Yeah, that is messed up. I wonder how that conversation went?He visited Jery in jail. Just think about that for a minute. That is the guy who is questioning the victims!!!
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Yeah, that is messed up. I wonder how that conversation went?He visited Jery in jail. Just think about that for a minute. That is the guy who is questioning the victims!!!
Are you referring to JZ, or did someone else in the thread visit JS too?
Yeah, that is messed up. I wonder how that conversation went?
Do I think nut jobs put PSU first, justice second? I really do. Do I think if you are a fan or alum and you visited Jerry in jail you have zero credibility? Yes I do. I think the victims have way more credibility than that guy. Are 10 or so people on this board dis functional fanactics with no real moral compass based on what we know today? Yes. Do I care if I piss these nut jobs off? Not at all.
Fun game.
Does that person think that all 30 of his victims are liars?Since you get to write the credibility rules how about someone who lives in a different state, not a PSU alum, is certified as a child care specialist who was specifically assigned to these kind of cases & who has reported the rape of a minor? Would that person have credibility?
Does that person think that all 30 of his victims are liars?
Does that person think that all 30 of his victims are liars?
Do you think all of the accusers told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I don't.
BTW do you think Alan Myers was a liar when he told cops Sandusky never molested him or when he said Sandusky did?
Look another Innocence Project fool with another strawman knocked down.
No one, anywhere tells the "truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" on any given day. Every human lies, all the time, on many levels, for a variety of reasons. Now back to reality....
The question is does the evidence back up what the victims say, and on that the answer is pretty clearly yes.
Since you get to write the credibility rules how about someone who lives in a different state, not a PSU alum, is certified as a child care specialist who was specifically assigned to these kind of cases & who has reported the rape of a minor? Would that person have credibility?
What "evidence"?
Stick to PL and TOS.
Other witnesses (who didn't make a dollar), phone records, hotel receipts, experts analysis, Jerry's words.
Were Freeh and the "pig sex expert" on the SITF some of the expert analysis?
Freeh was hired by PSU's circus known as the BoT. He did not sit on the jury nor did he prosecute Jerry. It must be confusing to you pnny. Freeh and the BoT sentenced PSU. The actual judicial system sent Jerry where he needed to be.Were Freeh and the "pig sex expert" on the SITF some of the expert analysis?
Since you get to write the credibility rules how about someone who lives in a different state, not a PSU alum, is certified as a child care specialist who was specifically assigned to these kind of cases & who has reported the rape of a minor? Would that person have credibility?
No. Perhaps you can ask some of your club to work the case?
I'm an eyewitness to Black Elmo 2 not responding to requests to reveal his source for the definition he quoted for "eye witness", and in the process destroying what little credibility he had.
Keep up with the random off-topic posts... maybe we will forget?
Still waiting for one good reason why PSU gave Matt Sandusky a settlement... First he testified he was never abused, but then suddenly remembered abuse that took place in 1992. How is Penn State responsible for this suddenly remembered "abuse"? I don't recall Penn State placing Matt in the Sandusky home.
Also, is it considered "victim bashing" if I question why certain victims got settlements substantially larger than the others when the courts ruled they could view the Freeh material?
Pointless in questioning settlements. Settlements are not about guiltStill waiting for one good reason why PSU gave Matt Sandusky a settlement... First he testified he was never abused, but then suddenly remembered abuse that took place in 1992. How is Penn State responsible for this suddenly remembered "abuse"? I don't recall Penn State placing Matt in the Sandusky home.
Also, is it considered "victim bashing" if I question why certain victims got settlements substantially larger than the others when the courts ruled they could view the Freeh material?
Why don't you go to his website and find out? The transcripts are there.Yeah, that is messed up. I wonder how that conversation went?
Jerry had no chance the minute the BOT fired Paterno!Freeh was hired by PSU's circus known as the BoT. He did not sit on the jury nor did he prosecute Jerry. It must be confusing to you pnny. Freeh and the BoT sentenced PSU. The actual judicial system sent Jerry where he needed to be.
He was supposed to be the star witness for the defense. Then he hired Shubin. You don't think that turned the case? How about the case against PSU?Who cares? He wasn't involved in any way in convicting Jerry. So what he told the cops is pretty irrelevant when it comes to Jerry being in jail. Strawmen abound in your arguments...
He had no chance regardless. The Paterno's don't claim Jerry is innocent.Jerry had no chance the minute the BOT fired Paterno!
He thinks all thirty were convinced that Jerry did what he was accused to have done with somebody and needed to be put away. And then there was the $$$$!!!!Does that person think that all 30 of his victims are liars?
That's right! Nobody came to Jerry's defense, especially if they wanted to address the injustice to Paterno. He never received the presumption of innocence he, and every one of us, is supposedly guaranteed by the constitution.He had no chance regardless. The Paterno's don't claim Jerry is innocent.
That's right! Nobody came to Jerry's defense, especially if they wanted to address the injustice to Paterno. He never received the presumption of innocence he, and every one of us, is supposedly guaranteed by the constitution.
Did I say anyone was evil? I'm including myself in that group. I'm just saying that so many people fell all over themselves to gain some distance from Jerry that he never had a chance. Everyone wanted to appear so stridently against pedophilia that nobody considered the veracity of the evidence or the integrity of the legal process. The anal intercourse assertion, which was a total fabrication, was given immediate credibility with the firing of Paterno.So the Paterno's are evil and Jerry is the victim. Seems perfectly well thought out. I wonder if Joe was in on it now. Great theories Indy. Your boy Tim thinking Jerry is innocent too? I had no idea Joe was in on this. At least the proof of his innocent has really come through.
Did I say anyone was evil? I'm including myself in that group. I'm just saying that so many people fell all over themselves to gain some distance from Jerry that he never had a chance. Everyone wanted to appear so stridently against pedophilia that nobody considered the veracity of the evidence or the integrity of the legal process. The anal intercourse assertion, which was a total fabrication, was given immediate credibility with the firing of Paterno.
Joe said, and I'm paraphrasing, "If the accusations against Sandusky are true, then he fooled a lot of people." Not only do I believe that Joe's comment was the closest to the truth we've heard, I'm not convinced the question of "if" has been answered satisfactorily. And I find it curious that some PSU supporters seem more comfortable with a demonstrably false and damaging narrative than with those who would seek the truth.
Jerry didn't have a chance because he did it. There is not s shred of evidence yet showing anyone he is innocent. The biggest false narrative on this site is Jerry is a victim somehow. He had his due process and he has no defense for what he did to this kids. Then again, PSU's image is a bigger concern to you than Jerry's victims.
PSU's image is not tarnished whether Jerry is guilty or not, aside from the gross negligence and malfeasance of the BOT.
What Jerry did or didn't do is all on him. There are plenty of people to blame before getting down to PSU, if assigning blame is important to you.
I've never claimed he was innocent, only that his trial was a sham. My personal opinion is that he's more perv than monster. At the very least, I think he was too smart to actually assault a child on PSU property. His access to PSU was too important to him and his grooming process.
However, I am no longer sure that he ever raped anyone. There's certainly no verifiable evidence to prove he did and it's a joke to force him to prove he didn't. You can't prove a negative, as I'm sure you know. There's a reason JS got away with it for so long and I really don't think it was because he was so clever.
I don't think that happened. That's my opinion. He may have fantasized about such things, but I don't believe he ever actually engaged in a sexual act with anyone. To be honest, I wonder if he's even capable of it. Which doesn't mean I'm at all convinced he didn't cross the perv line.....and oral sex repeatedly is not just being a perv.....
I don't think that happened. That's my opinion. He may have fantasized about such things, but I don't believe he ever actually engaged in a sexual act with anyone. To be honest, I wonder if he's even capable of it.
He was supposed to be the star witness for the defense. Then he hired Shubin. You don't think that turned the case? How about the case against PSU?
I don't think that happened. That's my opinion. He may have fantasized about such things, but I don't believe he ever actually engaged in a sexual act with anyone. To be honest, I wonder if he's even capable of it.
In what possible way was Jerry "not capable of it?"
Jerry suffers from ED.
I don't think that happened. That's my opinion. He may have fantasized about such things, but I don't believe he ever actually engaged in a sexual act with anyone. To be honest, I wonder if he's even capable of it. Which doesn't mean I'm at all convinced he didn't cross the perv line.
What I do know is that Corbett & Co. were not going to put their political futures on the line to take down a perv. Prosecuting Sandusky only helped them if the public could be convinced he was a monster and they went to great lengths to create that narrative. And then they were able to sell it to the victims, only two of whom had originally come forward claiming an overt sexual act.
With women, but the man is a dynamo around young boys.Jerry suffers from ED.
Jerry suffers from ED.