Hodge voting has begun. This year Win Magazine is increasing the Fan's Vote for points for the Hodge. I think we should all rally behind Carter Starocci for Hodge. Although Aaron is great, with one loss he is not in the running. Go to Win Magazine and VOTE!
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The 2023 Dan Hodge Trophy Presented by ASICS Fan Vote - WIN Magazine
Hodge Trophy Voting Criteria: 1 – Record 2 – Dominance/Bonus-Point Percentage 3 – Quality of Competition 4 – Sportsmanship How the Hodge Trophy Selection Process Works: Like the Heisman Trophy, all past Hodge winners get an official Hodge Vote for each year they won the award. The additional...
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Fan vote is over.
I thought career was one of the considerations. Not listed. Did it used to be or am I making that up?
The 2023 Dan Hodge Trophy Presented by ASICS Fan Vote - WIN Magazine
Hodge Trophy Voting Criteria: 1 – Record 2 – Dominance/Bonus-Point Percentage 3 – Quality of Competition 4 – Sportsmanship How the Hodge Trophy Selection Process Works: Like the Heisman Trophy, all past Hodge winners get an official Hodge Vote for each year they won the award. The additional...
I thought career was one of the considerations. Not listed. Did it used to be or am I making that up?
Used to be, was removed this year.
As it should have been. No need to make an annual award into an "honorary Oscar" for lifetime achievement.
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Statistically Alirez should get it, but I agree Parris will win it. Parris has the higher pin percentage too.
Several deserving candidates, including Carter. But I’m not going to argue against Parris winning it. He’s as deserving as anyone.
Regularly or frequently pinning other heavyweights is extremely impressive.
Carter needed to go to a couple opens to pin a bunch of backups, that would have made him better than Parris.
Not a good look IMO. Why get provoked on social media, nothing good comes from it, especially when you are a high profile personality. Next year go undefeated with the highest bonus and you'll get yours. Enough said.
Lol. I was just gonna post that I look forward to Carters insulting tweet towards the news. Not fast enough. I agree tho...not a good look bit let's face it, people would be more shocked now if he didn't say anything. Lol
30% of Parris’ wins this year were against guys who were on the podium. He was 10-0 vs. placers. While it is the international styles, there were how many junior/cadet/U23 world medalists at the weight? Definitely wasn’t a weak weight this year (or last, which makes what Gable did last year that much more impressive).
- 1 Parris - U20 gold
- 2 Kerk - U20 silver, U17 gold/silver
- 4 Cass - U23 gold/bronze
- 5 Davison - U20 silver
- 6 Elam - U20 silver
- 7 Schultz - U20 silver/bronze, U17 gold, SR Nationals champ, Olympic Trials 2nd
- R12 Orndorff - U23 world team qualifier
- R12 Slavikouski - Euro bronze
That's as far into the brackets as I cared to go.
Absurd number of world medals at one college weight.
Someone has to be on the podium but the guys on the 285 podium are not as good.
285 and to some extent 125 will ALWAYS be the weakest weights. Those weights have the FEWEST competitors. Those weights have the MOST forfeits. That is reality. Middle weights have the most competition and the most depth.
It says a lot when multiple 197 lbers can move up and win national championships against guys who are 50+ lbs heavier.
Im sure the folks who will be voting for next years Hodge wont forget about this.
Not a fan of Carter's reply. This is a situation where you can make an argument that Starocci deserves it, but you can't make an argument that Parris doesn't, so why denigrate him for it?
... please list the multiple 197-pounders who have moved up and won national championships against guys who are 50-pounds heavier. Specifics to validate your point please. I'll provide my supporting material below on your claims.
As star-studded as heavyweight has been the last two years, its not a weight weight. It may not be the best weight, but it's hardly weak.
But let me drop some actual reality on you for a second. You bring up forfeits, which may actually be correct at the high school level (more at the highest and lowest weights), but at the Division I level, the data doesn't support the assertion.
125 pounds had the most forfeits in D1 duals this year with 23. That isn't the lesser extent (you'll see why in a second).
125 was followed by 157 and 197, with 17 forfeits each, then 285 with 11.
The least forfeited weight was 141 pounds, where only four forfeits in D1 matches were recorded.
This does not include the medicals, with wrestlers bailing out on tournaments, but situations where teams put athletes out on the mat.
Now, let's see if there were fewer heavies entered into the conference tournaments, since every team has the opportunity to enter someone there. Looks like 285 had just as many entries (77) as all the other weights, save one ACC weight where Duke had a late scratch and there were only 5 in a weight.
Not saying it is common, but Kerry McCoy and Anthony Cassar moved up to 285 and won NCAA titles. Can't think of any others off the top of my head, but their have been others that moved up and finished as AA. I agree that I don't think 285 is generally a weak weight, but it is generally a top heavy weight. 125 is a whole nother can of worms as so many freshman come in and AA.
Snyder. Not sure what the point is here anyway.
Nature follows a bell curve and there's clearly smaller pool of athletes at heavy and 125. Likewise heavy is probably even more diluted due to some of the better athletes at that size going football. At the end of the day Parris was deserving the Hodge this year. Every year there can be a debate over number two or three. Let's move on, and watch Carter or Aaron or both get it next year!
The thing I hate about Carters comment is that it’s pretty much a shot at Kerk. Beating Kerk 3 times is impressive and maybe more so than any win Carter had this season. Carter discounting Parris winning the hodge is also discounting the guys he beat to win it. Not a good look in my view. I wish Carter had won but I think Parris deserved it
Interesting take. I’ve always thought of 125 as somewhat weak because it tends to have more underclassman who can still make the weight. But it’s hard to argue against what you said about 285.
He can be a …., but he’s our ….
Still loved his comment when Dake announced he was coming to NLWC.
Actually I think it's a pretty easy argument for 285 -- the list of world medalists (see above).
The real argument against 285 is talent dilution from football, but no other country has that issue. Plus they're full-time, government-funded, and dedicated freestyle (or Greco).
Do any other college weights match that number of world medalists?
Yeah but in high school 30-some years ago, our 189 lber constantly bumped up and won at HWT. So there’s that.
I think he had to weigh 188+ to bump up and it was a struggle for him to weigh enough.
Olympic champ beat someone else. Easy weight.Yeah but in high school 30-some years ago, our 189 lber constantly bumped up and won at HWT. So there’s that.
I think he had to weight 188+ to bump up and it was a struggle for him to weigh enough.
Next time I’ll consider all arguments before ruling for the plaintiff.
I don't agree that 285 is some naturally weaker weight, but 4 of the last 7 titles meet your initial indignant paragraph!
Even though he didn't win (finalist), I think you can include Derek White to the list.
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