I ask the question can LeBron now play college basketball if he chooses? Or can J Fields come back to Ohio State?
Gable Steveson saga
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I don’t think gable is near as good as he is now if he never loses to Cassar. I’m kind of glad he got him too.
Why do you hate him? I think he seems like a pretty likeable guy.
As freshman he was pretty arrogant. But not now IMO. He gave Greg credit today also.
you should look into his, uh, unsavory relationships with women.
Disliking a public figure is not a condition that requires "help", even if it's somebody that makes you swoon, Queenie.
Project much? Or do you just respond with argumentum ad hominem in the absence of an actual basis of dispute, such as that he was actually training for the Olympics or he he really didn't have the good fortune to assault the woman in a state with lax laws.
"When speaking to the media, Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman hinted that alcohol may have been involved. He also stated that under Minnesota’s current laws at the time on intoxication and a victim’s ability to give consent, Hennepin County Attorney’s Office “would restricted in how it could bring charges in the case”.
He later went one to state that “In neighboring Wisconsin, Freeman said, prosecutors have broad discretion to charge suspects who know or should know that someone's alcohol consumption can impair his or her ability to give consent. He said he and others have pushed Minnesota lawmakers to pass similar legislation but have been unsuccessful so far.”"
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I said "dislike", not "hate".
I realize that since a certain generation arrived on the scene no dislike, disagreement or misgiving can be offered without the imputation of "hate" but that's not my problem.
I also said "visceral" which means I already admitted I don't have an objective reason.
I don't like my neighbor's dog either, like Steveson, it won't go away.
I'd expect him to be complementary of Kerk. They're long-time friends from suburban Minneapolis.
Maybe he's a better person now than he was then, but this isn't the best evidence.
Well, minus the sexual assault case that wasn’t prosecuted due to a legal technicality
False equivalency. Those guys signed professional contracts, and so by rule they are ineligible for further NCAA competition. Gable never signed a contract, but attempted to earn a spot on the Bills roster.
As for the WWE, there was no stipulation in his contract that forbade him from competing in the NCAA again. Not sure that would even be legal, or if Gable would have signed such a document.
Everyone's problem with Gable seems to be that he shouldn't be allowed to compete in collegiate wrestling again, and that's fine. That opinion is valid. But the beef should be with the system that allowed so many loopholes for it to happen. Like, if you take an Olympic redshirt, you must try to make the Olympic team. Gotta close that loophole for sure.
I'm not defending it or criticizing it, I don't really care what he does with his life because it affects me in absolutely zero ways. But I think if most of us were this caliber of athlete, we would want to compete as long as possible. Gable just took a very circuitous route back to the mats. Just my opinion!
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At least if Steveson gets hurt or sick he will have his Medicare insurance to cover him.
We might wanna sit this one out considering he and Starocci are the same age.
This is how petty I am. You know what really bugs me the most? The fact that he left his shoes on the mat at NCAAs and took his big reception from the crowd (that I was a part of). I don't think he needs a repeat of his adoration session. I'm saving 100% of my applause for Carter. Gable got his three years ago.
I knew you could have an agent now. Didn’t know about the professional contract. Thanks for the info. My only issue with Gable is I want Kerk to win.
This is America, everybody knows that if you're good at sports you're allowed to assault women/jump into the stands and start punching people. Sure the NFL may throw a token suspension your way (Roethlisberger) but that's only if you're committed multiple assaults/rapes but at the end of the day you'll still be fawned over by the media and get into the HoF.
It wasn't the NFL that suspended Roethlisberger. That was Dan having had enough of Ben's behavior as well as dragging his O lineman along.
This is a dispassionate and well-reasoned post, so overwhelmingly even if I can't totally agree, I can't disagree and you're right-it's the sanctimonious NCAA bureaucracy that allows Swiss Cheese rules that is the problem. They are supposed to be the adults in the room.
Except for one thing: One could say Carter is extending the glory, but Steveson is trying to recapture it because he's failed in other ventures. Of course, Carter seems to be developing as a person by staying on the team, as he noticed and appreciated PSU coaches doing laundry while others partied.
He may be a better wrestler than Kurt Angle or Brock Lesnar, but he couldn't master whatever the hell the WWE wanted. Football was a flyer, so can't fault him for failing there-the Neals and Haselrigs are the exception. Contra Sparks, he's not a guy coming back to wrestling after other ventures, he's a guy who has nowhere else to go.
He essentially gets one more year to be "king of the kids". There comes a time it's time to grow up and leave college to the college kids. Whether that's MMA/UFC, International or working at Fed Ex, I don't know and it doesn't affect me. I just know he like Ferrari is an itinerant mercenary taking away opportunities from real student athletes and grandstanders.
Winning an another OLY medal would be an accomplishment, winning another NCAA, not so much.
And I'm sorry, but while telling a one lie doesn't make you a liar, assaulting one woman makes you a....
didn't expect that i would elicit such a strong response but you used the word visceral which I assumed means that your dislike wasn't based on facts or logic but feelings. Seems like very strong feelings regarding the rules that the NCAA has about eligibility if so those feelings might be more appropriate towards them than an athlete taking advantage of those rules.
Then you bring up assault charges , as far as i know there wasn't enough evidence to bring up charges and there have been too many cases of these situations where the charges have been proven false. I have no idea what happen but not going to assume anything but of course you are free to.
Thanks for the kind words regarding the post, your response was good too, but I’m only highlighting the small bit above because I think you’re right on here.
Gable tried WWE, and couldn’t act. Tried football, and didn’t make the cut. Now he’s a guy going, “well dang, what are my options now? I wonder if I still have eligibility?”
He came back to compete in college because he had exhausted other opportunities and then had nowhere else to be.
"didn't expect that i would elicit such a strong response"
Do you normally get tepid reactions to gratuitous insults?
The prosecutor specifically said in Wisconsin it would have been actionable. That's not inadequate evidence, it's a laxity of the law.
"Freeman also hinted that alcohol may have been involved, saying that under Minnesota’s current laws on intoxication and a victim’s ability to give consent, his office was restricted in how it could bring charges in the case.
In neighboring Wisconsin, Freeman said, prosecutors have broad discretion to charge suspects who know or should know that someone’s alcohol consumption can impair his or her ability to give consent. He said he and others have pushed Minnesota lawmakers to pass similar legislation but have been unsuccessful so far."
And upon further review my dislike isn't completely visceral.
that is my point about the bag... he doesn't come back to wrestling for the glory/honor without the $$. The $$ has changed our sport a bit
And came back because NIL blew up while he was away. It was an easy payday/windfall.
I can't blame the guy for taking advantage of that low hanging fruit to advance his financial interests.
Does Gable actually like wrestling? I feel like there are so many ways he could capitalize on his incredible abilities in the sport. Not NFL money, for sure, but he’s one of a select few that could parlay continued freestyle success into some successful ventures.
It really bugs me too. What bugs me far more though is the poor old janitor that picked up those shoes.....who looks suspiciously like me......thinking that he had the Golden Ticket. Yes.....his very last pair of wrestling shoes to hit the mat....OLYMPIC CHAMP..........value?......Wow. The poor guy probably had put a down payment on a lovely yellow 2 bedroom cottage on the beach in Belize with a golf cart and a monkey trained to get and open cold beers.
Of course, then Gable calls "Psyche" and returns to the mat.........turning my.....err....his.... Golden Ticket into a Golden Shower as he watches the value of said shoes drop faster that a rusty water-logged Tesla without the Swastika. In two weeks, he will most likely be in the alleys around Philly ( Ask for Tom ) trying to earn enough $ to at least buy the Monkey. FML.......
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I get the same vibe. Like he thinks it’s beneath him, regardless of being great at it. Folks who don’t want to admit he big-brothered Kerk are free to, but Gable withholds a tech at his own discretion. That said, the big, bouncy Michelin Man is in a shrinking box. NIL’s done, he’s too arrogant and celebrity driven to coach (for now), and his freakish athletic skills don’t translate to Sunday gold, only Olympic. Disinterested or not, freestyle is his highest income stream in the near term. I’ll bet he takes it.
Doesn’t mean he has to table the acting or NFL dreams, just get creative with them. Convince a professional screenwriter to write a feature film (not documentary) script on the life of Carlton Haselrig. Get the role you were born to play and that’s two dreams down, plus ever more celebrity. To fill time while the film's written, take Oly gold in LA.
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