Future
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If it means anything, we were once told repeatedly that we wouldn't be able to replace DT and Ed.
Hope I'm wrong, but I think we come back to the field a bit. I like Berge and RBY but they look more like "very good" than great, i.e., Taylor, Ruth, Nolf, Retherford, Nickal. We haven't seen Brooks, Beard, Nevills. They will have big shoes to fill.
On top of that, there is the recent trend to fill gaps with transfers, something PSU has yet to embrace. Iowa and tOSU both had two prominent transfer starters. Will be hard to maintain an edge if the competition continues to take that route and PSU experiences more transfers out than in.
NCAA decisions on Cassar and Shak will be huge for next year.
Beard is downright nasty Brooks may be the best all around recruit coming in .Big snacks is right there and has pounded some college heavies in open tournaments. Storacci is going to be fascinating along with Joe Lee who has a lot.of upside . Damn when you put it down on paper we just keep on going .I know I'm forgetting someone oh yeah Howard .With vekleeran already here ready to man 49 and Berge moving up this team is.goimg to be formidable
If we get shake and cassar back next year forget about it
The future is bright. Nothing is promised though, lots of factors lead to success.
I agree but man we are blessed with some of the kids we get to watch for four years. In the last nine years it has been unbelievable .I remember thinking when Taylor and Ruth left that we would come back down. I never saw it coming. Zain nolf and nickel and Joseph and hall all panned out along with shake and cassar and Lee Ithrow in the mccutchens and Jordans and we have witnessed something special .I can't wait to see what the new recruits can do along with our veterans even manville
My sister said it best, " I'm so glad we have Cael as our coach!" We have the best coaching staff in the country with Cael, Casey, Cody and Jake. Now you throw in the Zain's and DT's helping out and these kids can't help but get better each year and it is why we are getting the kids we do because they want to wrestle for the best and become the best. I almost forgot that Jason and Bo will be helping out in the room with the NLWC too. We might experience a slight drop off but it won't be for long!
Keep in mind with RBY, he is a true Freshmen in a weight just in the B1G that has 3 wrestlers who have made the NCAA finals. Berge aside from Shak at 165 is enduring the toughest cut of the Cael era.
I'm not sure that I buy into "berge" will be better at 157.
The train will keep rolling. The gap year will be nothing like the last one when Cael redshirted Retherford, Nolf, Nickal, Cassar, and Nick N. JLee, Brooks, Beard, and Seth are ready now, if needed. They will be fighting for the title for the next 5 years with O$U their closest competition.
I think RBY/Lee can make a jump with a redshirt if they comeback noticeably bigger. Strength can be added but RBY's quickness and Lee's pace are both gifts that wrestling gods blessed them with that makes them special.
We have to be patient until he gets here but Robbie Howard will be a stud manning the 125 weight. Speaking of 125, Brody Teske maybe hasn't lit the world on fire as a redshirt but plenty of high level wrestlers don't their redshirting freshman year. His pedigree is there, he didn't win 4 IA state titles by accident. Maybe it's a copout to compare a 125 that is all grit and heart to Jordan Conaway but I'll do it anyways, was JC not a 2x AA?
Berge will be good, he is clearly wrestling out of his comfort zone. He was 160 as a senior, wrestled 0 matches as a redshirting freshman at 149 and competed at 70 KG in freestyle. A cut to 149 has to be pretty brutal and he's holding his own, sans one bad match to Micah. For Verk, I feel his biggest issue is mental. When he was laser focused, he gave Micah Jordan all he wanted.
Seth Nevills will have the benefit of both a grey and redshirt (likely with Anthony almost a lock to get a 6th year) by the time he's wrestling for us ... oh and he's already wrestling damn well as is. 1 SV loss this year to a solid Demetrius Thomas and a win over an AA well.
Michael Beard/Aaron Brooks are going to be the "they will fall back to the pack once these two graduate" wrestlers for us soon.
We have to be patient until he gets here but Robbie Howard will be a stud manning the 125 weight. Speaking of 125, Brody Teske maybe hasn't lit the world on fire as a redshirt but plenty of high level wrestlers don't their redshirting freshman year. His pedigree is there, he didn't win 4 IA state titles by accident. Maybe it's a copout to compare a 125 that is all grit and heart to Jordan Conaway but I'll do it anyways, was JC not a 2x AA?
Berge will be good, he is clearly wrestling out of his comfort zone. He was 160 as a senior, wrestled 0 matches as a redshirting freshman at 149 and competed at 70 KG in freestyle. A cut to 149 has to be pretty brutal and he's holding his own, sans one bad match to Micah. For Verk, I feel his biggest issue is mental. When he was laser focused, he gave Micah Jordan all he wanted.
Seth Nevills will have the benefit of both a grey and redshirt (likely with Anthony almost a lock to get a 6th year) by the time he's wrestling for us ... oh and he's already wrestling damn well as is. 1 SV loss this year to a solid Demetrius Thomas and a win over an AA well.
Michael Beard/Aaron Brooks are going to be the "they will fall back to the pack once these two graduate" wrestlers for us soon.
Oh also - here's why I don't worry when I see younger wrestlers for us struggling.
If Cassar and Rasheed come back next year, along with the underclassmen, we return more Big Ten points (114) than any other team.
Iowa returns most all of their 107 points, but OSU loses over half of their points with McKenna, Jordan, MyMar and Campbell moving on.
The new faces will determine just how good we will be, but we sure have a strong foundation to build upon.
Iowa returns most all of their 107 points, but OSU loses over half of their points with McKenna, Jordan, MyMar and Campbell moving on.
The new faces will determine just how good we will be, but we sure have a strong foundation to build upon.
We joke about Iowa really going all in for 2020 but on paper, they do look like they have a really good shot especially if there really is something up with Spencer that he'll get over by next year. Don't forget they get KemDawg back, how he returns from injury up 2 weights will be interesting to see but he is obviously a very talented wrestler.
They also think Abe Assad replacing Cash at 184 will be a huge boost but I wouldn't count on that. For as much crap Cash has gotten, he's been right on the cusp of an AA for 2 years now. Maybe Assad will be AA caliber immediately but it's not guarantee and without that, it's hard to imagine he's a HUGE boost over $.
They also think Abe Assad replacing Cash at 184 will be a huge boost but I wouldn't count on that. For as much crap Cash has gotten, he's been right on the cusp of an AA for 2 years now. Maybe Assad will be AA caliber immediately but it's not guarantee and without that, it's hard to imagine he's a HUGE boost over $.
Assuming Rasheed gets a 6th year and good health PSU's last 5 2020 weights are
165 Joseph
174 Hall
184 Rasheed
197 Beard or Conel
Hwt Cassar
The weaker half of the lineup
125 Teske
133 Young
141 Lee
149 Verleeren
157 Berge
I am comfortable with that lineup.
HR: hey psu fans, when nolf and nickal graduate PSU will come back to the pack.
Psu fans: ahhhhhh who's gonna tell them
2019/2020 165-hwt lineup: hold my chocolate milk
Brooks in for Rasheed. Don’t think he will get his sixth yr. Brooks, Beard, JLee, and Seth ready to roll after basically a redshirt year.
IIRC Quentin couldn’t leave practice, after that match, until he got out from under Matt Brown and
that took a lot longer than 6 1/2 minutes. By the post season he wasn’t being ridden much.
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If you see his matches at 70kg/154 from last summer, and his matches this year, you wouldn't believe they are the same kid. He's either hurt, sucked down too far, or something else. But he's got the goods. I think he's sucked down and gassed before the match starts.
I could be wrong but wasnt he recruited about the same as Griffin Parriot out of high school?
I think overall-wise he was probably pretty similar in the rankings.
We’re pretty spoiled as a fan base.
Maybe “Lee can make a jump,” but he just finished 3rd in the B1G Championships and probably takes second if not on stud senior champion McKenna’s side of the bracket who Nick took down in our dual. I’d love for Lee to stand atop the podium one day, but I’d also say Nick’s already delivering at a high level. Not all that much higher he can jump.
(1) This year's not over yet, still some work to do...and some fun to have.
(2) We are blessed with a solid foundation for the future, at least as far as we can see (5 years), which includes the incoming greyshirting and redshirting guys that haven't yet donned a PSU singlet.
(3) No one can predict the future, and building a new team each year is significant enjoyment for the coaching staff, and this fan as well. There are no promises. PSU has a bulls-eye on its back, right where they want it, so every future Penn State team must prepare, improve, and wrestle with effort. Winning championships, imo, WILL GET TOUGHER, looking ahead...I'm grateful and thankful that (it appears on paper) we'll be in the mix each year. How the kids respond to the opportunity is much of the intrigue, for me. I enjoy watching it unfold.
(4) It was a pleasure watching Jason and Bo, best wishes to them in their next adventure. Say what you want, there's no guarantees for their level of bonus point production in the future.
(5) Iowa (Stoll only), and Michigan (Older Amine only), on paper, are the two teams that could test PSU the most in 2019-2020.
(6) tOSU (McKenna, Jordan, Campbell, and Martin), and OSU (White, Weigel, Ja. Smith, JoJo Smith, Rogers), are losing the most, other than PSU if Shak and Cassar don't get their sixth years.
(7) Having Shak and Cassar back next year would be huge for PSU's prospects in 2020.
A model I created takes the year-end finishes at NCAA's, removes the seniors, and makes predictions for the succeeding year. Others can be inserted (true and redshirt freshmen, other redshirts, etc.) to give a glimpse on paper. It will be posted after NCAA's. Right now, the losses (seniors) by weight class, according to InterMat rankings, top-10 only, are as follows; 125 - 4, 133 - 2, 141 - 2, 149 - 4 (including top-3), 157 - 4, 165 - 1, 174 - 2, 184 - 6 (including 4 of top-5 if Shak does not get 6th year), 197 - 4, 285 - 6 (if Cassar does not get 6th year).
Sorry so long.
(2) We are blessed with a solid foundation for the future, at least as far as we can see (5 years), which includes the incoming greyshirting and redshirting guys that haven't yet donned a PSU singlet.
(3) No one can predict the future, and building a new team each year is significant enjoyment for the coaching staff, and this fan as well. There are no promises. PSU has a bulls-eye on its back, right where they want it, so every future Penn State team must prepare, improve, and wrestle with effort. Winning championships, imo, WILL GET TOUGHER, looking ahead...I'm grateful and thankful that (it appears on paper) we'll be in the mix each year. How the kids respond to the opportunity is much of the intrigue, for me. I enjoy watching it unfold.
(4) It was a pleasure watching Jason and Bo, best wishes to them in their next adventure. Say what you want, there's no guarantees for their level of bonus point production in the future.
(5) Iowa (Stoll only), and Michigan (Older Amine only), on paper, are the two teams that could test PSU the most in 2019-2020.
(6) tOSU (McKenna, Jordan, Campbell, and Martin), and OSU (White, Weigel, Ja. Smith, JoJo Smith, Rogers), are losing the most, other than PSU if Shak and Cassar don't get their sixth years.
(7) Having Shak and Cassar back next year would be huge for PSU's prospects in 2020.
A model I created takes the year-end finishes at NCAA's, removes the seniors, and makes predictions for the succeeding year. Others can be inserted (true and redshirt freshmen, other redshirts, etc.) to give a glimpse on paper. It will be posted after NCAA's. Right now, the losses (seniors) by weight class, according to InterMat rankings, top-10 only, are as follows; 125 - 4, 133 - 2, 141 - 2, 149 - 4 (including top-3), 157 - 4, 165 - 1, 174 - 2, 184 - 6 (including 4 of top-5 if Shak does not get 6th year), 197 - 4, 285 - 6 (if Cassar does not get 6th year).
Sorry so long.
Griffin Parriot didn't just win a Bronze Medal at Junior World's last summer either. Berge did.
People have forgotten the Berge we saw early season. He took out Maruca, Degan, Van Der Merwe, Prince (who just beat Kolodzik) and he dropped a 3-2 decision to 3rd ranked Finesilver.
BB hasn't been the same wrestler since he lost to Martin, but to me he shows all the signs of a kid cutting too much. Cael is doing his best to help him manage his weight, and I have no doubt he's getting him ready for NCAAs.
The podium is still within reach, IMO ... we'll see.
If Berge was from Pennsylvania, he’d get a little more slack for his weight cut from some of our crew here.
Berge is damn good and will prove it when he can eat more
Woah woah woah
125 Spencer lee who wants to come back home
133 RBV
141 Seth Gross
149 Nick Lee
157 Another transfer....
Hot news right off the press.....let the rumors swirl
This 100%. David Carr, the phenom who almost beat Frank Molinaro at the Dave Schultz, just lost to Berge less than a year ago. Berge will be just fine, and is just fine. We have gotten so spoiled around here.
Now that's great bottom practice. I wonder if Lee got that same drill with Zain on him after his dual meet match last year against McKenna
That's not a good road to go down.
Recruiting ranking is one of several pieces of information useful at enrollment, for rough expectations at that time.
Everything changes when they step on campus. For too many reasons to list.
Adjusting Berge's expectations for Berge's results is one thing.
Adjusting Berge's expectations for somebody else's results makes no sense. Whitman is 18-13 this year -- should we hold that against Beard?
