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Here is your resume...YOU decide if he needs fired...

I mean it is just absolute insanity. People want to dump the coach (which would cost about $30 million) to hire a guy who might be a candidate for one of the bottom B1G jobs.

You mean he’s not a candidate for USC or LSU?
 
I mean it is just absolute insanity. People want to dump the coach (which would cost about $30 million) to hire a guy who might be a candidate for one of the bottom B1G jobs.

I'm shocked none of them are clamoring for Bielema honestly. Just came in here and won. Has won multiple big ten titles. Smoke show wife that isn't afraid to pose in a bikini.
 
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I mean it is just absolute insanity. People want to dump the coach (which would cost about $30 million) to hire a guy who might be a candidate for one of the bottom B1G jobs.
I don’t think he would be anyone’s first choice. There are at least a 1/2 dozen guys I can think of. But nevertheless he is a proven solid head coach. Winning at Wake Forest is tougher than hell. If Franklin left we may have to get someone like that. You guys just can’t get it through your heads that this isn’t the job it once was.
 
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I don’t think he would be anyone’s first choice. There are at least a 1/2 dozen guys I can think of. But nevertheless he is a proven solid head coach. Winning at Wake Forest is tougher than hell. If Franklin left we may have to get someone like that. You guys just can’t get it through your heads that this isn’t the job it once was.

Which is why firing him is f’ing insane. The odds of someone like Clawson coming in here and turning us into Nebraska are a hell of a lot higher than him outperforming Franklin which is presumably the goal if we are firing Franklin.

The subject on this thread is firing Franklin, not replacing him after the lunatic fringe drives him away.

Would you rather have Franklin or Clawson?
 
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I read read page,,1. I am still going ahead to buy 2 season tickets next year. I live in FL, 1100 miles away but doing it anyway.
We had a good OL c9ach who was replaced with Troutwine. James needs a trusted career rabbi to help him in coach selection. He has done a good job overall. Beaver is still the most exciting sports venue in America. We are. No one but Franklin could get a great class after last year and keep them after Saturday.
 
A coach at that level, OK. But we have people on here saying fire Franklin so we can hire the coach from Kansas or Wake Forest.
Jon Gruden is not coaching college period and probably never again. You think we’re getting Urban…ya right. Joe Brady will be an NFL head coach next. All you do is throw out the biggest names, mostly NFL guys, which are not realistic. We would be fortunate to have someone like Clawson at PSU.
 
I read read page,,1. I am still going ahead to buy 2 season tickets next year. I live in FL, 1100 miles away but doing it anyway.
We had a good OL c9ach who was replaced with Troutwine. James needs a trusted career rabbi to help him in coach selection. He has done a good job overall. Beaver is still the most exciting sports venue in America. We are. No one but Franklin could get a great class after last year and keep them after Saturday.
Well, he has not “kept them after Saturday” yet…and still a few more AW Saturdays yet to go…
 
Jon Gruden is not coaching college period and probably never again. You think we’re getting Urban…ya right. Joe Brady will be an NFL head coach next. All you do is throw out the biggest names, mostly NFL guys, which are not realistic. We would be fortunate to have someone like Clawson at PSU.
Oh please…I am quite sure Penn State can attract a number of potential top coaches…it is time to move on…
 
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Just wondering how many in the "firing squad" have ever had executive authority and hired, counseled and fired high level managers. Most seem too hot headed to manage a Kool-Aid stand. Crises require a cool hand not anger and frustration.
 
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Jon Gruden is not coaching college period and probably never again. You think we’re getting Urban…ya right. Joe Brady will be an NFL head coach next. All you do is throw out the biggest names, mostly NFL guys, which are not realistic. We would be fortunate to have someone like Clawson at PSU.
He had a .500 record at Fordham, 29-20 at Richmond, 32-31 at Bowling Green, and 47-45 at Wake with his best season being 8-5. Yeah, we’d be fortunate to have him over Franklin (eye roll).
 
Just wondering how many in the "firing squad" have ever had executive authority and hired, counseled and fired high level managers. Most seem too hot headed to manage a Kool-Aid stand. Crises require a cool hand not anger and frustration.
Crises also require accountability and decisiveness.
 
But the same tired old excuse is used…it’s not that we lost, it’s how we lost. We hear it every year after every loss. So according to these geniuses, Franklin should be undefeated since 2016 because every game we lost was one that we should have won.

I deserve elite losses.
 
Just wondering how many in the "firing squad" have ever had executive authority and hired, counseled and fired high level managers. Most seem too hot headed to manage a Kool-Aid stand. Crises require a cool hand not anger and frustration.
Stop it. When college football coaches started making 5 plus million a year they started being held to a higher standard. We aren’t talking about some customer service rep making 38k a year.
 
65-30 won loss record after the next game

1 Big Ten championship in 8 years

1-8 against Ohio State and the win was 5 years ago

3-4 in games after a bye with all 4 losses at home in what is regarded as one of the biggest home field advantages in college football

In 2017 with what was your best team, you lose to Ohio State with a 3 touchdown lead, then lose the next game to an underdog Michigan State

In 2018 once again you lose to Ohio St with a 2 score lead and once again lose at home after a bye week to an underdog team

In 2020 you set an all time school record for worst start and you finish 4-5

In 2021 the exact same trend continues as you lose to the worst team in the conference after a bye week to a 24 point underdog

In 8 years you have failed to develop a competitive, even average offensive line that is capable of moving defensive linemen, even FCS Villanova

You are 9-8 since 2020

You cannot develop quarterbacks

You are incapable of rational clock management during games and decision making in general during games

There. Is this what your penn state deserves? Or do want better?
Well certainly all the constantly whining “experts” on here “deserve better”. And here I thought only millennials felt entitled.
 
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But if it's my resume, shouldn't I be fired?

"Why do you shamelessly waste my time like this?" (Mr. Hand)

"I don't understand. If I'm here and you're here doesn't that make it our time? Certainly nothing wrong with a little feast on our time." Jeff Spicoli
 
All you critics need to back off. I'm giving Franklin a mulligan for this year since it followed the 2020 season and most reasonable observers would do the same. I already gave him one for last year as well, none of this could be realistically considered fair for him. It isn't like he isn't doing his job, right?

Show some compassion and consideration. Franklin respects Joe and that is good enough for me, can't ask for any more devotion to the things that matter like Joe's legacy. Winning games, developing players, taking responsibility - that is noise level bullshit. WE ARE!!!
 
65-30 won loss record after the next game

1 Big Ten championship in 8 years

1-8 against Ohio State and the win was 5 years ago

3-4 in games after a bye with all 4 losses at home in what is regarded as one of the biggest home field advantages in college football

In 2017 with what was your best team, you lose to Ohio State with a 3 touchdown lead, then lose the next game to an underdog Michigan State

In 2018 once again you lose to Ohio St with a 2 score lead and once again lose at home after a bye week to an underdog team

In 2020 you set an all time school record for worst start and you finish 4-5

In 2021 the exact same trend continues as you lose to the worst team in the conference after a bye week to a 24 point underdog

In 8 years you have failed to develop a competitive, even average offensive line that is capable of moving defensive linemen, even FCS Villanova

You are 9-8 since 2020

You cannot develop quarterbacks

You are incapable of rational clock management during games and decision making in general during games

There. Is this what your penn state deserves? Or do want better?
Comparing CJF with a vacuum again...smh

Despite the fact that his tenure has had a few low points, imho without CJF, PSU would be unequivocally WORSE. For various reasons, the name Penn State does not recruit for itself or represent itself the way that it once may have...CJF's leadership and charisma is to be given credit for competing for recruits at such a high level. This has kept PSU relevant each season except for last year. That said, although the OL and DL recruiting have experienced some success, it has certainly not been at the same level as recruiting for other positions, which is precisely why PSU is more prone to upsets (despite its talent at other positions) than the highest tier of teams with dominant lines. Also, he clearly has proven successful in recruiting stars, but the depth behind those stars has obviously been an issue; DL depth was a primary factor in the referenced lost leads in the OSU games.

Those of us who support Franklin are not contending that everything he does is perfect...but we have the foresight to reasonably and logically predict that his replacement will not recruit as well as him, win as much as he has, or have us with at least a chance in the conversation for playoff births during the season (and a chance to actually earn one if factors such as avoiding injuries to key players turn out favorably during any given season).

So when I support Franklin it isn't because I think he has already had Saban-level success and can do no wrong or never makes a bad decision, it is because I don't want the program to go BACKWARDS. Backwards is the most likely outcome of dismissing or losing Franklin. Currently, on any given year, PSU at least has a puncher's chance...why would we give that up unless Saban himself is heading north?
 
Cannot develop quarterbacks?

Trace McSorley says hello.
So do Tommy Stevens and Will Levis, who left because they couldn’t win the starting job but started at other schools.
TM was a perfect fit for JoMo’s offense and if anything it was JoMo who developed him. Stevens and Levis were not well developed QB’s when they left PSU and Stevens eventually lost his starting job to a freshman. If anything, the KY coaching staff helped to develop Levis to a higher level than what he was here, although he is really just a fairly competent starter that primarily hands the ball off and can run. Perfect backup. Unfortunately, your examples don’t inspire confidence in great QB development by the PSU coaching staff. Those two did not set the world afire when they left, such as setting all kinds of records at the schools they went to. If they did, that would speak volumes they were fully developed by CJF and his staff. I do believe that Yurchich has brought Clifford to a higher level and it is unfortunate that he had not been at Penn State for all of Clifford’s career.
 
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TM was a perfect fit for JoMo’s offense and if anything it was JoMo who developed him. Stevens and Levis were not well developed QB’s when they left PSU and Stevens eventually lost his starting job to a freshman. If anything, the KY coaching staff helped to develop Levis to a higher level than what he was here, although he is really just a fairly competent starter that primarily hands the ball off and can run. Perfect backup. Unfortunately, your examples don’t inspire confidence in great QB development by the PSU coaching staff. Those two did not set the world afire when they left, such as setting all kinds of records at the schools they went to. If they did, that would speak volumes they were fully developed by CJF and his staff. I do believe that Yurchich has brought Clifford to a higher level and it is unfortunate that he had not been at Penn State for all of Clifford’s career.
Your post translated from bullshit to english:

When good stuff happens, someone other than Franklin made it happen.
When bad stuff happens, its Franklin's fault.

Got it.
 
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Comparing CJF with a vacuum again...smh

Despite the fact that his tenure has had a few low points, imho without CJF, PSU would be unequivocally WORSE. For various reasons, the name Penn State does not recruit for itself or represent itself the way that it once may have...CJF's leadership and charisma is to be given credit for competing for recruits at such a high level. This has kept PSU relevant each season except for last year. That said, although the OL and DL recruiting have experienced some success, it has certainly not been at the same level as recruiting for other positions, which is precisely why PSU is more prone to upsets (despite its talent at other positions) than the highest tier of teams with dominant lines. Also, he clearly has proven successful in recruiting stars, but the depth behind those stars has obviously been an issue; DL depth was a primary factor in the referenced lost leads in the OSU games.

Those of us who support Franklin are not contending that everything he does is perfect...but we have the foresight to reasonably and logically predict that his replacement will not recruit as well as him, win as much as he has, or have us with at least a chance in the conversation for playoff births during the season (and a chance to actually earn one if factors such as avoiding injuries to key players turn out favorably during any given season).

So when I support Franklin it isn't because I think he has already had Saban-level success and can do no wrong or never makes a bad decision, it is because I don't want the program to go BACKWARDS. Backwards is the most likely outcome of dismissing or losing Franklin. Currently, on any given year, PSU at least has a puncher's chance...why would we give that up unless Saban himself is heading north?
Youre assuming a level of critical thinking from these bed shitters that doesnt exist.
 
He had a .500 record at Fordham, 29-20 at Richmond, 32-31 at Bowling Green, and 47-45 at Wake with his best season being 8-5. Yeah, we’d be fortunate to have him over Franklin (eye roll).
Your post is a little misleading. Look at his final seasons at each school. Not saying we would want him over Franklin but in terms of record he improved each place over time. His last couple seasons at each school were dramatically better than the first. He is a program builder.
 
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2020 was a pointless season. It looked like Franklin didn’t prepare. But then we won our final four games. The question is why did he fire the OC after that turnaround? Was that just to save face for the start?
No , it was to hire a better offensive coordinator that the checkbook didn't allow previously. Yurcich's salary at 1.7 million was a big increase.
 
Your post is a little misleading. Look at his final seasons at each school. Not saying we would want him over Franklin but in terms of record he improved each place over time. His last couple seasons at each school were dramatically better than the first. He is a program builder.
He went from 8-5 to 4-5 at Wake….come on, Covid is no excuse….I read that on this board all the time. And PSU doesn’t need built…if a new coach is needed, it’s to improve upon three 11 win season in six years and to go from just missing the CFP multiple times to making it….that’s not a rebuild.
 
He went from 8-5 to 4-5 at Wake….come on, Covid is no excuse….I read that on this board all the time. And PSU doesn’t need built…if a new coach is needed, it’s to improve upon three 11 win season in six years and to go from just missing the CFP multiple times to making it….that’s not a rebuild.
You do realize he is 7-0 this year? Do you realize how hard it is to win at Wake Forest?
 
You do realize he is 7-0 this year? Do you realize how hard it is to win at Wake Forest?
You do realize he’s in the worst conference in college football and it’s even worse this year than ever? Even if he wins the division and gets to the ACC championship, he’ll get crushed by Narduzzi….let that sink in.
 
You do realize he’s in the worst conference in college football and it’s even worse this year than ever? Even if he wins the division and gets to the ACC championship, he’ll get crushed by Narduzzi….let that sink in
Still a good coach no matter what crap you spout. Not saying he is better than Franklin or should replace him but if CJF walks you better mentally prepare yourself for disappointment at the perceived level of coach we get.
 
First of all, it's "if he needs to be fired"

If you can't even speak English, how seriously should your opinions be taken?
 
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Still a good coach no matter what crap you spout. Not saying he is better than Franklin or should replace him but if CJF walks you better mentally prepare yourself for disappointment at the perceived level of coach we get.
Oh, I’m quite prepared for the level of coach we get which is why I hope like hell Franklin stays. The fantasy list of coaches isn’t going to happen, so we will end up with a blah P5 coach or some G5 coach who’s supposed to be great. If Franklin leaves, 9-3 will be our ceiling. I’d rather go after Bama’s university President and AD before I’d go after a different coach.
 
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