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Game on. McQueary civil suit to begin October 17(link)

Paid leave? They docked his pay. They absolutely treated him differently than any other coach.

Whistleblower law, from what I can tell, is pretty protective of employees. Its also not that hard to meet the threshold of being a whistleblower. Now, it could be I am completely wrong in my reading of it, but PSU is nuts to fight this. Maybe even more than when they tried to fight the insurance.

Full disclosure, not a big fan of MM, although he's not even remotely responsible for what happened to PSU.

Wrong - it is very easy for a company, and the government, to circumvent Whistleblower law - I know, as I've seen it happen, but I cannot tell you anything other than that.
 
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Believe it was $4 million. If he settled for $4, he might get $2.5 after his lawyers take their cut.

Perhaps, but the compensation and benefits that PSU withheld from MM are probably closer to the $500K area. That leads one to wonder what nimrod ordered that in the first place, particularly considering that the amount is overwhelmed by fines, settlements, and attendant costs that PSU seemingly couldn't pay fast enough. Probably the same nimrod(s) approved both. If so, an almost perfect intersection of comedy and tragedy.
 
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Perhaps, but the compensation and benefits that PSU withheld from MM are probably closer to the $500K area. That leads one to wonder what nimrod ordered that in the first place, particularly considering that the amount is overwhelmed by fines, settlements, and attendant costs that PSU seemingly couldn't pay fast enough. Probably the same nimrod(s) approved both. If so, an almost perfect intersection of comedy and tragedy.

Sounds like a BOT move, for sure. Par for the course.
 
Quick thank you for one of the most balanced level headed threads involving Mike in the past four or five years.

Just wanted to say thanks
Ask Mike this question: I could care less who he confided in, asked advice of, or anything else. When HE saw nothing really happened, why didn't HE call the police himself? Everyone is asking that about Joe but Joe WAS NOT THE WITNESS. MIKE WAS.

Sorry dude, Mike is villain #2 in this whole thing.
 
He said he never used the words in the gj report. He said he watered down what he told Paterno. He said he was under the impression Curley and Schultz understood the severity of what he was relaying. When you compare that to what the AG reported, its pretty astounding the differences. Now, MM (and especially his dad and dranov) still don't look good, but in no way are they responsible for the AG's misrepresentation of what MM actually said in 2010. He'll get annihilated if Curley or Schultz ever go to trial, but for his case against PSU its pretty irrelevant.

I think they are both to blame. The OAG misrepresented MM while at the same time MM played revisionist history (changed his story from inappropriate late night shower that made him uncomfortable to being 99.99% sure JS was sodomizing a kid). If MM didn't revise history so much the OAG would have had less to misrepresent. The only way people would know that MM said he never used the word "rape" and never eye witnessed any sex act would be if they read his testimony which is like .001% of the population. He never publicly tried to correct the record.

He said he never used the word "rape" but he certainly used the words "sodomy" and "intercourse" when testifying and in his statement to OAG. I agree that MM had no control over the liberties the OAG took with his testimony while summarizing it in the GJP, however my main gripe with him is that he never publicly tried to correct the false narrative in the GJP that he eye witnessed a rape (this narrative torched not only Joe/CSS but the entire PSU community) and in his 2010 written statement and subsequent testimony he claimed he was pretty sure a kid was getting raped/the shower was sexual and reported it as such to Joe and the admins in 2001.

I find that very, very, very hard to believe since he himself nor anyone he spoke to thought he needed to file a police report or place an anonymous call to ChildLine, just in case his suspicions of "sodomy" were correct. That simply does not jive with his 2010 version. Everyone else who knew about 2001 (Joe, CSS, Dr. D, JM, JR) all said that what was reported was a late night inappropriate shower that made a GA uncomfortable due to the sounds/circumstances.
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As a refresher here's what JM had to say during the 12/16/11 prelim (you know, that testimony he couldn't remember giving when asked about it during JS' trial by Rominger):

Page 151 (Farrell cross exam of JM):

Q: in this meeting with Mr. Schultz did you tell Mr Schultz that what Mike had seen was a crime?

A: I never used the word crime, I made it, I'm sure, clear that it was at least a very inappropriate action and what Mike described to me led me to believe it was sexual in nature.

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Does the language JM used above sound to you like MM told people in 2001 that he was pretty sure a kid was getting sodomized? Or does it sound more like a vague assumption riddled report of a late night inappropriate shower that made MM feel uncomfortable?
 
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It is very strange. It's almost enough to make me think that McQueary is colluding with Dunham. If this actually goes to trial McQueary will have another chance to tell his BS version of what he purportedly told people in 2001. Knowing Dunham, PSU's attorneys will sit there like doofuses and fail to vigorously attack Mike's BS "I would have told them..." "I would have said..." testimony.

That makes some sense. If you settle, then he obviously has to be gagged and whoever is pulling the strings on this does not want that. So they string this along as almost insurance policy that if they need to throw some fuel on the fire, they can let this goto trial and let Mike say he told everybody. The PSU defense attorney will get paid a lot of money to put up an Amendola like nothing defense, and C/S/S/Paterno are again back in the firing line.
 
That makes some sense. If you settle, then he obviously has to be gagged and whoever is pulling the strings on this does not want that. So they string this along as almost insurance policy that if they need to throw some fuel on the fire, they can let this goto trial and let Mike say he told everybody. The PSU defense attorney will get paid a lot of money to put up an Amendola like nothing defense, and C/S/S/Paterno are again back in the firing line.

That is what is called ENGINEERING a crime. There has been a LOT of time, effort and money put into "crafting" this cover-up for TSM and the State. Trust me, every possible eventuality has been considered and covered....providing they can keep the "secrecy" tag on most of the information concerning this case.
 
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What he is asking for and what he would settle for are two different things. The question still remains, PSU has spent upwards of $250 million on this and why are they not settling with MM over the difference of probably less than a million dollars. Answer me that question.
That might want him to agree to a gag order so he can't sell his book.
 
That might want him to agree to a gag order so he can't sell his book.

The point is, PSU could pay MM $5 million dollars in a closed settlement, nobody would know, and that would fall right in line with everybody else they have paid off in this whole ordeal. BUT PSU has chosen to fight MM for reasons that have no obvious answer. So in line with this whole thing being a massive orchestrated cover-up by somebody and blaming C/S/S/Paterno, how does this piece of information and goings on fit into that narrative. And the answer is that MM court case is being strung along so that if they need to continue the blame game on C/S/S/Paterno in order to continue the narrative, they finally get the judge to put it to trial to allow MM to tell his sensationalized story. The PSU attorney being paid millions puts up very limited defense as he is instructed. Then for a couple of days the story is back in the papers that it was a cover-up.
 
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The point is, PSU could pay MM $5 million dollars in a closed settlement, nobody would know, and that would fall right in line with everybody else they have paid off in this whole ordeal. BUT PSU has chosen to fight MM for reasons that have no obvious answer. So in line with this whole thing being a massive orchestrated cover-up by somebody and blaming C/S/S/Paterno, how does this piece of information and goings on fit into that narrative. And the answer is that MM court case is being strung along so that if they need to continue the blame game on C/S/S/Paterno in order to continue the narrative, they finally get the judge to put it to trial to allow MM to tell his sensationalized story. The PSU attorney being paid millions puts up very limited defense as he is instructed. Then for a couple of days the story is back in the papers that it was a cover-up.

That's an incredibly cynical position to take, and it makes me beyond angry to think that it could be true. I'd like to think that MM would not allow himself to be used even more than he already has, but perhaps that is incredibly naive.
 
There is so much that is seemingly contradictory and bizarre about how psu has operated in this whole saga. I remember reading that in the weeks following the initial scandal breaking that the administration was having someone track internet mentions of psu and Sandusky to see if the story was dying down. They seemed so concerned about the bad publicity when the story first broke, but they have continued to do things that ensure that scandal publicity is perpetuated years after November 2011. If they don't want this scandal being revisited again you would think that they would just pay off McQuaid and avoid a trial - what is another 4-5 million when you have paid $100 million with little to no vetting and allowed yourself to be extorted for another $60 million?.

The point is, PSU could pay MM $5 million dollars in a closed settlement, nobody would know, and that would fall right in line with everybody else they have paid off in this whole ordeal. BUT PSU has chosen to fight MM for reasons that have no obvious answer. So in line with this whole thing being a massive orchestrated cover-up by somebody and blaming C/S/S/Paterno, how does this piece of information and goings on fit into that narrative. And the answer is that MM court case is being strung along so that if they need to continue the blame game on C/S/S/Paterno in order to continue the narrative, they finally get the judge to put it to trial to allow MM to tell his sensationalized story. The PSU attorney being paid millions puts up very limited defense as he is instructed. Then for a couple of days the story is back in the papers that it was a cover-up.
 
That's an incredibly cynical position to take, and it makes me beyond angry to think that it could be true. I'd like to think that MM would not allow himself to be used even more than he already has, but perhaps that is incredibly naive.

As the person who brought it up I should clarify that I have absolutely no idea if that's what Dunham is actually up to. It's just a theory to explain Dunham's inexplicable inability to settle this one case, after the university forked over millions to make this mess go away.
 
There is truly something evil about a civil suit, involving a person who witnessed a grown, middle aged man, naked in a shower with a child, at 10 o'clock at night, and never as much as called the police.
 
McQueary might get several million from the sale of his book plus a movie deal. That makes it worth his while to roll the dice at the courthouse. PSU would have to pay several million just to, in effect, buy his book. And he still has his legal claims that they'd have to pay for. Penn State may well be balking at paying a premium to settle.
 
McQueary might get several million from the sale of his book plus a movie deal. That makes it worth his while to roll the dice at the courthouse. PSU would have to pay several million just to, in effect, buy his book. And he still has his legal claims that they'd have to pay for. Penn State may well be balking at paying a premium to settle.

Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.
 
If MM really is a CSA victim, I have no idea one way or the other, it could explain how he reacted in the locker room that night.

Jim Clemente has a different explanation for McQueary's reaction to what he saw in the shower: If the boy was in fact being raped, as McQueary suspected, his failure to exhibit any distress whatsoever simply didn't compute. Instead of running to McQueary, screaming for protection, he apparently stood quietly showing no anxiety at all. Clemente, himself a molestation victim, uses the concept of pedophilic grooming to explain the victim's behavior that night. McQueary's knowledge of such grooming likely was nil, as is the case with the vast majority of the general public, so his brain couldn't piece together a satisfactory explanation of what his eyes were seeing.
 
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Perhaps, but the compensation and benefits that PSU withheld from MM are probably closer to the $500K area. That leads one to wonder what nimrod ordered that in the first place, particularly considering that the amount is overwhelmed by fines, settlements, and attendant costs that PSU seemingly couldn't pay fast enough. Probably the same nimrod(s) approved both. If so, an almost perfect intersection of comedy and tragedy.


This is where I wonder if the A9 are addressing stuff like this. Is there oversight to make sure the proper legal decisions were made (that between the 2 decisions, settle or court, this saved PSU $$ compared to the opposite decision)?

They refused to reimburse MM $X from his termination. Instead they've decided to let this lawsuit proceed for 3-4 years now (guessing?)?

How much have they paid the legal team over the years to prepare for this lawsuit (especially if they take it this far and then just settle)? More than the '$X' owed to MM?

Add to that the money paid out to help fight, and then settle, the Corman suit, the $$ to eventually settle the PMA suit (where they promised PMA would reimburse them), etc.

At what point does someone audit PSU's financial actions- especially when they are demanding the state give them $25 million more?
 
Add to that the money paid out to help fight, and then settle, the Corman suit, the $$ to eventually settle the PMA suit (where they promised PMA would reimburse them), etc.

Funny, that.....eh?

Wasn't DePasquale supposed to be up here running an "Audit"? Starting in September? What month is it now?

I seem to remember someone :) , YEARS ago, who explained how the Scoundrels were using that ludicrous, "laughable-to-anyone-with-an-IQ-above-room-temperature" nonsense about "The Insurance Will Pay for It"..........
As a smokescreen to divert the intellectually-retarded away from the Scoundrels fiduciary - at least - malfeasance (and probably much, much more)

I recall someone :) who explained how PSU/PMA would come to some "confidential agreement" for some token amount ("confidential" because.....well.....because we say so. :) )......... and, as has ALWAYS happened on this sordid fiasco, within a few months all the "public" would forget all about it - - - and the Scoundrels would, once again, NEVER be held accountable


Does ANYONE care?

Evidence would say "NO"

SS. DD
 
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Jim Clemente has a different explanation for McQueary's reaction to what he saw in the shower: If the boy was in fact being raped, as McQueary suspected, his failure to exhibit any distress whatsoever simply didn't compute. Instead of running to McQueary, screaming for protection, he apparently stood quietly showing no anxiety at all. Clemente, himself a molestation victim, uses the concept of pedophilic grooming to explain the victim's behavior that night. McQueary's knowledge of such grooming likely was nil, as is the case with the vast majority of the general public, so his brain couldn't piece together a satisfactory explanation of what his eyes were seeing.
I meant MM bolting instead of stopping it.
 
This guy? The guy who wanted Spanier as a trophy pelt on his wall?

The guy who used an RPG instead of a rifle to do the deed and hit the propane tank to the whole farm instead?


One very big "get" from all this was that the state of PA finally saw corbutt for what he was and voted him out. Our state certainly deserves better ....
 
McQueary might get several million from the sale of his book plus a movie deal. That makes it worth his while to roll the dice at the courthouse. PSU would have to pay several million just to, in effect, buy his book. And he still has his legal claims that they'd have to pay for. Penn State may well be balking at paying a premium to settle.
No book may be part of any deal.
 
What you are forgetting is that almost everyone with a close relationship with the university understands how thoroughly screwed up the administration is.

We're like Yosarian.
Yossarian: Okay. Let me see if I've I got this straight. In order to be grounded I've got to be crazy. And I must be crazy to keep flying. But if I asked to be grounded, that means I'm not crazy anymore, and I have to keep flying.

Dr. 'Doc' Daneeka: You got it. That's Catch-22.

Yossarian: Wow ... that's some catch, that Catch-22.

Doc Daneeka: It's the best there is.
 
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Lionlurker maybe the board needs an enigma machine got all the cryptology solving.
 
Dude! That's the answer. We need a Bletchley Park group working on all of this.
 
That's an incredibly cynical position to take, and it makes me beyond angry to think that it could be true. I'd like to think that MM would not allow himself to be used even more than he already has, but perhaps that is incredibly naive.

MM isn't letting himself be used, from everything we hear, he was terminated in an improper way and is owed some money. So although I am not happy how MM has handled everything and I think he didn't tell C/S/S/Paterno what he said he did now, I don't blame him for going after PSU for his money that he was rightfully owed.
 
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