In one of the two remaining years, we play Michigan the week before we play OSU. The one year we don't have them together (2023), we get, without an open week, MSU, OSU, Iowa & Michigan. Gotta love the Big 10 schedulers! Quite the sense of humor.
Future football schedules: From 2021-2025 we play OSU & Michigan back to back 3 times.
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Didn’t OSU just finish this season with PSU and UM without a bye week??
Yes but I believe this was the first time it's happened for O$U. Unfortunately that's not the case for PSU. It's a very bad practice on the B1G's part.
Yep, just all the more reason for them to be motivated and beat up on some teams... You have to beat the best to be the best.
PSU football is headed for the playoffs sooner than later regardless of its schedule...
The grind, as we experienced this season wears on any team. This scheduleing model often has PSU grinding away while other major teams in conference have less daunting scheduling. How many teams has an off week prior to the game with PSU this season?
There are some back to back big games impacting the chosen few as well yet not as many nor a grind at the same degree. Unless you ox is gored you don't tend to notice your neighbors ox being gored. PSU has experienced it often and appears to be in the cross hairs for the immediate future.
This season OSU had the daunting schedule of an off week, UMD and Rutgers prior the PSU game and then UM. No doubt that is a tough two game stretch yet they had the equivalent of a off week and two bye weeks before encountering their difficult stretch. Nothing like the gauntley PSU dealt with. But others will cop out saying we have no case as usual. The more things change the more they stay the same in this "conference".
There are some back to back big games impacting the chosen few as well yet not as many nor a grind at the same degree. Unless you ox is gored you don't tend to notice your neighbors ox being gored. PSU has experienced it often and appears to be in the cross hairs for the immediate future.
This season OSU had the daunting schedule of an off week, UMD and Rutgers prior the PSU game and then UM. No doubt that is a tough two game stretch yet they had the equivalent of a off week and two bye weeks before encountering their difficult stretch. Nothing like the gauntley PSU dealt with. But others will cop out saying we have no case as usual. The more things change the more they stay the same in this "conference".
Part of this comes from having a weak team at the end of the year, as it forces a tougher run in the middle. Would love to go back to MSU at the end, as you never have anyone after them
The b1g needs to build the suspension period into Tosu’s schedule.
So basically all 3 have to play each other to close out the year. Cuts both ways.
PSU never gets the advantage of playing team B after team B plays team C.
Tip of the hat to tOSU for this season's season ending success.
Well said. And if you want to pi$$ in the tall weeds with the big dogs then you must whip it out and be measured.
That's coming up in the next few years--with Rugrats in September (might be when I try to go--still would like to get to all Big 10 campuses for a game).
i'm sure it's all just random
. yeah, that's the ticket.
In fairness. OSU just finished with PSU and @ Michigan back-to-back to close out the year. Wisconsin drew both Michigan & Ohio State this year as two of their three B1G east cross-over games. In the SEC, I believe LSU had Florida, Auburn and Bama like 3 out of 4 weekends. .... So it's not a B1G thing or an anti-PSU thing. The B1G schedule makers can not sit around and figure out ways to build in "easy" weeks for teams.
i'm sure it's all just random
Could it be that the b1g hates us? I’ve never had a reason to suspect that in the past. Hmm...
Posters are pointing out one year anomalies as being equal to a five year pattern. And we do have years in there where we close out with Maryland and MSU. It is just telling that our toughest games seem to be clustered together every year.
Yes, because this year's schedule was set up in order to make Michigan relevant again. Michigan failed--again.
Contrast how the BIG schedules its marquee teams to how the SEC schedules its best teams. The SEC gives its top programs a bye week or an easy game before they play each other. This scheduling approach gives the SEC the best chance of having its best team come through its schedule with 1 or 0 losses.
In contrast, the BIG uses its schedule to try to help a program like Michigan shed its irrelevancy. It also creates an opportunity for a team like Penn State or OSU to lose an extra game that it wouldn't lose with a balanced schedule. Yet another reason to hate this conference.
Regardless of the randomization(or not) of the schedules, I think the order of games/scheduling is one of the most determinant factors in whether we can get to the playoffs in certain years. I just don't think its reasonable to go to the playoffs in a year in which you play:
5 of 6 ranked teams in a row
4 of the 6 games on the road
4 of those 6 teams coming off a bye week(yes, I am counting OSU's game against Rutgers as a bye week)
You would not have to be a really good football team with a lot of depth, or even a great team, you would have to be a generational team to get through that schedule unscathed. Take Alabama, they played 2(!) ranked teams and lost both of them. Think about the resources and coaches they have? Utah almost made the playoffs because their schedule was extremely easy to navigate, until they met even a little resistance, they sh*t the bed. This conference, specifically our side of the conference, with continued crossover games being Iowa, is just so difficult to navigate. If it ever happens, it's going to take incredible talent, coaching, and depth and it would be ideal if we weren't playing the 3....4....5...6 toughest teams on our schedule back to back to back.
5 of 6 ranked teams in a row
4 of the 6 games on the road
4 of those 6 teams coming off a bye week(yes, I am counting OSU's game against Rutgers as a bye week)
You would not have to be a really good football team with a lot of depth, or even a great team, you would have to be a generational team to get through that schedule unscathed. Take Alabama, they played 2(!) ranked teams and lost both of them. Think about the resources and coaches they have? Utah almost made the playoffs because their schedule was extremely easy to navigate, until they met even a little resistance, they sh*t the bed. This conference, specifically our side of the conference, with continued crossover games being Iowa, is just so difficult to navigate. If it ever happens, it's going to take incredible talent, coaching, and depth and it would be ideal if we weren't playing the 3....4....5...6 toughest teams on our schedule back to back to back.
So, in fairness, how often does that happen for Ohio State over the next 5 years? So we're comparing apples to apples.
It is total bullsh*t, is what it is. Even then, when you get through the schedule and against all odds WIN THE CONFERENCE, the BIG pushes for a team that you beat to go to the playoff.
100% and then the goal posts move each year. This year's flavor de jour was "you can't penalize teams for loosing an extra game." If we ever do get through this gauntlet, the goal posts will move again. I am not a conspiracy theorist by nature, but the fact that Michigan lost by a million at HOME to OSU and dropped one spot is confounding. The fact that Wisconsin's loss to Illinois was never to be heard of again is confounding. National media members stomping for Wisconsin to go to the Rose Bowl as they are getting run off the field, is confounding. I thought Penn State deserved the Rose Bowl by a million largely because of how difficult our schedule was and how we challenged OSU(now I understand turnovers or forced turnovers don't count). I thought Franklin did a wonderful job this year minus some minor things worth complaining about.
Your description of moving the goalposts describes things perfectly. This season was a perfect example of the BIG scheduling nonsense. Penn State deserved the Rose Bowl at a minimum after going through that schedule like it did. I just looked at Penn State's future schedules, and I am even more spun up about it than I was before. The only reasonable conference schedule that we have between now and 2025 is next year. We need to take care of business in 2020.
Yup, and as has been said in the recruiting threads, we need to prove we can beat OSU and Michigan in the same year and represent the East in the conference championship(in which if we lose we will tumble in the ranking out of the playoffs because now you CAN penalize teams for loosing an extra game ie "The extra loss is not punishable talk track is sooooooooo 2019.") If we can do the near impossible and run the gamut, then maybe we can start recruiting on OSU's level and challenge year in and year out.
Can someone explain how Iowa seems to be on our schedule much more frequently than other West teams? I know getting Wisconsin with greater frequency would theoretically provide PSU with a more difficult schedule, but Iowa is always a tough out, especially on the road. Is it just me or are we nearly always scheduled to play Iowa?
Iowa is our annual crossover matchup, so I thought we play them every year( although they drop off in a few).
Interesting side note: Nebraska tanking has given Ohio State an advantage, as they are much weaker than anticipated when this started. Michigan actually drew the toughest with Wisconsin, which hasn’t helped them.
Iowa is about what was to be expected
Simple math, look at next year. When we finish with maryland & Rutgers, we have to fit in Iowa, OSU, um, MSU into a 7-8 week window. Add starting with nw, and it creates a gauntlet
Ohio State plays Penn State and Michigan back to back once in the next five years. How do you like dem apples?
I believe we switch to Illinois being our annual crossover after Iowa drops off in a few years.
Thanks. I didn’t realize we were slotted in with an annual crossover. Indiana/Purdue makes sense for the annual crossover, but I didn’t realize every east/west team had an annual crossover. At least we didn’t get Wisconsin.
I found an article that stated beginning in 2021 there will be an equal but randomized schedule for crossover games for 36 years.
Each east and west team will play each other 16 times over those 36 years. Indiana and Purdue will play each year, and play their cross division teams 12 times. The arrangement looks great, but what are the chances the divisions stay the same until 2057?
Then explain how Ohio State drew Penn State & Michigan back to back weekends
Explain how Wiscy drew both Michigan AND Ohio State as cross overs
The B1G East has 6 other teams besides Penn State: Rutgers, Maryland, MSU, Michigan, Ohio St , and IU
What do you guys think the B1G schedule makers should do, sit around and say: "Oh, let's make sure we are fair on Penn State, so let's alternate easy-hard-easy hard on their schedule. We'll schedule Rutgers then MSU then Maryland then Ohio State then IU then Michigan.... that will give Penn State alternating easy-hard games..."
So, the people complaining about having to play UM-OSU back to back are really admitting that Jim - UM is a CF power to worry about down the road. I agree 100%. As mentioned before, 2020 will be the year of the Wolverine. We could see a run of 3 or 4 B1G championships in a row and 1 o 2 NCs by Jim. The Wolverine in Michigan Football has been released. GO BLUE !
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I think they sit around and discuss how to make most the most money possible. And in their myopia they think setting everything up for OSU makes them the most money. Osu insists on playing michigan last, at the detriment of the schedule and other teams. They dictate the schedule in this instance so what I'm saying isn't crazy.
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They are doing it to help Michigan become relevant and to make The Game at the end of the year relevant. One way to do that is to make sure Penn State doesn't sweep in there and become higher ranked than Michigan. So, they schedule Penn State to play Michigan and OSU back to back so that we are likely to lose one of those games.
In addition, some of those back to back Penn State home games (Michigan 2021, Michigan 2023, and OSU 2024) are in November. Tough to schedule a night whiteout in November, isn't it? Hmmm. I'm sure it is random.
Thanks. More even , but less interesting. We could get a year of playing Purdue, Illinois and Minnesota being back to where they were
That’s likely what the SEC would do...wouldn’t it make sense for the conference to do everything they could to get their top teams the best chance to get into the CFP? Other conferences do it.
