Hall is gonna be pissed
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Mark looks so undersized at 174. He really could have used a year to get bigger.
He will be fine....Very nervous in that match and so was Nick S....That is only going to make them better !!!! Mark is a bit short for 74...May have tough time with the tall elite guys....He will AA and that exactely what we need from him...That guy was an AA and Mark will never lose to him again....
That's the rub.
I've posted this a dozen times.
Hall needs to stick @ 74kg (163lb) for Freestyle goals
The size you see is the size he's gonna stay.
Minnesota has a pretty good team this year. Things seem to be trending upward.
JRob should have kicked Early, Lizak, and Thorn off the team before they could get him fired.
We all have our regrets
OH, I gotta get over to the Mat to see the level of salty hate pouring out...should be epic.
I'll post a special thread over there, with each Mark Hall victory from here on out. One, agonizing, painful, brutal, thread, after another.
I'll post a special thread over there, with each Mark Hall victory from here on out. One, agonizing, painful, brutal, thread, after another.
Wasnt the size today that got him, it was the arm tie ups and the clutching and Meyer slowed the match down. Mark will learn from that. Crutchmer just as long as Meyer and Mark owned him.
This was Carver Hawkeye, his first match ever, Meyer wrestling one of his best matches ever, and timing. Support, love, back to work, and get after it next week.
Excruciate those %#*^ers to death, 21! You can do it! [Don't ask me how I know.
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OH, I've done it before, haha. Believe me, the best has yet to begin over there...the pain will drip slowly upon them, like an IV of one Mark Hall victory, followed by the next, and the next, and the next....Excruciate those %#*^ers to death, 21! You can do it! [Don't ask me how I know.
And that will be just the beginning. Wait until Jimmy starts to shock people more and more.
Don't hold your breath on that match happening....
Bo was in a walking boot just s few days ago at the Illinois meet, his toe is still obviously bothering him. Knowing Tom Ryan's history... I seriously doubt he puts Bo out there not 100% and cold/inactive against someone as good as Hall.
Too many things to protect here... BoJo's health/injury, BoJo's confidence, and most importantly.. BoJo's record and seeding. Speaking off seeding...
The Hall shirt removal now places a major hurdle in front of Jordan in protecting the 1 seed going into the Nationals. He must knock off Hall at the Big 10's now to hold onto the top seed.
I personally don't see Hall beating BoJo if he wrestles the way he did tonight... (And I'm talking the result, I'm referring to the style). The size/strength advantage is too large.
If Hall ramps up his pace Nolf like, he could beat BoJo. Fortunately for Jordan, the odds Hall opens anything up offensively now against the likes of him or Valencia for example, which is the formula he must follow to beat these much bigger 174's, the odds are slim. That style and pace goes hand in hand with complete confidence and that's gonna be a problem with Hall now with losses to Brucki and Meyer. (2 wrestlers not in Jordan/Valencia's level). Excited to see how it all plays out.
I would be shocked if BoJo and Hall face off before the Big 10's, the only thing possibly making the dual match happen is if Tom Ryan decides the team dual is more important than positioning one of his top guys seeding for the big dance. That may be the case, PSU at home is huge for OSU's wrestling program. We'll see I guess.
That would be Joseph vs Isaac Jordan next week.... Yes, that is a big match.
Are you high? Or do all black Iowa State head coaches look the same to you?
Could very well be the case. But, man, Hall looked tiny compared to Meyer.
Really wish we could dispense with the "looked small" mentality. Hall didn't lose because he looked small. He lost because he didn't wrestle as well as Meyer.
Know who looks tiny? Snyder next to Walz or Coon.
I hope this becomes motivation for Hall instead of a confidence killer. I still have all the faith in the world in Hall and think the right decision was made.
Hall has lost to Brucki, Meyer, and was well on his way to losing to at the Scuffle until he hit that all or nothing mixer. That's 2, almost 3 losses in less than 20 matches this year. Bo Jordan is the top dog in this class along with Valencia. I think Hall MAY beat BoJo 1 out of 3 times. Like Imar said in his tweet... College wrestling is a whole different ballgame. Your simply going off Hall's past credentials but when it comes to college wrestling for Hall, so far the proof is in the pudding. No denying the kids talent but he's nowhere near the top of the food chain at this point, and hardly so done you could say would or will handle a Bo Jordan in any of 3 potential match ups coming up. Come back to earth/reality.
You are correct. We need Hall to start scoring more TDs. Too many bad things can happen in close matches.
Actually he wasn't the only one. I noticed your lack of knowledge on past coaches as soon as I read it, but didn't think of a clever ( and factually correct) reply like El Jefe.
One thing at a time. Back to the room, learning, working, having fun while doing it.
Then Wisky. One thing at a time. Marky will learn and come out strong in Madison.
Then Wisky. One thing at a time. Marky will learn and come out strong in Madison.
So far Hall has wins over 4, 5 and 10 and very close losses to 12 and 20. Rank is based on the 1st coaches panel. He's got Christensen(24), Jordon(NR) if healthy, Brunson(9) and unranked MD. Jordan is unranked, but would be 1 or 2. Not too bad for a freshman. He'll work it out and be ready for the post season.
Dude, it was a simple observation, not a "mentality". I thought the size disparity was rather striking. Having seen almost nothing of Hall in action since he got to PSU, I was a bit surprised by it.
And, as another heavyweight example (while making no comment or inference regarding Hall), Hollaway looked pretty small compared to Nevills.
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In your case it was an observation -- but it gets thrown around a ton, and it's tyipcally a built-in excuse.
But what does that observation mean? He's smaller and then what?
Holloway didn't "look" smaller than Nevills -- he was smaller. 217 vs. 252. And he's not as good as Nevills.
i think the size issues is a factor in this respect.....up to this year all his elite competition the past 2 years has been at 163. He is clearly smaller than a majority of his competition at 174 this year and has lost 2 matches to #12 and #20. He's shown the ability to beat bigger competition with pace and smart attacks (crutch) but does seem to have a lull or two or periods of nonchalant-ness that has cost him at this level and at this weight. Tilt by Brucki, takedowns by Preisch and Meyer. Has the talent to place 1-5, but at this weight and his experience at college level he'll need his best everytime out there.
But "size" is not an athletic ability or skill. It doesn't mean he is stronger or weaker, quicker or slower, in better or worse condition. To borrow the phrase from the scene in Moneyball where Billy Beane chewed out his scouts about drafting a catcher: it just means he looks better in jeans.
I agree that Hall can't afford mental lapses -- and the necessary improvement in focus is a HS to college transition that we rarely consider.
BTW, that's 163 lb freestyle, which we all know is a different cutting routine. He's wrestled 170 lb folk the past couple years, which is in line with the 163 lb freestylers.
Not needing to pull weight, could actually be an advantage for Mark in St Louis. We've seen plenty of examples where kid struggle the next day.
Being that it is a forum, best bet is to let people decide for themselves what to talk about, what's relevant, what matters to them. It's up to them to decide. If people are talking about it, there's oftentimes a reason.
Do you know if BoJo has found a baby sitter for that weekend?
Here is what el jefe posted. I don't see anywhere that he TOLD people what to talk about, he merely voiced his opinion on the matter. Personally I agree with him because that opinion is stated here quite often and it's always the PSU wrestler that looks smaller. I don't remember a single time (although I'm certain there have been) that someone said the PSU wrestler looked bigger or a lot bigger. Just an observation on my part.
Really wish we could dispense with the "looked small" mentality. Hall didn't lose because he looked small. He lost because he didn't wrestle as well as Meyer.
Just my two cents, but his size is not really a factor. He beat Crutchmer with ease and he's a bull.
Meyer slowed the match down and tied him up a lot. I'm guessing Hall is superior to nearly all these guys in neutral. He needs, to push, push, push the action à la Jason Nolf. He should have 4 to 5 TDs vs a guy like Meyer, not 2.
Meyer slowed the match down and tied him up a lot. I'm guessing Hall is superior to nearly all these guys in neutral. He needs, to push, push, push the action à la Jason Nolf. He should have 4 to 5 TDs vs a guy like Meyer, not 2.
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