and jury selection to begin on Monday.
http://co.centre.pa.us/centreco/media/upload/MCQUEARY ORDER DATED OCTOBER 6 2016.pdf
http://co.centre.pa.us/centreco/media/upload/MCQUEARY ORDER DATED OCTOBER 6 2016.pdf
Game on. McQueary civil suit to begin October 17(link)
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Who are people rooting for here? On the one hand MM botched this from the get go and is more responsible for our situation than anyone not named Sandusky, on the other he's suing our university's de facto representation (of idiots).
My only hope is that many facts which people have been trying to hide are revealed during trial. Who wins isn't important to me.
I am rooting for MM, what PSU did to him is unbelievable , imo. In 2001 MM did what he thought was the right thing as he didnt know what to do. He asked his Dad for advice, he asked JVP for advice, and really TC and GS as well. In 2011 (?) he he tell a different story?? I dont know, I do know the State of PA is the one who screwed this whole thing up.
then PSU basically fires him for testifying in front of a Grant Jury? Please, they owe him. Pay the man his money as Teddy KGB would say.
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Don't be surprised if there's a settlement reached before this goes to trial. I doubt that either party wants to testify in open court.
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anon_xdc8rmuek44eq
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Yeah, but if Penn State says he told them a different story than the one he told in 201- they have a pretty legit case for firing him, right?
they didnt know that when they suspended for his 'own safety', took away his car, and didnt let him come around anymore. They didnt wave their hand and say,' whoa there big Red, who told us XYZ in 2001 and now you say ABC, WTF'. PSU never did that. (GS and TC may have, but the BOT never backed them).
This is like when Michigan plays Ohio State and you don't know how you are supposed to feel.
I'm personally not rooting for anyone here. If PSU botched his termination, they will pay. If that's the case, so be it. As another poster already said in this thread, I'd be surprised if this one isn't settled prior to Oct. 17.
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anon_xdc8rmuek44eq
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Did they have to? I assume they can terminate him like they can any other coach - at will. Could be wrong though.
Steve Dunham has picked a strange hill to die on.
Then again, it's not like they don't have all of his phone records, texts, emails and uh, photographs.
I'd bet Tom's last dollar that this doesn't go to trial.
PSU didn't fire him, it placed him on (paid) leave which, quite frankly, was as much for his own safety as for public relations. When a new coach was hired (which was going to happen anyway when Joe retired at season's end) he was not retained. I am no fan of how PSU handled this mess, but I have never understood how McQueary thinks he has a case here.
There's no way that he has a whistleblower case. That is completely laughable.
The only thing that's debatable is whether Penn State violated its contract with him.
I can only assume that the reason that Mike hasn't settled is that he thinks he's got some kind of leverage.
The STATE ie Fina and crew declared him a whistle blower. Yes, it is laughable but the STATE created another false narrative to protect their case against JS. Be interesting to see where this goes or how long it takes to get to a mistrial if it ever gets to trial.
It's unfortunate that Cynthia Baldwin doesn't have her ass hauled into court.
She could have made ONE PHONE CALL to a high powered law firm when this shitstorm happened and they'd have shut down those pornslingers in the OAG.
Instead - we get "Queen For A Day" who rolled over for Fina to save her pension and f*cked things up. She is the laughingstock of the Phila legal community.
So many lives ruined.
It was never about Mike. It was never about Joe. It was a political assassination gone wrong and these men got destroyed in the process.
And here we are. Such a shame.
She could have made ONE PHONE CALL to a high powered law firm when this shitstorm happened and they'd have shut down those pornslingers in the OAG.
Instead - we get "Queen For A Day" who rolled over for Fina to save her pension and f*cked things up. She is the laughingstock of the Phila legal community.
So many lives ruined.
It was never about Mike. It was never about Joe. It was a political assassination gone wrong and these men got destroyed in the process.
And here we are. Such a shame.
It seems to me that anybody who reported the JS lost their job within a week of 11-11. MM, JVP, CSS all were not doing their jobs shortly after the GJP came out. I'm struggling to keep the facts and the "facts" in order. I'd like to see some people on the stand, under oath.
You're viewing things in a legaleeze black and white manner....when MM's case could very well come down to jury selection.
MM got squeezed. That is his real dilemma. He reported something less than clear in 2001 and then when the OAG came knocking, he became more exact.....a decade later! He had several, shall we say, outstanding ugly things he did not want to go public and so he cooperated and told them what they wanted to hear....he was too dumb to think about the end game.
So, here we are. Who blinks? MM has nothing to lose, he will never coach again, and he needs this case to earn some money. PSU is fighting it, because they fight every case like a blind drunk wild boar in a bear trap...lol...more out of rage than reason....
But hey....do they really want MM on the stand AGAIN, and do they really want to go through all the ugly MM secrets in an attempt to get the jury to side with them?
My guess is that they don't. So, they will do what they always do. Spend truckloads of money on BOTH lawyers and a settlement.
Usually competent managements, with competent counsel, decide to pay one or ther other. Pay the settlement OR the lawyers.
Only Dear Old State manages to pay BOTH!
So, here we are. Who blinks? MM has nothing to lose, he will never coach again, and he needs this case to earn some money. PSU is fighting it, because they fight every case like a blind drunk wild boar in a bear trap...lol...more out of rage than reason....
But hey....do they really want MM on the stand AGAIN, and do they really want to go through all the ugly MM secrets in an attempt to get the jury to side with them?
My guess is that they don't. So, they will do what they always do. Spend truckloads of money on BOTH lawyers and a settlement.
Usually competent managements, with competent counsel, decide to pay one or ther other. Pay the settlement OR the lawyers.
Only Dear Old State manages to pay BOTH!
PSU said they were removing his from his duties for his safety, but ended up taking his car, phone, etc, which they didn't do to the other coaches who, or something of that nature. He's not a whistleblower by any means, he may have a case that he got treated differently and twist that into that it was because he "reported" (kind of) in 2001 (or 02).
Paid leave? They docked his pay. They absolutely treated him differently than any other coach.
Whistleblower law, from what I can tell, is pretty protective of employees. Its also not that hard to meet the threshold of being a whistleblower. Now, it could be I am completely wrong in my reading of it, but PSU is nuts to fight this. Maybe even more than when they tried to fight the insurance.
Full disclosure, not a big fan of MM, although he's not even remotely responsible for what happened to PSU.
Really! Claims he sees a kid being abused and leaves him there! Then claims he tells his Dad and his Dad's Business Partner and they do nothing! Then goes and works for Joe another 10 years. Come on.
Here's my prediction after watching 5 years of this shit...
The McQueary suit will move forward up until the time certain people are called for deposition and/or called to testify. Before the depositions/testimony happen, the BoT will offer to settle with McQueary for whatever money he wants, maybe even more than he originally wanted.
The suit will abruptly end and we'll learn next to nothing.
Am I right or am I right?
The McQueary suit will move forward up until the time certain people are called for deposition and/or called to testify. Before the depositions/testimony happen, the BoT will offer to settle with McQueary for whatever money he wants, maybe even more than he originally wanted.
The suit will abruptly end and we'll learn next to nothing.
Am I right or am I right?
My guess would be he's going to argue he was truthful in 2001, told them it was sexual.
That he put his trust in TC and GS accepting the way they handled it.
That doing so has resulted in great person and professional damage.
That's all speculation on my part. I'm not sure what else he could argue?
Selfishly, and in the interests of MAYBE getting some more information out into the public realm, I certainly hope the trial proceeds fully and completely.
If it does, I have no idea what further "illumination" may be achieved - - - - - but I know there is a better chance of illumination if the trial proceeds, than if it doesn't.
Realistically, I can certainly see arguments - from either side - that could be put forth in arguing that settling the issues prior to a trial might be in the best interests of all involved parties.
I doubt that any of us really know what to expect.....and how everything will play out - - - - but it does appear that things will move quickly in one direction or the other.....clock is ticking.
Just as an aside - especially for folks who don't live in the area - I have no idea how this Jury Selection process is going to move forward.
One would think that anyone with a reasonably close "relationship" with the University would be excluded.........and try finding 12 folks in Centre County who DO NOT have a reasonably close "relationship" with the University.
I am kind of surprised that the Judge did not move to empanel a jury from another area of the state (though I expect that gets really expensive).
FWIW, a family member of mine was pulled into the Jury pool - and it would have been interesting to see how that process is going to work on an "up close and personal" basis - but they have already been excused due to exigent employment circumstances (alas). Maybe we will have a poster or two who is part of the Jury pool - - - or is close acquaintances with someone who is - - - who can fill us in next week.
If it does, I have no idea what further "illumination" may be achieved - - - - - but I know there is a better chance of illumination if the trial proceeds, than if it doesn't.
Realistically, I can certainly see arguments - from either side - that could be put forth in arguing that settling the issues prior to a trial might be in the best interests of all involved parties.
I doubt that any of us really know what to expect.....and how everything will play out - - - - but it does appear that things will move quickly in one direction or the other.....clock is ticking.
Just as an aside - especially for folks who don't live in the area - I have no idea how this Jury Selection process is going to move forward.
One would think that anyone with a reasonably close "relationship" with the University would be excluded.........and try finding 12 folks in Centre County who DO NOT have a reasonably close "relationship" with the University.
I am kind of surprised that the Judge did not move to empanel a jury from another area of the state (though I expect that gets really expensive).
FWIW, a family member of mine was pulled into the Jury pool - and it would have been interesting to see how that process is going to work on an "up close and personal" basis - but they have already been excused due to exigent employment circumstances (alas). Maybe we will have a poster or two who is part of the Jury pool - - - or is close acquaintances with someone who is - - - who can fill us in next week.
If MM really is a CSA victim, I have no idea one way or the other, it could explain how he reacted in the locker room that night.
Alas, I was not summoned to participate in the jury pool. Their loss
If MM makes a statement on the stand that is perfectly clear and helps to exonerate JVP, chances the media ignores it.... 100%.
Chances the media takes something innocuous MM says on the stand and gives it the old getmyjive11 routine and twists/truncates it, using it as more proof JVP is guilty... 100%
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Disagree - if he goes to cops instead of dad and football coach this 'scandal' never happens.
Here's my thoughts towards him:
- He went to not one, but two mandated reporters who knew exactly what was supposed to be done, and followed their advice.
- He did not insert that fiction into the grand jury report, Fina did.
- He wasn't running around trampling people's rights, that was Fina and Feudale.
- He didn't make any of the bot's batshit crazy moves, that was all them.
- He didn't commission Freeh to torch the university, that was the bot.
Etc. What I don't like about MM is I think he's been inconsistent with his story now vs. 2001, but I don't think that comes even remotely close to explaining what happened to the university.
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anon_xdc8rmuek44eq
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My take is this: if what he saw was at all 'sexual', that is something that needs to be reported to the police - not 'mandatory reporters'. Since he didn't, and was supposedly 'ok' with how things were handled, he looks worse. If what he saw was only embellished later (2011), then he's lying about something (either his story in 2001 or 2011) and shouldn't be compensated for that. His inconsistencies (or failure to act depending on which story you believe) have ruined lives and the reputation of the school. The rest (BOT, media outrage, etc.) happened because of that. Now, they don't get a pass at all and are also absolutely responsible for FUBAR'ing things, but they were put in that situation by MM. Now he gets his day in court - let's see how this goes.
These misfits all pushed a narrative for self-interest and/or self preservation. Just a few among many - but let's start with this crew.
After they pulled the pin - lobbed the grenade - then scampered away while the place blew up, leaving Mike, Joe, the Lettermen, the larger PSU community to deal with the aftermath.
Where are they today?
After they pulled the pin - lobbed the grenade - then scampered away while the place blew up, leaving Mike, Joe, the Lettermen, the larger PSU community to deal with the aftermath.
Where are they today?
While I would love to see more facts come out, this trial will not reveal any facts that affect perceptions of Joe, C/S/S, the football program or anything else. McQ believes his contract was violated and he was treated unfairly after the GJ presentation was leaked and Sandusky was arrested.
I never expected to learn anything related to the C/S/S cases or the Paterno family's lawsuit. I do expect a settlement before trial starts, like most of you do.
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