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Jimmy’s was in a neutral scramble, right? but still…

Steiber was flat for a second too.

I’m sure there have been far worse but this one here is worst non-call I’ve seen.
idk about that. gulibon’s was wayyyy closer, multiple times.

i just watched it again a couple times. you can see on the video that both of his shoulders are up until about 2 seconds and his right shoulder is tilted so that it’s way up. at that point jack gets more backward pressure and forces his shoulders towards the mat, but the tilt remains in tact which leads me to believe (though we can’t see) that his right shoulder was still up. at 1 second there’s another adjustment and eierman starts squirming back and forth. this is the first moment that the call could have been made, but eierman was still able to rock back and forth which probably means his shoulders weren’t consistently flat for the duration of that second. that’s a really tough position for an official to make that call on what would be close to a touch fall in a position that falls are always called slower. like i said earlier, jack needed 2 more seconds to establish more control so eierman couldn’t keep rocking out of danger and he has it.

don’t fall into recency bias. the gulibon call was a million times worse. he had heil a millimeter from being pinned for what felt like the entire match.
 
If my memory serves me right, I think Nico got a defensive pin against Oky State at home. Anyone else remember that? It was a quick call too.
 
As much as the pin is good fodder for the message boards.....

Why aren't people in Iowa city sounding the alarms that's this hawk team may have peaked at at last seasons big tens.

This is truly your grandfather's team and they are primed for huuuuuge let down as this season drags.

I would hate to be Spyker and say you can spend too long in that room ...... but I really think you can burn out under that constant pressure by the TnT staff and program expectations.
 
As much as the pin is good fodder for the message boards.....

Why aren't people in Iowa city sounding the alarms that's this hawk team may have peaked at at last seasons big tens.

This is truly your grandfather's team and they are primed for huuuuuge let down as this season drags.

I would hate to be Spyker and say you can spend too long in that room ...... but I really think you can burn out under that constant pressure by the TnT staff and program expectations.
there are plenty of fans who are talking about this
 
As much as the pin is good fodder for the message boards.....

Why aren't people in Iowa city sounding the alarms that's this hawk team may have peaked at at last seasons big tens.

This is truly your grandfather's team and they are primed for huuuuuge let down as this season drags.

I would hate to be Spyker and say you can spend too long in that room ...... but I really think you can burn out under that constant pressure by the TnT staff and program expectations.
It didnt seem to phaze Young any, he went and married into the circus.
 
As much as the pin is good fodder for the message boards.....

Why aren't people in Iowa city sounding the alarms that's this hawk team may have peaked at at last seasons big tens.

This is truly your grandfather's team and they are primed for huuuuuge let down as this season drags.

I would hate to be Spyker and say you can spend too long in that room ...... but I really think you can burn out under that constant pressure by the TnT staff and program expectations.
I spent all summer sounding the alarms only to be laughed at. Lol
 
At least you'll be getting Kem back now. Ya know, since hes now healed up from that "injury"... :)
i’ll believe it when i see it. spencer being back before him tells me that he did have some sort of injury. especially since brands explicitly said he’d be back for oregon state.
 
Fair enough but I still contend you werent going to see Kem before the New Year regardless of his injury status.
i’ll believe it when i see it. spencer being back before him tells me that he did have some sort of injury. especially since brands explicitly said he’d be back for oregon state.
 
The egregious call in this match was the ref stopping the action as Jack was about to get a TD in the 2nd period. No reason at all to stop that sequence as it wasn’t potentially dangerous
 
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Fair enough but I still contend you werent going to see Kem before the New Year regardless of his injury status.
IDK his injury situation but if he's anywhere near returning, then I wouldn't be surprised to see him at Midlands Day 1 and then MFF out of Day 2.

The Pillsbury Doughboy thinks that field is soft, especially on Day 1.
 
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As much as the pin is good fodder for the message boards.....

Why aren't people in Iowa city sounding the alarms that's this hawk team may have peaked at at last seasons big tens.

This is truly your grandfather's team and they are primed for huuuuuge let down as this season drags.

I would hate to be Spyker and say you can spend too long in that room ...... but I really think you can burn out under that constant pressure by the TnT staff and program expectations.

Yeah, it's got to be a grind to be in any room for 6 or 7 years. It's a bit different for RTC guys who don't have to make weight every week and wrestle 30 matches in 4 months.

Toss in a few freestyle tournaments over the summer and even the best would start to burn out after 4 or 5 years.
 
The rule:
"Art. 1. Fall. A fall occurs when any part of both shoulders or part of both
scapulae of either wrestler is held in contact with the mat for one second. The
one-second count (one-thousand-one) shall be a silent count by the referee
and shall start only after the referee is in position to observe that a fall is
imminent."

I thought in real time that it was a fall. After watching the video again, I'm saying it is not a fall. The right scapula was not on the mat for a full continuous second as Eireman was arching his back/flopping around. If touch falls were the rule, as in freestyle, it would have been a fall.
 
This preoccupation with all things Iowa makes me wonder. Maybe it’s the holes at four PSU weights? Maybe it’s those team title years getting farther away? I guess I get it, if you’re not good enough to win on your own merits you hope the ones better than you stumble.

So much for wanting to beat the best team on their best day.
 
Fair enough but I still contend you werent going to see Kem before the New Year regardless of his injury status.
before this weekend i would have agreed because i thought that about spencer too, but he was out there. also i heard that corby, who is tied in to the program, mentioned an injury in his preview. i’m going to with that as a much simpler alternative to your “kem didn’t want to come back and they promised he wouldn’t have to wrestle before january” conspiracy. if that were the case, tom would not have explicitly said he’d wrestle against oregon state.
 
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100% stuck
like 100% pregnant, 100% seems unnecessary.
The one-second count (one-thousand-one) shall be a silent count by the referee and shall start only after the referee is in position to observe that a fall is imminent.
I guess the one second could be debated. But by not being in position to observe, the referee may've taken advantage of a loophole to starting his silent count.

(I hoped it was a pin, but didn't think it was.)
 
This preoccupation with all things Iowa makes me wonder. Maybe it’s the holes at four PSU weights? Maybe it’s those team title years getting farther away? I guess I get it, if you’re not good enough to win on your own merits you hope the ones better than you stumble.

So much for wanting to beat the best team on their best day.
Frankly, it's pretty normal to discuss the team that is as good as Iowa, one that is standing in Penn State's way to another championship. Some here may be a bit overzealous, but most are not.

Penn State's weight class weaknesses, and the very recent eight-in-nine-year titles are also discussed plenty. I say bring them (Iowa) on, at full strength, and may the best team win.
 
before this weekend i would have agreed because i thought that about spencer too, but he was out there. also i heard that corby, who is tied in to the program, mentioned an injury in his preview. i’m going to with that as a much simpler alternative to your “kem didn’t want to come back and they promised he wouldn’t have to wrestle before january” conspiracy. if that were the case, tom would not have explicitly said he’d wrestle against oregon state.
And fair enough again. But remember, you all called me crazy this summer when I told you Kem was struggling with the decision to come back. Willie confirmed on his show a couple weeks ago that that he spoke with Kem on phone and was indeed apprehensive about returning.
 
And fair enough again. But remember, you all called me crazy this summer when I told you Kem was struggling with the decision to come back. Willie confirmed on his show a couple weeks ago that that he spoke with Kem on phone and was indeed apprehensive about returning.
No inside info, but if this is true, even a talented wrestler like Kemerer will be swimming upstream to win a title. Burning desire is part of the equation, and whatever the reasons, when it is extinguished it is hard to return to your former self.
 
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I may have cracked a few jokes about Kem this past few months but I do find it noble of him to want to at least try to help his team win another title. I have always liked MK, actually one of my fave Iowa guys all time,but I just dont see him being a factor this year, I doubt he can even beat Foca.
 
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No inside info, but if this is true, even a talented wrestler like Kemerer will be swimming upstream to win a title. Burning desire is part of the equation, and whatever the reasons, when it is extinguished it is hard to return to your former self.
I heard it "somewhere" then Willie said on his show that he spoke with Kem on the phone and he was iffy about returning to the grind.

And I agree with you it is hard to return yo yourself. I said that about Assad and was right in the middle of arguments with Hawk fans that Kem may show signs of just being "finished" with collegiate wrestling. They really didnt like that I predicted Kem wouldnt reach finals this year because of all that. To be fair, they dont really like anything I say though. Lol
 
I may have cracked a few jokes about Kem this past few months but I do find it noble of him to want to at least try to help his team win another title. I have always liked MK, actually one of my fave Iowa guys all time,but I just dont see him being a factor this year, I doubt he can even beat Foca.
Kem is great kid. Spoke with a few times although it was years ago. If Star wouldnt win it and it had no affect on team title, I'd wish it were him. I wouldnt wish that for very many Hawk wrestlers.
 
This preoccupation with all things Iowa makes me wonder. Maybe it’s the holes at four PSU weights? Maybe it’s those team title years getting farther away? I guess I get it, if you’re not good enough to win on your own merits you hope the ones better than you stumble.

So much for wanting to beat the best team on their best day.
One of those holes just had a better win than your 149 starter has had in 4 years
 
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