Game on. McQueary civil suit to begin October 17(link)
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And we got......?
OK, maybe he is better in some ways (but let's avoid any "R" vs "D" idiocy)........but the DNA between them is a 95+% match
And he will soon be voted out of office too. Somehow given what corbutt did re political prosecutions/JS/PSU/Etc, I find it difficult to give him a 95% DNA match with the current gov. But if you say Wolf has done all that then I guess he has ..... My comments are made with no political party given favor.
Well, since so many here are afraid PSU will settle. Why not have Anthony Lubrano and AL Lord match whatever settlement PSU offers MM and have this go to court, instead. That way MM can live the remainder of his life with some dignity.
Dignity? That's a rather curious choice of words.
I am looking forward to the day the Curley, Schultz, and Spanier are exonerated and there is no doubt in my mind that they will eventually be exonerated. I am just not sure if it will be anytime soon. When that day comes, I believe they will say that in 2001 that they didn't believe that JS was a pedophile. What will be interesting will be what they have to say in 2017 (or whenever they are exonerated) regarding whether or not they believe JS was/is a pedophile. My understanding is that all 3 have serious doubts regarding the jury's verdict. I hope that all 3 will have the courage to offer their opinion in this matter after they are exonerated and don't have any legal concerns hanging over them.
Sandusky's PCRA and the associated evidentiary hearings as well as other information that has come to light since the trial has convinced me that there is a good chance that the jury got in wrong. I believe that Sandusky's trial was patently unfair and that he deserves a new trial.
Well, everyone is always so good at spending other people's money.
. We will see how this case goes but if PSU suddenly settles then the A9 should start to question how the BoT does business and the competence of PSU lawyers ( ? Dunham (sp?)) ad the legal subcommittee. Why not settle years ago and save the expense of lawsuit preparation the past few years?
Well, everyone is always so good at spending other people's money.
We will see how this case goes but if PSU suddenly settles then the A9 should start to question how the BoT does business and the competence of PSU lawyers ( ? Dunham (sp?)) ad the legal subcommittee. Why not settle years ago and save the expense of lawsuit preparation the past few years?
IMO, the A9 has been questioning how the BoT does business for years.
True but now (IMO) they need to go to the next level- tv interviews and meetings with the state legislature about fiscal responsibility by the BoT. Especially as $$$ is the only thing that seems to get the legislature's attention anymore.
How would we know? Seriously
We see ludicrous malfeasance every day - - - and nary a peep out of the "Responsible Stewards"
Listen....if you believe the "evidence" that surrounds the "Sandusky-TSM" Scandal, then this statement will have little effect on you - but sometimes the OBVIOUS ANSWER is THE RIGHT ANSWER.
The public was sold a "case" against a "Monster Pedophile" - Jerry Sandusky - based on ONLY the information the OAG wanted made public. There was no chance for the defense of Sandusky to review what "evidence" was available against their client and then formulate a reasonable defense strategy. TOO MUCH "under seal" info. This was NOT AN ACCIDENT. Using the Grand Jury process was a willful and illegal use of powers inherent in the PA governmental structure. This "suspicious" use of an illegal (in this type of case) process was TOTALLY CONTROLLED by the "porndogs" of PA under the not-so-hidden direction of the former AG and then Governor. There are numerous certifiable "suspicious" and/or illegal actions taken by the state in the initial stages of this scandal. Consult any of the websites on this topic to further expose NUMEROUS abuses of the legal process and the offices of PA government if you need specific proof.
OBVIOUS FACT - everything that is known about the "Story" that has become "public fact" is unsupported by anything remotely provable in an "HONEST" court of law. Everything that CREATES this "Story" that is "Public Fact" is based on speculation, opinion and flat out lies. Ironically, the only legal protection being provided here is that protection of those whose actions are most suspicious - yet NO PROTECTION has been given to anyone even remotely connected with Penn State.
The BENEFITS OF THE LAW is being used to protect real Criminals and real crimes. The protection comes in the form of excluding any form of transparent review of the accusers, the BOT payments - even the collusion of various "key players" who constructed the case against and then prosecuted Sandusky. Add in protections obtained for Corbett's hand-picked " Liar for Hire" by NOT ALLOWING his breach of contract actions - NOT publicly reviewing his "opinions" which maintains a fictitious "fact pool" . Reason is his document provided NO CONCRETE (or even Reasonable) support of his "conclusions.
The all too obvious fact is that there are too many "machined parts" required to support the public "Story" concerning Penn State. 5+ Years later there is now reasonable doubt concerning the accusation process which "uncovered" the "victims" of Sandusky.
If "the Story" were even remotely true, then why so much effort by the accusing parties to withhold (what would normally be) CONFIRMING EVIDENCE. Truth is - there never was a case against Penn State Officials - they took "reasonable man" actions AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT. The involvement of Paterno and PSU was accomplished to allow $$$$ to be bled from the university for reasons still unknown. What IS KNOWN IS - "the Story" is total BS and the only entity that has the CAPACITY to commit such a collusive crime is PA GOVERNMENT.
FINAL TRUMP ACE in this scandal - A core premise of the "Story" is that a coach with 61+ years of exemplary service and personal actions has been in fact, a criminal pedophile enabler. Yet, an OAG investigation fraught with "suspicious" actions and potential abuses of the legal system has provided the public with information which is NOT CORRUPTED - a premise with no factual support It is this "corrupted" information pool that forms the entire foundation which established the PSU "Public guilt".
THINK ABOUT THIS.....Since when do you believe a POLITICIAN or POLITICAL GROUP over ANYONE?????
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I don't believe JS is entirely innocent. He was, if nothing else too fond of showering with boys.
But this I do wonder about.....AF was a known teller of tales at CMHS. Did JS abuse him? Did his step father abuse him? Was he abused by both or not at all? He wasn't particularly credible in his GJ testimony, and finally was permitted to read his testimony. The "victim" of the McQueary saga never came forward to collect his easy 3 million or (AM) did he? Finally, we have the crying janitor fairy tale. Yes the man who faced 1 million pissed of Chinese in Korea, was brought to tears by the sight of some guy giving a hummer to another unknown victim.
It is difficult for me to believe that JS is one of the worst "nice guy" offenders in history and this is the best the OAG could come up with.
To me at least, there are missing pieces in order for this to add up.
But this I do wonder about.....AF was a known teller of tales at CMHS. Did JS abuse him? Did his step father abuse him? Was he abused by both or not at all? He wasn't particularly credible in his GJ testimony, and finally was permitted to read his testimony. The "victim" of the McQueary saga never came forward to collect his easy 3 million or (AM) did he? Finally, we have the crying janitor fairy tale. Yes the man who faced 1 million pissed of Chinese in Korea, was brought to tears by the sight of some guy giving a hummer to another unknown victim.
It is difficult for me to believe that JS is one of the worst "nice guy" offenders in history and this is the best the OAG could come up with.
To me at least, there are missing pieces in order for this to add up.
Yes, Sandusky did shower on at least 2 ocassions with boys, namely with v2 and v6. I don't recommend the practice and, at a minimum, a strong case can be made that it may be inappropriate. However, I don't believe it is crime unless there is sexual intent. I don't believe the case has not been made that there was sexual intent in either the v2 or v6 incidents.
Too many "machine points" in the overall "victims" stories. This entire legal case is a fabrication.
If this were a REAL SET OF CRIMES....why the 3 year delay in charging Sandusky? If these criminal tendencies were real and legally provable, why wait 3 years to "take him off the streets".
Also, why would you recommend and then require Freeh to thoroughly investigate the situation with the result of the $8.5M "investigation" PUBLICLY SUPPORTING the OAG presentment position of THE WORST CASE DESCRIPTION of MM's 2002 (err, 2001) incident. Why would you need to incriminate Penn State Officials when the charges were "technicalities at best" - most likely pure fabrications. You would do that ONLY if the LEGAL CASE you constructed against Sandusky was flawed and you needed deep pockets to fund "smoke-screen paybacks"! Deep pockets in the $Millions come from a compliant PSU BOT vetting process which opens the PSU bank to pay for the smoke screen. Added bonus is that it takes the media off the real crooks - TSM and corrupt government!
The Freeh Report conclusions, in concert with the OAG actions and PA State illegalities, mathematically remove any doubt that all entire PA state activities were politically motivated. The conclusion made by Freeh in his BROADCAST investigation findings PUBLICLY stated there was "...proof of absolute guilt via a "Conspiracy of Silence" by Penn State Executives - INCLUDING PATERNO..." This conclusion can not be supported by anything contained in the same report and this conclusion can not be validated to this day - 5+YEARS afterwards. THE LEGALITY OF THE CASE AGAINST SANDUSKY is a Fraud and a total abuse of citizen's rights and our basic legal system. It was created by and remains supported by a collusive, corrupted group of individuals - these include some members of our own BOT.
Unfortunately....that's the fundamental truth!
Jury selection begins in McQueary case
http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/education/penn-state/jerry-sandusky/article107337942.html
http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/education/penn-state/jerry-sandusky/article107337942.html
Serious question: will Dr. Raykovitz have his ass hauled into this trial? Dr. Jack is the bad actor here - he has Penn State on his doorstep complaining. He is just as much to blame for letting this all burn away on PSU.
What about Cynthia Baldwin? She could have made one phone call and headed off this crisis. What did the AG's office threaten her with?
Lastly - what about Franky "Porn Fingers" Fina? Can he be made to explain his role in that GJP that gave rise to the firestorm that enveloped Mike?
IMO these 3 have yet to answer for destroying so many lives - of which Mike's is one.
What about Cynthia Baldwin? She could have made one phone call and headed off this crisis. What did the AG's office threaten her with?
Lastly - what about Franky "Porn Fingers" Fina? Can he be made to explain his role in that GJP that gave rise to the firestorm that enveloped Mike?
IMO these 3 have yet to answer for destroying so many lives - of which Mike's is one.
Absolutely!
Someone(s) should have named each of them as defendants in at least one of the various legal filings that have been floating around for a half-decade.
Like:
Maybe the Sandusky "victims"
- - obviously wrt Jack R.....Maybe in the Paterno et al suit.......certainly wrt the PSU BOT "leaders" (though I know you didn't mention them specifically)
Maybe in Spanier's suit vav Freeh......particularly wrt Baldwin and Fina
This action certainly doesn't have reach into any of those realms.........but just about every action EXCEPT this one would have had an arguable cause to bring at least some of those actors into the picture.
No one did.
That's was bewildering 5 years ago......and more so every day.
And - every day - we get further and further away.
And the embers of hope grow dimmer and dimmer.
But, I don't need to play the "destroyer of hope"......I think we all know those things anyway
Alas.
And let's get Jonelle Eschbach back on the stand as well. She wrote the GJP, and I think some more in depth questioning is in order.
I know where one of them is (or was recently), because I had the good fortune of bearing witness to him being detained by law enforcement a few weeks ago.
Why would you say something like that - without saying who it was? And what the situation was?
I mean, I'm all for having everyone thinking that maybe every "aforementioned He" was arrested for some reason
......but I doubt that is true
Well...IIRC, Gary Schultz will be filing a suit against Baldwin, I am not sure how that will all work. We all pegged her from the beginning in this debacle. I am told by a former Federal Prosecutor that this suit against Baldwin is worth $80 million.
Just think, this entire mess birthed out of Harrisburg by porn-addled lawyers, fueled along by an incompetent lawyer, flared up into a conflagration by media (cough... Patriot-News, ESPN... cough) lawyers & even more underprepared and incompetent lawyers and now we are expecting even more lawyers to resolve and bring closure to this crisis.
And all along, who's been making coin off of all this? Lawyers.
But hey, I gotta keep telling myself, it's because it was always about "the children".
Listen....This entire "Story" was crafted by a political "spin master" (group) who usually is only found anywhere there is a dirty political campaign which need to create a "monster image" of a political opponent.
SORRY....This is NOT bad luck attacking a casual group of innocents - our BOT - who were unprepared for anything.... and.... it CERTAINLY was not an accident how the OAG Presentment and media blitz was crafted. You only need to take all the key players used in accusing ANYONE here and any key players who promoted the illusion created by the "Story" and link them to persons within the "power structure" of this event. Guess which AG/Gov is connected to all of them???
There is both an Ego and Money angle here and the crisis (most people call it crime) created is so big, no one wants to admit it exists!!!! That's the way it has been planned - TOO BIG TO FAIL !!
Many very talented people have analyzed the Sandusky-Paterno-PSU "Story" over the past 5 years and each person who has done this work exposes PART of what is going on here. The total scope of the real crimes committed throughout are MANY DOZEN TIMES WORSE than any of the crimes Sandusky is "convicted" of. (NO I am not promoting Sandusky in any way - it is just the Crimes committed in created and promoting these PSU falsehoods effects so many MILLIONS of citizens - that's why its worse).
With the "Federal Investigation" on PSU about to be released, we enter a new chapter in corruption through unseen influence - for it is ONLY the Feds who can bring the organization - and its methods of "story telling" deceptions to the public - to an end. Problem is....the Fed's Clery Investigation will be "spun" into more support for the original Penn State Criminal fabrication. That's because the Media controls that exist still have PSU image destruction as a target.
If the Feds DON'T investigate the REAL CRIMINAL ACTIONS which constructed this "crisis", I can assure you no PA entities will. Crime is "not the tail on this dog" in PA.
bwifan
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Jury selection will be done today and opening statements scheduled to start in 1 week... Let the games begin...
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20161010_ap_a6cbab82469447a2b0786c7ffefec2fd.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20161010_ap_a6cbab82469447a2b0786c7ffefec2fd.html
Masser already stated - under oath - that the reason the Scoundrels commissioned the Freeh Report was to short circuit the Dept of Education (and others) from conducting "real" investigations.........
But, alas, it doesn't appear that anyone was paying attention to his deposition (maybe everyone was bored to death)
Alas
Is it any wonder that Keith the Babbling Chimpanzee is never permitted to stray from his notes when speaking at the BOT meetings?
He has to read from his teleprompter to say "Good Morning"
It's my understanding that Mr. McCue getting arrested isn't exactly front page news (but it was the first time I'd actually seen it live & in person).Why would you say something like that - without saying who it was? And what the situation was?
I mean, I'm all for having everyone thinking that maybe every "aforementioned He" was arrested for some reason
And as for the reason for his detention, I have no earthly idea. I just happened to be Johnny on the Spot.
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Yup. And Erickson did likewise. I'm betting there's something to this.
If in fact Jonelle Eschbach is the author of the GJP, I would assert that she has escaped the level of scrutiny that she deserves. Like all the other turds, she floats to the top a few weeks ago with a "fluff piece." Poor Jonelle, who was so conflicted about the damage this case would do to PSU that she "inserted" anal rape into her GJP.
She has been fortunate to date, IMO, that Frank Fina exists.
She has been fortunate to date, IMO, that Frank Fina exists.
My favorite and it always seems to come in this mess is:
"Well, Your Honor. We’ve plenty of hearsay and conjecture. Those are kinds of evidence. "
bwifan
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>>> Sandusky was convicted in 2012 of dozens of counts of sexual abuse of children, although he maintains his innocence and is pursuing appeals. Curley, Schultz and Spanier await trial in Harrisburg, after a state appeals court earlier this year threw out several of the more serious counts against them. A pretrial hearing in those cases is scheduled for Thursday. <<<
Forgive me if was posted earlier, but the last sentence in the paragraph above. Anyone know what is going to be heard in those pretrial hearings scheduled on Thursday for Curley/Schultz/Spanier?
Forgive me if was posted earlier, but the last sentence in the paragraph above. Anyone know what is going to be heard in those pretrial hearings scheduled on Thursday for Curley/Schultz/Spanier?
I believe it will be about whether to drop the remaining charges. OAG is also trying to argue that two conspiracy charges are still valid and were not dropped by the Superior court.
Should add I also think the issues about whether to unseal the files is being brought up. Could be any or all of of these things.
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