather be a multi-millionaire? How about your wife? Central PA or LA LA land? Great weather, good looking people, thousands of things to do and spend your money on that don't exist in central PA. WAAAAAAAY easier conference and opportunity to get to the playoff. Franklin has stated to recruits he wants to be the first African American head coach to win a college championship. Great recruiting footprint, better than he has now in this state. He could be a STAR in LA and get them into the playoffs or rose bowl regularly. Program with tons of history, money, and all the amenities you could ask for. If we remove our bias, can you really say this would be an opportunity to sneeze at? I would consider it if I were in his shoes if contacted. I'd talk to my wife and I'd fear she would want to be there more and Central PA.

The other enticement may be with a new AD. It is not unusual for a school to consult a coach they really want about their AD hire. What if USC hires Franklin's old Vandy AD or someone Franklin is fond of?

All true. Heck, we see this with HS recruits. As you say "if we take away our bias"... We all love Penn State and think it's the greatest place on Earth. But we can not understand when a 17-year old HS kid goes on a visit and sees some of these other places and gets blown away.

Being a "star" in LA is going to be tougher because they now have 2 NFL teams, the Dodgers are good again, and the Lakers look to be rebuilding. 5 years ago, LA had zero NFL teams, the Dodgers were not nearly as good and the Lakers sucked. So yea, the HC at USC is still up there in the status of LA sports celebs, but he will have some serious competition. USC is a national sell. As Pete Carroll proved, when they are clicking, they get kids from all over the country. It's an easier sell.

 

[Shadow99]

Bama, Florida, Georgia, Auburn, LSU and Texas A&M from the SEC ... all of these SEC programs have the 100% financial commitment from their school and they have the natural recruiting base and they have admins who are willing to be "flexible" on admissions.

Purely perception-based (and therefore not necessarily factual) but I don't remember having the impression of Texas A&M as that type of school when it was in the Big 12 before joining the SEC.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Purely perception-based (and therefore not necessarily factual) but I don't remember having the impression of Texas A&M as that type of school when it was in the Big 12 before joining the SEC.

A&M has tons, and tons, of cash.

Per USA Today and NCAA financial records, the Aggies' athletic department had more than $200 million in operating revenue for the second straight year in 2018 and is one of only three schools (along with Ohio State and Texas) to exceed that figure. The Aggies' revenues are a product of massive donations that have been used to fund infrastructure for football, softball and track and field (spending is not included in operating expenses but rather considered as a capital expenditure).

A&M's total revenues were $212 million in 2017-2018 offset by expenses of about $166 million. According to USA Today, the operating revenue amount reflects total donations raised and spent during the fiscal year while the operating expense amount does not include the donation money that was spent on capital projects. Chief Financial Officer Jeff Toole said that if the costs of A&M's capital projects is taken into account, expenses are over $200 million and the over surplus for the athletic department is about $3 million. In all, A&M spent about $44 million on facilities per the NCAA.

 

[djr4rebs]

All those schools compete with each other for recruits and wins; not ideal IMO. USC competes nationally, so that's all the big dogs, but remember a lot of top talent (and recruits in general) likes to stay relatively close to home when it comes to picking schools - that means USC, UCLA, Stanford, ASU, and Arizona for a lot of SoCal kids - easy choice. And easy path to a NC.

Before USC and their run with Sneaky Pete, when was the last time they were in the NC conversation? Late 70s?

Pete slipped in there, bought a few players, kept a few eligible, had Hollywood on the sidelines, and they had a great run from the middle of '02 until '08-'09 when he left for Seattle before anything major happened.

In theory, it sounds like a place that should be easy to straight line to the playoff, but the data out there doesn't support it.

 

[BobPSU92]

When was the last time you heard of a coach who was hired with a commitment by the school to invest a ton of money in new facilities? That comes after the coach wins making donors more liberal with their checkbooks.

Staff salaries are another matter. Depends on which Brent you're bringing. If it ain't the Venables variety, you ain't getting $2mm per.

I imagine a coach with the track record of an urban or saban would approach a new job with demands or they wouldn't take the job. A guy like urban is comfortable and doesn't need to coach. If usc came calling, I figure he would do his due diligence as far as the facilities and other things (being in the industry, he probably already has a good feeling for the situation) and would make demands up front. These things may not be publicized, but I'm guessing they happen when the top candidates are involved.

Then again, I could just be obtuse, again.

 

[ram2020]

"Rumor"?
Sweet Jeebzus.


This is about 4 generations removed from being able to be called a "Rumor"


It's some shit-for-brains - admittedly - pulling crap out of "less than thin air", calling it a "story"...… and trying to titillate enough mouth-breathers to fill his quota of clicks, and catalyze the hordes of dingleberries to take to their keyboards.

But... yeah

Yeah, wrong word choice. I'll call it unfounded and speculative non-story. Better?

 

[Art]

A&M has tons, and tons, of cash.

Per USA Today and NCAA financial records, the Aggies' athletic department had more than $200 million in operating revenue for the second straight year in 2018 and is one of only three schools (along with Ohio State and Texas) to exceed that figure. The Aggies' revenues are a product of massive donations that have been used to fund infrastructure for football, softball and track and field (spending is not included in operating expenses but rather considered as a capital expenditure).

A&M's total revenues were $212 million in 2017-2018 offset by expenses of about $166 million. According to USA Today, the operating revenue amount reflects total donations raised and spent during the fiscal year while the operating expense amount does not include the donation money that was spent on capital projects. Chief Financial Officer Jeff Toole said that if the costs of A&M's capital projects is taken into account, expenses are over $200 million and the over surplus for the athletic department is about $3 million. In all, A&M spent about $44 million on facilities per the NCAA.

This is what happens when a school spends $485mm to renovate its football field and is locked in (by the NCAA) to funny accounting. By the time it adjusts out, the amounts will be rounding error.

Ohio State, on the other hand, earns its money the old fashioned way. Athletic department is a cash generating juggernaut.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Before USC and their run with Sneaky Pete, when was the last time they were in the NC conversation? Late 70s?

Pete slipped in there, bought a few players, kept a few eligible, had Hollywood on the sidelines, and they had a great run from the middle of '02 until '08-'09 when he left for Seattle before anything major happened.

In theory, it sounds like a place that should be easy to straight line to the playoff, but the data out there doesn't support it.

With the right coach (buying players or not - I'll contend they still win NC's without Reggie Bush) they've proven:

1. They can win a National Championship
2. Can recruit as well or better than anyone else.

With the right coach, that is Bama West. I think Franklin (or Meyer) would kill it there.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

This is what happens when a school spends $485mm to renovate its football filed and is locked in (by the NCAA) to funny accounting. By the time it adjusts out, the amounts will be rounding error.

Ohio State, on the other hand, earns its money the old fashioned way. Athletic department is a cash generating juggernaut.

Why would the NCAA care how much A&M spends on football field renovations? What is their interest?

 

[KnightSlayer]

Looks like we have a coaching candidate showdown on Saturday at 3:30. Matt Ruhle and his Baylor Bears vs Matt Cambell and his Iowa St Cyclones. The winner will jump to the front of the annual "Who replaces Franklin when he leaves for USC" sweepstakes.

We might as just well recycle this article from last year. Their top 3 last year were Moorhead, Ruhle, Campbell.

https://thespun.com/big-ten/penn-st...e-would-hire-if-james-franklin-leaves-for-usc

 

[Art]

I imagine a coach with the track record of an urban or saban would approach a new job with demands or they wouldn't take the job. A guy like urban is comfortable and doesn't need to coach. If usc came calling, I figure he would do his due diligence as far as the facilities and other things (being in the industry, he probably already has a good feeling for the situation) and would make demands up front. These things may not be publicized, but I'm guessing they happen when the top candidates are involved.

Then again, I could just be obtuse, again.

I wouldn't doubt that coaches have tried to get those sorts of commitments as part of the hiring process. And I suspect that more than a few ADs have muttered something like "we'll do our best." But putting together an actionable package that goes into nine figures in a matter of days or a couple of weeks isn't something most ADs can do unless they have one (or two) huge hitters willing to underwrite it blind. As it is, they're often scrambling for money for the coach's pay package. Most coaches realize that, so they'll take the dough for themselves and worry about the rest later.

 

[MJG-90]

LA traffic is only an issue if you are trying to drive somewhere. I don't know exactly where USC sits in the city (I never drove past it while out there, though I've been past Loyola Marymount a bazillion times). My brother lived down the street from Venice High and then in Santa Monica (he now lives in Santa Barbara) and we pretty much walked everywhere. I would assume if Franklin wanted to coach in LA, he'd live nearby the campus and do the same.

Financially, the Pac 12 is falling behind the Big Ten and SEC (and quite possibly the ACC) in TV revenue. So if USC needs facility upgrades to make a guy like Franklin happy, I'm not sure they would have the revenue to make it happen.

 

[Art]

Looks like we have a coaching candidate showdown on Saturday at 3:30. Matt Ruhle and his Baylor Bears vs Matt Cambell and his Iowa St Cyclones. The winner will jump to the front of the annual "Who replaces Franklin when he leaves for USC" sweepstakes.

We might as just well recycle this article from last year. Their top 3 last year were Moorhead, Ruhle, Campbell.

https://thespun.com/big-ten/penn-st...e-would-hire-if-james-franklin-leaves-for-usc

Campbell would cost a school hiring him between $6mm-$12mm in buyout. Can't say for Moorhead, although MSU has historically had low or no buyout provisions for its coaches, or for Rhule because his contract details are undisclosed.

 

[RTRMR]

I must’ve missed the part where the USC HC position is open?

 

[danvillenit]

Franklin isn’t going to get a better

I can't prove a thing, but I have a feeling it's tough to keep kids focused there. It's situated along Sunset Boulevard, across the street from Bel-Air. And right between Beverly Hills, Santa Monica and Malibu. It's a beautiful area with beautiful women everywhere and lots to do on every corner.

And the football stadium is almost 30 miles away. Given LA traffic, that could be anywhere from 45 minutes to two hours.

Sounds like great place to raise two preteen girls

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

Bill O’Brien used PSU as a steppingstone.

EVERYTHING that CJF has said from day one has indicated that PSU is his dream job. If he were to move on to Southern Cal, he’d never have ANY credibility for anything he ever said for the rest of his life.

Personally, I can’t see that move ever happening because of his family. But, at the same time, he and I have never discussed it during his visits to Chicagoland.

Nonsense

 

[MJG-90]

Sounds like great place to raise two preteen girls

That's UCLA, not USC. USC is not in nearly as nice of a neighborhood.

 

[Art]

Imagine what PSU ICA's financials would look like when (if?) PSU took on even 1/2 of Barbour's Phase 1 Master Plan?
What would it look like if they took on capital projects to facilities that are actually necessary to generate revenue?

"Raise ticket prices.... and take on more debt!" Mark Dambly, Financial Wizard

Raise football ticket prices and borrow to build a swimmin' hole:

 

[KnightSlayer]

Campbell would cost a school hiring him between $6mm-$12mm in buyout. Can't say for Moorhead, although MSU has historically had low or no buyout provisions for its coaches, or for Rhule because his contract details are undisclosed.

I'm just having fun pulling some articles from the past. Franklin went from being fired in early 2016 to who would have replaced Franklin if Moorhead didn't save his job to back to back years of leading for the USC job.

5 potential replacements for James Franklin at Penn State (Early 2016)
https://fansided.com/2016/09/10/james-franklin-replacements-penn-state/

If Joe Moorhead Didn't 'Save James Franklin's Job,' Who's Penn State Head Coach in 2018? (Early 2018)
https://herosports.com/college-football/joe-moorhead-james-franklin-penn-state-ahah

Who Penn State Would Hire If James Franklin Leaves For USC (Late 2018)
https://thespun.com/big-ten/penn-st...e-would-hire-if-james-franklin-leaves-for-usc

James Franklin Among Favorites For USC Head Coaching Job (Early 2019)
https://onwardstate.com/2019/09/23/...c-head-coaching-job-per-betonline-sportsbook/https://fansided.com/2016/09/10/james-franklin-replacements-penn-state/

 

[danvillenit]

That's UCLA, not USC. USC is not in nearly as nice of a neighborhood.

Sarcasm

 

[Art]

QUOTE="KnightSlayer, post: 4338642, member: 10552"]I'm just having fun pulling some articles from the past. Franklin went from being fired in early 2016 to who would have replaced Franklin if Moorhead didn't save his job to back to back years of leading for the USC job.

5 potential replacements for James Franklin at Penn State (Early 2016)
https://fansided.com/2016/09/10/james-franklin-replacements-penn-state/

If Joe Moorhead Didn't 'Save James Franklin's Job,' Who's Penn State Head Coach in 2018? (Early 2018)
https://herosports.com/college-football/joe-moorhead-james-franklin-penn-state-ahah

Who Penn State Would Hire If James Franklin Leaves For USC (Late 2018)
https://thespun.com/big-ten/penn-st...e-would-hire-if-james-franklin-leaves-for-usc

James Franklin Among Favorites For USC Head Coaching Job (Early 2019)
https://onwardstate.com/2019/09/23/...c-head-coaching-job-per-betonline-sportsbook/https://fansided.com/2016/09/10/james-franklin-replacements-penn-state/[/QUOTE]


Oh, I know. But the people who pollute journalistic outlets with this crap have no clue over what's involved in the whole process. It's like "wtf, the school can write the check." Even funnier when one realizes what these clowns get paid.

 

[Harrisburg Dave]

"I'm a Vanderbilt guy with a Tennessee heart."

Nobody, with any hope of having a successful career, wants anywhere near that disaster in Knoxville.

 

[Kiber]

A&M has tons, and tons, of cash.

Per USA Today and NCAA financial records, the Aggies' athletic department had more than $200 million in operating revenue for the second straight year in 2018 and is one of only three schools (along with Ohio State and Texas) to exceed that figure. The Aggies' revenues are a product of massive donations that have been used to fund infrastructure for football, softball and track and field (spending is not included in operating expenses but rather considered as a capital expenditure).

A&M's total revenues were $212 million in 2017-2018 offset by expenses of about $166 million. According to USA Today, the operating revenue amount reflects total donations raised and spent during the fiscal year while the operating expense amount does not include the donation money that was spent on capital projects. Chief Financial Officer Jeff Toole said that if the costs of A&M's capital projects is taken into account, expenses are over $200 million and the over surplus for the athletic department is about $3 million. In all, A&M spent about $44 million on facilities per the NCAA.

Basically "every" school in Texas has cash. Heck, Dana Holgerson left a Power 5 program in West Virginia to go to a non-Power 5 program in Houston. I'm sure Holgerson's motivation was that he thought his chances of winning at Houston were greater than at WVU. At Houston he has cash for bigger & better facilities, he has alumni with deeeeeeeeeep pockets for donations, and he is sitting in a fertile recruiting base.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Basically "every" school in Texas has cash. Heck, Dana Holgerson left a Power 5 program in West Virginia to go to a non-Power 5 program in Houston. I'm sure Holgerson's motivation was that he thought his chances of winning at Houston were greater than at WVU. At Houston he has cash for bigger & better facilities, he has alumni with deeeeeeeeeep pockets for donations, and he is sitting in a fertile recruiting base.

Not like A&M and Texas have cash. Just look at their financials - no one has the revenue of A&M and Texas except maybe OSU.

 

[Kiber]

Not like A&M and Texas have cash. Just look at their financials - no one has the revenue of A&M and Texas except maybe OSU.

Oh, I agree. No one has cash like Texas and Texas A&M. Those financials are for the reported revenues. What is not reported is the never-ending stream of big money deep-pocketed alumni each school has, who is willing to make huge donations. Imagine PSU having 20 or 30 "Pegulas". When a PSU wants to generate $$$ for updating stadiums and sports venues, they have to get very creative and start long term capital drives. When a Texas or a Texas A&M wants improvements to their venues, they can simply call one of their many "Pegulas" and ask for a few ginormous checks. The wealth of boosters, donors and alumni is not reported on a school's financials.

Texas and Texas A&M are the cream of the Texas crop, but even if you look at the "available" wealth of other Texas schools, such as Texas Tech or Houston, they have incredible capabilities.

 

[Art]

Oh, I agree. No one has cash like Texas and Texas A&M. Those financials are for the reported revenues. What is not reported is the never-ending stream of big money deep-pocketed alumni each school has, who is willing to make huge donations. Imagine PSU having 20 or 30 "Pegulas". When a PSU wants to generate $$$ for updating stadiums and sports venues, they have to get very creative and start long term capital drives. When a Texas or a Texas A&M wants improvements to their venues, they can simply call one of their many "Pegulas" and ask for a few ginormous checks. The wealth of boosters, donors and alumni is not reported on a school's financials.

Texas and Texas A&M are the cream of the Texas crop, but even if you look at the "available" wealth of other Texas schools, such as Texas Tech or Houston, they have incredible capabilities.

Really? All of those "Pegulas" must be why aTm had to borrow only $320mm to finance the renovation of Kyle Field.

 

[PearlSUJam]

My point exactly.

If we won’t pay up, we will continue to have sub-par coaching, hence this is not a top job.

Thanks for making my point

Michigan opened up their pocket book for the head coach and OC. That worked out great.

 

[Art]

My point exactly.-

If we won’t pay up, we will continue to have sub-par coaching, hence this is not a top job.

Thanks for making my point

You mean like Michigan paying Pep Hamilton $1.5mm or LSU paying Matt Canada the same amount. Those gigs worked out really well for the coaches. For the schools? Not so much.

The landscape is littered with overpaid, failed assistants. Better approach is to do what Swinney did with his co-OCs. Tony Elliott and Jeff Scott; identify potential early and pay to keep it when it becomes proven. PSU actually tried that with one coach, who apparently didn't appreciate fierce loyalty and the family atmosphere. The next time a coach leaves because he wasn't paid what he was worth will be the second, or first depending on how much data you need to present a compelling case.

 

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Michigan opened up their pocket book for the head coach and OC. That worked out great.

Which one?