Quick thank you for one of the most balanced level headed threads involving Mike in the past four or five years.
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Game on. McQueary civil suit to begin October 17(link)
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I'm rooting for the lady in the robes and the blindfold.
Bummer. She hasn't been seen for the last 5 years. Looks like she skipped town.
I wonder if Ganim stayed at Baldwin's house while reporting on Hurricane Matthew as it ripped through Turks and Caicos.
What happens with a settlement............................everything is confidential. They'll settle and we'll never hear another word about the issue. This is probably the path PSU chooses. It will keep all info in the deep freeze.
Sara landed a hurricane gig?? Good for her. I thought her specialty was snow storms. CNN must be allowing her to branch out a bit.
I look for no information to come out during this case.
This is about how MM's termination/leave was handled. PSU screwed the pooch from an HR perspective. It was amateur hour from jump street. Placed him on paid leave and took away his contractual benefits. He was the only coach that was not given an opportunity to interview with O'Brien.
I find it interesting that PSU was willing to settle with anyone that hinted at a claim, but won't settle with MM when it appears they clearly erred.
This is about how MM's termination/leave was handled. PSU screwed the pooch from an HR perspective. It was amateur hour from jump street. Placed him on paid leave and took away his contractual benefits. He was the only coach that was not given an opportunity to interview with O'Brien.
I find it interesting that PSU was willing to settle with anyone that hinted at a claim, but won't settle with MM when it appears they clearly erred.
Ganim received a leak that a hurricane was brewing. Baldwin had no idea one was advancing her way, soon to overwhelm her
The ironic part is that it's not as much about what MM actually saw or heard that night, it's what he SAID he saw or heard. That's the essence of the entire firestorm which launched the scandal. Without this to cling to, Corbett and others may have simply continued dragging their feet on JS. Once there was a supposed witness and they could lay this at the feet of PSU instead of the state it was game over.
To this day, I still can't get past that the state's flagship school was taken down by its own governor...who also is a board member no less. No other school or governor in the nation would ever consider doing what PSU or Corbett did to its own university. And for what? So that it wouldn't come back on the State or board members to be held personally accountable.....thereby ruining the stellar reputation of everything and everyone associated with Penn State including a coach who dedicated 60+ years of his life to making it a better place while improving the lives of a few thousand players.
To this day, I still can't get past that the state's flagship school was taken down by its own governor...who also is a board member no less. No other school or governor in the nation would ever consider doing what PSU or Corbett did to its own university. And for what? So that it wouldn't come back on the State or board members to be held personally accountable.....thereby ruining the stellar reputation of everything and everyone associated with Penn State including a coach who dedicated 60+ years of his life to making it a better place while improving the lives of a few thousand players.
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It was a personal vendetta. Corbett hated Spanier for campaigning against his cuts. Surma hitched his vendetta wagon to take out Joe. Yes, these are our leaders....or were. Replaced with a slate in the BOT that is just as petty.
I agree...certainly personal on a few fronts. But how short sighted is that knowing the risk of blowing this up to the level it reached.
It cost him his political career. I'm sure in hindsight, he wishes he would have done less.
In 2010, when MM FINALLY gave a written statement re: 2001 to law enforcement, if he would have just told the truth (he wasn't sure what they were doing bc he couldn't really see anyone's hands/privates but was rightfully weirded out) instead of play revisionist history, I'd have no problem with MM. However in this statement to the OAG MM said that he was "certain sodomy was occurring" and reported it as such. He also testified at the GJ that he was sure, relatively sure that intercourse was happening and the incident was definitely sexual. IOW in his statements 10 years after the fact he claims that he made it crystal clear a kid was being abused (as opposed to just being suspicious due to the sounds/positioning) and reported it as such in 2001, even though no one's actions in 2001 line up with that claim.
This statement/testimony by MM is what enabled Fina/Eschbach to take liberties with his story and claim that someone eye witnessed child abuse and reported child abuse to Joe/PSU and then PSU did nothing. After the GJP was made public MM very privately sent an email to the OAG saying they got it wrong but he never once came out in public and made the same declaration.
MM is the linchpin for the OAG to tie this story to PSU/Spanier. Without him they had no way to do that--the janitor story wasn't enough since they said they never reported it up the chain out of fear of the big bad Paterno and '98 wasn't enough b/c it was investigated by everyone under the sun. So in my mind MM played a very pivotal role, via his revisionist history allowing himself to be used by Fina et al., in why we find ourselves in this current position.
MM put qualifiers in there, its why the first two gj's dismissed his allegations. He's not responsible for, nor should he be expected to anticipate the malfeasance of Fina. He did come out publically and state he never told anyone what was in the gj report.
I just don't know how anyone can defend McQueary. There is no scenario in which he did the right thing. Best case is he created testimony for self interest. Worst case is he saw something horrific and acted like a coward. No win situation. Lots of speculation about different personal issues. My guess is he's looking for a payout that isn't deserved.
So the question that continues to baffle me and I don't understand. PSU literally pays off $90 million with what we now know are multiple false claims as shown in the insurance company lawsuit filings. They have spent countless other $100's of millions on lawyers, Freeh Report, and who knows what else. But they refuse to give MM probably $500,000 to make him go away. WHY? They just make part of the settlement that he has a gag order and cannot talk about anything.
Why does the person(s) that have been orchestrating this whole charade not want to pay off MM?
Why does the person(s) that have been orchestrating this whole charade not want to pay off MM?
Question on the multiple Grand Juries, I do realize that multiple grand juries looked at this case....Do we know for a fact that any of the grand juries refused to indict? Or could it have been a case of just running out of time on the grand juries? If so, how do we know?
My guess is that McQueary learned the same thing that I and many others probably learned throughout all of this, thanks to the media and the grandstanding BOT. That is, if you ever witness something like child abuse or child rape, act like you never saw it, and never tell a soul.
Really? I must have missed the press conference or letter to the editor where MM stated the GJP was complete B.S. and he never eye witnessed any rape, etc. but only reported an inappropriate shower that made him uncomfortable. My point is there is a HUGE difference between saying you reported an inappropriate shower that made you feel uncomfortable vs. reporting that you were pretty sure a child was getting raped.
The only way the public would know the GJP is b.s. would be if they read all of MM's testimony (CS prelim, JS trial, etc.) where the lawyers for C/S get him to finally admit he wasn't 100% sure what was occurring that night because he couldn't see anyone's hands or privates but was weirded out by the sounds/positioning, and then speculated on what he thought was happening.
In his OAG statement MM said he was certain sodomy was occurring. In his GJ testimony MM said "I'm pretty sure he was sodomizing him, relatively sure".
Either MM told people in 2001 that he was pretty sure JS was sodomizing a kid or he didn't and then played revisionist history. If he did then NO ONE's actions in 2001 make any sense, starting with the fact that MM never filed a written statement with UPPD. He said that he and his dad considered calling the police that night but decided against it, then when TC called MM to follow up with him a few weeks after meeting, MM never expressed dissatisfaction nor said more needed to be done besides revoking guest privileges and informing JR at TSM...hmmm...that doesn't seem to line up with his 2010 version of being pretty sure a kid was being raped.
What he is asking for and what he would settle for are two different things. The question still remains, PSU has spent upwards of $250 million on this and why are they not settling with MM over the difference of probably less than a million dollars. Answer me that question.
We don't have to guess, he said as much in his testimony when C/S lawyers got to question him. Dr. Dranov's testimony at the JS trial also confirmed that MM never saw any sex act, only implied it via the sounds he heard.
Of course any settlement...Penn State again comes out looking bad with the Press...
For 5+ years, we have all missed the obvious...Power & MONEY!!! Use the corrupted power of the state to get and hide money! The key player is undoubtedly Tommy "One-Term" Corbett.
For Corbett, I expect that this illusion was constructed to have two targets.
ONE- he wanted to destroy Spanier as an ego kill - just to prove he was "...the most powerful man in the state...". You don't MUCK with the God of PA. EGO...EGO....EGO.
TWO - Corbett needed money for "personal" and political reasons.
Personal $$$ were for his own enrichment.
The political reasons resulted from the need to cover crimes that continuously occurred under his watch as AG and Governor. Corbett permitted (maybe even encouraged) TSM to become a "money laundering" charity which provided tax sheltering to some and pure money laundering for others. Corbett knew that it was possible that, if TSM was properly investigated, DIRECT incrimination could be found in TSM records exposing these $$$$ abuses AND MAYBE WORSE!!!
To "clean-up" the potential exposures inherent in TSM, Tommy-boy needed TIME - a national media scandal like what happened, gave him that time he needed. Under the "smoke" created by the national firestorm relayed to the public about PSU & Paterno, no one would notice anything about shredding TSM's records AND no one would think about how suspicious the $600,000+ "donations" he received from TSM were. The public would become too fascinated with the professionally engineered "STORY" he created.
Instead of asking these obvious questions, public outrage would be focused on the media lynching of Paterno and interwoven story about a "Criminal Football Culture" that promoted and hid the "rape of children" for years in the showers at Penn State. As a final act to this story, Tommy's "Good Buddy" - Louie "The Liar-for-Hire" Freeh provided "proof" via his "investigation" of PSU guilt (all without any support from his own document). Public outrage for Corbett and the State was averted and any real evidence which needed hiding was accomplished by the destruction of all documents at TSM.
All that was left in this plan was the only real rape that happened at Penn State - the rape of PSU FUNDS by a collusive group of BOT elites AND the political group that paid to have this deception of scandal created.
The BOT functions as the "LEGAL" spokesperson for PSU - that is why having them "on-board" was essential. A "normal" governing body response would not have allowed what happened to happen. The BOT involvement is required for the "Stage 1 - COVER and the "Stage 2" - MONEY GRAB. Lately, we have observed the Stage 2 portion of this crime....the payment of excessive "compensations" to a largely unknown group of 32 "individuals" (protected by illegal Grand Jury processes) - MANY (if not all) with very suspicious claims of abuse (14 of which were outside the SOL). So where is the money grab here?....LOOK AT THE LAWYERS!!! Look at the fees collected. Look at the "no vetting or oversight of payment" by PSU. If you knew that no one would question your "victim" no matter how absurd your story and as the "lawyer" were getting more than $1.2M per presented "victim" - all you would care about is "how many people can I find??" So what if you needed to kickback some of the fee money to "that special person"....Its all guranteed by a corrupted court system and a corrupted PSU vetting. SWEET DEAL - it is Here where the hard money in this money grab is transferred.
This is the reason that we have what we have today....the insane story that the public believes enough to NOT QUESTION THE OBVIOUS CRIMINALS... TSM and PA Child protection agencies. Of course, in PA where the criminals control the courts and many state positions, this is not that hard to do!!!
Just to add to this.... in the Sandusky re-trial hearings, Jonelle Eschbach (name approximate, sorry) stated that she was the person who wrote the GJ presentment that was released, that she used the phrase "anal rape" (ground zero for all the public outrage) in the presentment she wrote, and most importantly, that McQ did NOT use that phrase in his GJ testimony. Essentially, Eschbach used that inflammatory wording to ensure the GJ would indict. As many have pointed out, they would have had Sandusky indicted based on multiple other charges and testimonies before they got to PSU and McQ and C/S/S/P. They just didn't do it for their own reasons, which have been widely speculated on here.
It is very strange. It's almost enough to make me think that McQueary is colluding with Dunham. If this actually goes to trial McQueary will have another chance to tell his BS version of what he purportedly told people in 2001. Knowing Dunham, PSU's attorneys will sit there like doofuses and fail to vigorously attack Mike's BS "I would have told them..." "I would have said..." testimony.
Oh, I'm with, I think its bizarre. Even at a few million he's still asking for less than one of the fake accusers.
He said he never used the words in the gj report. He said he watered down what he told Paterno. He said he was under the impression Curley and Schultz understood the severity of what he was relaying. When you compare that to what the AG reported, its pretty astounding the differences. Now, MM (and especially his dad and dranov) still don't look good, but in no way are they responsible for the AG's misrepresentation of what MM actually said in 2010. He'll get annihilated if Curley or Schultz ever go to trial, but for his case against PSU its pretty irrelevant.
Don't forget to look at Ira's close ties to lead lawyers who pocketed close to $35MM for doing very, very little.
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