He admits fall
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I would have called it and everyone watching with me agreed.
Eirman is from the Dean Heil era. The non-call of the defensive pin is grandfathered forward for him.
After a lot of research in the lab and trial and error testing on my own dime, I Basically see only 3 options of how the ref could royally blow this call.
1. First time being a ref and seeing a match.
2. Ref was paid off with Terry Brand’s milk money allowance given to him by his brother, Tom Brands.
3. Ref suffers from same problem that Micheal Kemerrer suffers from—age related cataracts.
1. First time being a ref and seeing a match.
2. Ref was paid off with Terry Brand’s milk money allowance given to him by his brother, Tom Brands.
3. Ref suffers from same problem that Micheal Kemerrer suffers from—age related cataracts.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say 100% of PSU fans say he was stuck. That ref better explain himself
I won't say that it was definitely a fall.
However, it did appear that he was stuck, given that the lower scapula was on the mat for several seconds. The question is whether it was one continuous second.
The ref doing the match struggled throughout the tournament.
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I didn't see the match live or a replay yet, but he's flat as a pancake in that photo (still frames obviously only capture one blip in time), but what's odd about the photo is that the ref's attention and his eyes are not on the mat or Eirman's shoulders at all. What in God's name is he concentrating on if not a defensive pin?
I also didn't see it live but just going off of other posts.
As to setting it up and the guts for the ref to call it, just go back and watch Teague Moore, North Allegheny boy Wrestling for Oklahoma State in the NCAAs 1998 118lb class (billrag) against undefeated David Morgan out of Michigan St.
It was a defensive fall from Neutral.
Moore took what was there and used it.
It was the NCAA finals and the ref had the stones to call the falls.
I do agree that a defensive fall should be a second longer than an offensive one but the Iowa match posters were saying 9 seconds. Nuts.
As to setting it up and the guts for the ref to call it, just go back and watch Teague Moore, North Allegheny boy Wrestling for Oklahoma State in the NCAAs 1998 118lb class (billrag) against undefeated David Morgan out of Michigan St.
It was a defensive fall from Neutral.
Moore took what was there and used it.
It was the NCAA finals and the ref had the stones to call the falls.
I do agree that a defensive fall should be a second longer than an offensive one but the Iowa match posters were saying 9 seconds. Nuts.
Anybody know who the ref is? From the still shot I think I know and he's usually pretty on top of things.
He was pinned but its hard to get a ref to call that and especially that ref. Top guy rolling thru on his back is one thing but eirman got stuck on his back by bottom guy. HS no, they take longer to call fall but college they call them at 1 second. Well most do lol
So an offensive fall = question sec, but a defensive fall = 2 sec?
Where is that in the rules?
While this is true, it also doesn't matter. If Eierman stuck himself, he's still stuck.
And, yes, he was stuck.
Unless "poorwrestler" is Eierman, disappointing thread.
Some officials don't look for the fall. They get on their hands and knees and look for illegal defensive activities such as fingers to the face, or the grasping of the offensive wrestler's headgear. They sometimes just don't get down on the mat and look for the fall. Look at Mineo's picture and tell me if the official is looking for the fall. Chaps my you know what!
It's right after the rules on how to call stalling!
Hard to call anything a 100% deal unless your talking about the chances of my being banned on HR again. Really though, alot of Hawk fans are saying he was stuck as well.
Intent plus 2 seconds. Let’s put that in the rule book just for more gross misinterpretation and enforcement.
Or for Eierman: intent + ref drinks a beer + ref belches + 2 sec.
He appears to me to be trying to read Eierman's lips, possibly about where to pickup the lunchbag of $$$.
So, Eierman dodged a bullet so to speak, I guess he was quicker than Sam Stoll! 😁
And where can I pick up that application to take the officiating test again?
HR can steer you to the right office at CHA.
We are all forgetting that the ref wasn't looking for the fall, he was looking for coach Terry if he called the fall! While thinking how close was Security to help, does Security know their tasers won't work and did he park his car close enough to the arena exit door. 
We also unanimously thought Evans had Perry stuck.
no lol the complaint you’re looking for is that ref called a quick pin against wilson
there’s a reason we don’t use still photos to call falls. it was close. unfortunately, there isn’t a great angle on video to see it. i’ve watched it a few times. the only point where i think it’s close is the last 2 seconds but you can’t see where eierman’s opposite shoulder is.
generally speaking, right or wrong, defensive pins are called much slower. you usually have to really stick someone to get that call. i don’t feel strongly either way. i definitely don’t think he was 100% stuck. you have to be a little biased to think that, but if that call was made i wouldn’t complain either. jack needed another 2 seconds i think.
generally speaking, right or wrong, defensive pins are called much slower. you usually have to really stick someone to get that call. i don’t feel strongly either way. i definitely don’t think he was 100% stuck. you have to be a little biased to think that, but if that call was made i wouldn’t complain either. jack needed another 2 seconds i think.
Maybe we have to give the ref a break. It may be hard to concentrate with an entire fan base yelling for a stalling call in unison. FYI, "He is stalling" yells started approximately 2 minutes before the match began during warm ups.
Jimmy’s was in a neutral scramble, right? but still…
Steiber was flat for a second too.
I’m sure there have been far worse but this one here is worst non-call I’ve seen.
