all of the race cars have gone to pedal shifters, no? I am pretty sure NASCAR has.
Friday POLL: Manual or Automatic?
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I don't follow NASCAR much anymore, but I would be really really shocked if that were true.
bwifan
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Sleeper in my top 5 all time hilarious moviesManual:
Automatic:
NASCAR doesn’t exactly embrace technology, which one might think would make the series more interesting... alas, it doesn’t
bwifan
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Correctamundo..... Family member won 24 hours of Le Mans driving for the Porsche factory in '86 and '87 with the PDK twin clutch gearbox. Porsche was the first to figure out that electronic shifting is faster and that added up to seconds over a 6 hour endurance race and minutes over a 24 hour race. As with much racing technology, it was tested in brutal environments and any weakness refined. With the idea it would ultimately be used in street cars.
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they want $14,000 for this 1/8th model at the local dealershipCorrectamundo..... Family member won Le Mans driving for the Porsche factory in '86 and '87 with the PDK twin clutch gearbox. Porsche was the first to figure out that electronic shifting is faster and that added up to seconds over a 6 hour endurance race and minutes over a 24 hour race. As with much racing technology, it was tested in brutal environments and any weakness refined. With the idea it would ultimately be used in street cars.
bwifan
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they want $14,000 for this 1/8th model at the local dealership
Someone will buy it!!!
Did not know that, thanks.
Hmmm... I like it but it doesn't look that much different than the GTI.
Manual when younger and had faster cars, now I’m all for automatic because of ease of use.
bwifan
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Huh.
I used to drive a stick in stop and go morning rush hour down 270. I liked that better than an automatic because the shifting helped keep me awake and engaged with the traffic.
The wife doesn't like driving distances in my current play car, an RSX with a manual shift. So when she could not make the B/W game I went stag in the RSX and had a blast on the drive up and back to PSU. Almost forgot how much fun it is on the open road as I only seem to drive it short distances.
Then my son needed me to take his car to get some tires put on the new wheels he bought for his WRX STI last Friday. When I had the tires on I was driving home and thought about all the miles he put on my cars before he was out on his own - hard miles at that - so I put some gas in the STI and took it for a serious spin. I probably prefer the 5 speed to the 6 speed in the STI, but there is something to be said for having twice as much HP. I was pretty lucky get get that rig back home without flashing light behind me....!
So my vote is manual, all the way....
Then my son needed me to take his car to get some tires put on the new wheels he bought for his WRX STI last Friday. When I had the tires on I was driving home and thought about all the miles he put on my cars before he was out on his own - hard miles at that - so I put some gas in the STI and took it for a serious spin. I probably prefer the 5 speed to the 6 speed in the STI, but there is something to be said for having twice as much HP. I was pretty lucky get get that rig back home without flashing light behind me....!
So my vote is manual, all the way....
My recent manuals:
1992 Toyota pickup 4x4 -
1990 Honda Prelude
2004 Toyota Corolla S.
All well over 200k, original corolla clutch lasted to 175k. Looking to replace the 2004 sienna minivan(230k) with a Tacoma 4x4 Manual TRD in the near future.
And yes, my wife drives stick!
1992 Toyota pickup 4x4 -
1990 Honda Prelude
2004 Toyota Corolla S.
All well over 200k, original corolla clutch lasted to 175k. Looking to replace the 2004 sienna minivan(230k) with a Tacoma 4x4 Manual TRD in the near future.
And yes, my wife drives stick!
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bwifan
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Also if he has REALLY REALLY deep pockets give the Carrera to the wife and he can pick up a Porsche 918 Spyder... This is serious car with serious hp and handling. Just drove one here in Ft. Lauderdale and thought the skin was going to peel off my face when I nailed the gas going across alligator alley. The acceleration on this car is incredible. I have driven many high performance cars.... this one got my attention quick.
In Car and Driver's independent test of the Porsche 918, C/D achieved 0–60 mph (0–97 km/h) in 2.2 seconds, 0–100 mph (0–161 km/h) in 4.9 seconds, 0–180 mph (0–290 km/h) in 17.5 seconds, and the 1/4 mile in 9.8 seconds.[21][22]Motor Trend's independent test of the Porsche 918 claims that with a 2.4 seconds 0-60 mph (97 km/h) time it was the fastest car to 60 mph that they had ever tested. It stopped from 60 mph (97 km/h) in 94 ft (29 m), and broke Motor Trend's figure 8 record at 22.2 seconds.[2]
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True. Fuel efficiency requirements played a huge part in most pickups going automatic.
The biggest difference I found is getting out of the hole. The reason 0-60 times have dropped as precipitously as they have recently is because of launch control programming, which some manuals do come with now, but it works more consistently with a dual clutch/automatic. Another big benefit to the dual clutches, at least with turbocharged cars, is the ability to hold boost between gears. With a manual you dump all the built up boost every gear shift, unless you flat foot shift.
In Car and Driver's independent test of the Porsche 918, C/D achieved 0–60 mph (0–97 km/h) in 2.2 seconds, 0–100 mph (0–161 km/h) in 4.9 seconds, 0–180 mph (0–290 km/h) in 17.5 seconds, and the 1/4 mile in 9.8 seconds.[21][22]Motor Trend's independent test of the Porsche 918 claims that with a 2.4 seconds 0-60 mph (97 km/h) time it was the fastest car to 60 mph that they had ever tested. It stopped from 60 mph (97 km/h) in 94 ft (29 m), and broke Motor Trend's figure 8 record at 22.2 seconds.[2]
Learned on a stick. Everyone should be taught on one, in case of an emergency and the only vehicle you can find is a manual. Can always learn to drive automatic quickly. Sort of like learning guitar. Learn on an acoustic and then pickup an electric. Much easier than the other way around.
I assume the "flat shifting" you mention is holding the gas pedal to the floor as you shift through all four gears when racing. Very few people, in general, have mastered that technique. Most let off the gas pedal, make the shift, then floor it again. A good friend of mine was an expert at flat shifting. He could make a four speed stick sound like an automatic when shifting gears. Bad, bad things usually happen when flat shifting and missing a shift. Big bucks.
Correctamundo..... Family member won 24 hours of Le Mans driving for the Porsche factory in '86 and '87 with the PDK twin clutch gearbox. Porsche was the first to figure out that electronic shifting is faster and that added up to seconds over a 6 hour endurance race and minutes over a 24 hour race. As with much racing technology, it was tested in brutal environments and any weakness refined. With the idea it would ultimately be used in street cars.
Yep. I’ve read that the Dual clutch transmission that won LeMans was essentially the same gearbox that ended up going into production Porsches... a great example of racing innovation going right to the showroom...
For the last 25 years my daily driver was (and still is) a manual, even though I live in a city with traffic. They are getting harder and harder to find unfortunately. I know that many of the benefits of them have been rendered moot by the DSG gearboxes these days, but I still prefer a manual. Driving an automatic just feels boring and doesn't feel like driving to me.
IYes, another term for it is no-lift-shift. Some aftermarket tunes for various platforms will actually enable the car to do the work for the driver and will hold a certain RPM if you keep the pedal down. And yea if you miss shift we call that a "money shift" because thats what its gonna cost.
except race bikes, many of which are 1 up and 5 down
some street riders set theirs up that way too, for reasons I've never understood
I learned on a manual 3 speed on the column 1955 Chevy Truck. It was quite the package with 2x8 painted sideboards reading "Burkett's Service Station 650 Center Street, Shamokin (Tharptown) Pa.
I am thankful to have learned on a manual, owned some and never had to worry about driving any vehicle along the way.
It also brings back some very pleasant memories. My Dad was old school, WW2 combat vet. He wasn't big on hugs or compliments, if you know what I mean. I actually dreaded learning to drive from him. But, I was pleasantly surprised. He was a great teacher. Patient, with clear, concise instructions and very calm and under control. He actually seemed to trust me! He taught me how to change a tire, keep flares in my trunk, jump start a car and change oil and filter. I took it all for granted and couldn't wait to learn enough to get my license and get on with my life. I wish I could have that time back with my Dad.
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I am thankful to have learned on a manual, owned some and never had to worry about driving any vehicle along the way.
It also brings back some very pleasant memories. My Dad was old school, WW2 combat vet. He wasn't big on hugs or compliments, if you know what I mean. I actually dreaded learning to drive from him. But, I was pleasantly surprised. He was a great teacher. Patient, with clear, concise instructions and very calm and under control. He actually seemed to trust me! He taught me how to change a tire, keep flares in my trunk, jump start a car and change oil and filter. I took it all for granted and couldn't wait to learn enough to get my license and get on with my life. I wish I could have that time back with my Dad.
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my dad (also a WWII vet) taught me on a Willys Jeep- 3 speed floor shift with a "granny low" gear. I wasn't allowed to drive an automatic until I had mastered that Jeep- including not rolling back on a hill when starting from a stop
I grew up on an old Farmall Cub tractor. I easily made the move to manual cars when I turned 16. I actually bought my first automatic about a year ago at age 40.
Took and passed my drivers test on that damn chevy truck! No power steering, crank windows and no air......but I was king of the road.
took mine in the old man's new Electra 225- he wanted me to have to parallel park it to prove I was ready
I don't think I have- I've ridden a few of their 1100 twins, one of my buddies has one, in fact.
