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No Nolan Ryan?
Surely you jest!!
*Or did I miss him?
No Nolan Ryan?
Surely you jest!!
*Or did I miss him?
Here we go again! Greatest baseball pitchers of ALL time!
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In my opinion the pitcher who accomplished the most during his career was Cy Young. The pitcher with the greatest stuff was Sandy Koufax. Just my opinion.
If I had one pitcher to choose for a Game 7, it would be Gibson in his prime--yet he lost a Game 7.
Before I clicked the link I knew my choice would be Koufax. He is on just about everyone's top 10 list, and while knowledgeable minds may differ, Koufax gets my vote.
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slideshow? nope, not doing it
anyway, it's either Koufax or Babe Ruth
anyway, it's either Koufax or Babe Ruth
I think they got it right with Koufax, but there are so many unknowables here:
1. How to rank the dead ball era guys (Walter Johnson, Christy Matthewson, and Cy Young) vis a vis the modern pitchers.
2. How to rank Roger Clemens, given his steroid history but stellar numbers.
3. How to rank Satchel Paige, given his abbreviated MLB tenure but obvious brilliance.
4. How to rank closers against starters. I think Mariano Rivera is ranked too low here, but I don't know exactly where I would slot him. All I know is that he was GREAT, and I hate the Yankees.
I also think they put Clayton Kershaw WAY too high. (I say this as a Dodgers fan.) No way he ranks above Bob Gibson, Lefty, or Tom Seaver, just to name three. Particularly given his difficulties in the postseason.
1. How to rank the dead ball era guys (Walter Johnson, Christy Matthewson, and Cy Young) vis a vis the modern pitchers.
2. How to rank Roger Clemens, given his steroid history but stellar numbers.
3. How to rank Satchel Paige, given his abbreviated MLB tenure but obvious brilliance.
4. How to rank closers against starters. I think Mariano Rivera is ranked too low here, but I don't know exactly where I would slot him. All I know is that he was GREAT, and I hate the Yankees.
I also think they put Clayton Kershaw WAY too high. (I say this as a Dodgers fan.) No way he ranks above Bob Gibson, Lefty, or Tom Seaver, just to name three. Particularly given his difficulties in the postseason.
He pitched in the first MLB game I ever went to--at Connie Mack Stadium when I was 8 or 9.Before I clicked the link I knew my choice would be Koufax. He is on just about everyone's top 10 list, and while knowledgeable minds may differ, Koufax gets my vote.
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Pedro Martinez in his prime was unbelievable. Considering he pitched in the height of the steroid era when you look at his numbers during that time it’s simply amazing, he was dominant.
Just as an aside. Los Angles doesn’t deserve a baseball team. In the mid sixties I attended a Dodgers vs Giants game. Koufax against Marachal and at the beginning of the eighth it was 0/0. Over 1/2 the people had already left and a good portion of those still there were heading to the exits.
OK. Follow me here.
When I think of Koufax I think of Dodger Blue.
And when I think of Dodger Blue, I think of other shades of blue.
And when I think of other shades of blue, I think of women wearing blue.
And when I think of women wearing blue, I think of my wife, or Diane Lane. Now, I am not obligated to post a picture of my wife in blue, but I will post one of Diane Lane.
When I think of Koufax I think of Dodger Blue.
And when I think of Dodger Blue, I think of other shades of blue.
And when I think of other shades of blue, I think of women wearing blue.
And when I think of women wearing blue, I think of my wife, or Diane Lane. Now, I am not obligated to post a picture of my wife in blue, but I will post one of Diane Lane.
In what IMHO is the greatest baseball book ever..Bill James original Historical Baseball Abstract (get it if you can, out of print for long time) he had Lefty Grove as 1, with Koufax so close as to be 1A.
That is by peak value (measuring them at their best), not career value which places more emphasis on length of career.
If memory serves Grove was number 1 there too.
The amazing thing about Koufax is that the fewer runs the Dodgers gave him to work with, the better he was.
That is by peak value (measuring them at their best), not career value which places more emphasis on length of career.
If memory serves Grove was number 1 there too.
The amazing thing about Koufax is that the fewer runs the Dodgers gave him to work with, the better he was.
There was one season where the leading hitter on the team--and the only guy to hit .300--was Don Drysdale.
I’m no particular order, I’ve seen the following pitchers in their prime and watched them overpower lineups consistently over the course of their careers: Bob Gibson, Tom Seaver and Steve Carlton. Certainly for a span of over 5 years, each was probably the best pitcher in MLB in their primes. As a side note, I was a little too young to see Sandy Koufax, who probably would have made my list as well. I have his baseball card from his last year with the Dodgers, but I was only 6 years old.
OK. Follow me here.
When I think of Koufax I think of Dodger Blue.
And when I think of Dodger Blue, I think of other shades of blue.
And when I think of other shades of blue, I think of women wearing blue.
And when I think of women wearing blue, I think of my wife, or Diane Lane. Now, I am not obligated to post a picture of my wife in blue, but I will post one of Diane Lane.
I've lost all respect for you 'fair'.
Bob Gibson. His 1968 season still unmatched. Plus no hitter would dare show him up. Try it and you’d fear for your life the next at bat.
Even in Old Timer games.... Saw one in Cleveland once. Guy hits a dinger off Gibby--next time he's in the dirt.Bob Gibson. His 1968 season still unmatched. Plus no hitter would dare show him up. Try it and you’d fear for your life the next at bat.
Of course, he lost Game 7 in 1968.
Actually he’s not the only one. The award wasn’t created until 1956
Walter Johnson
Pete Alexander
Christy Mathewson
Put Galvin
Kid Nichols
All have over 350 wins and No CY awards
Pud Galvin made the Baseball Hall of Fame, so he has a very meaningful achievement going for him. Thank God, because his first name was Pud. How would you like to go through life with a first name like that?
I'm not making a plug for Jim Palmer but it is interesting to note that: Baltimore Orioles pitcher Jim Palmer had quite a few impressive accomplishments throughout his career. A three time Cy Young award winner, he is the only pitcher to win World Series games in three different decades, never allowed a grand slam or back to back home runs, and brought home four Gold Glove awards.
I had heard he never gave up a grand slam and Googled it and found that info above.
I had heard he never gave up a grand slam and Googled it and found that info above.
IMO, Carlton should be higher...I mean the dude won 27 games one year when his team only won 59. That alone is telling in how dominant Lefty was and had a pretty good stick to go with it! My favorite of all time!
Perhaps not quite as remarkable as Ron Guidry in 1978, who went 25-3 with a 1.74 ERA and a 0.95 WHIP -- against 9-hitter lineups. McClain never faced a DH in 1968.
It’s only fair that a Lefty is first. We are, after all, God’s Chosen People
Still remember watching a game where Gibson put Clemente in the dirt and Clemente broke his leg on the first pitch next time up.
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Bob Gibson. His 1968 season still unmatched. Plus no hitter would dare show him up. Try it and you’d fear for your life the next at bat.
I heard McCarver tell a story once where Gibson got into a little bit of trouble and he called time and went out to the mound to calm him down. Gibson turns around, sees McCarver standing in front of him, and asks him "What the hell are you doing here, get back there and catch!" You don't tug on Supermans cape, spit into the wind, or try to tell Bob Gibson how to pitch.
I believe that Koufax was absolutely number uno. I watched him play on a team that would produce 2-3 runs - if lucky. He was unhittable. Mantle said after the world series that Koufax could tell you where he was going to throw the pitch and I still could not hit it! I would put Gibson second and Drysdale third.
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