HR rumor not good for the Goofers

[Chickenman Testa]

While everyone is innocent until proven guilty and false accusations can happen, the reality is that statistically speaking FAR more sexual assaults go unreported than are drummed up out of nowhere. And it's not even close.

Just from the personal experience of listening to my ex-wife talk about her friends, I’d believe that. One day she started rattling off the number of her friends who had been assaulted - up to and including rape in severity. She named 9 sorority sisters and post-grad friends. It shocked me. None of them reported it because they were too shocked, ashamed, convinced no one would believe them, etc.

 

[diggerpup]

Just from the personal experience of listening to my ex-wife talk about her friends, I’d believe that. One day she started rattling off the number of her friends who had been assaulted - up to and including rape in severity. She named 9 sorority sisters and post-grad friends. It shocked me. None of them reported it because they were too shocked, ashamed, convinced no one would believe them, etc.

This above, unfortunately.

1 of 6 women in the US have been the victims of sexual assault, attempted rape or rape.

The majority go unreported.

 

[LorenzoFan]

Gable will still be a 3x champ!






in the NAIA

 

[nitlion6]

We could speculate about how quickly Jammen jumps to Nebraska.

I was thinking maybe a new Syracuse Orange fan.

 

[RoarLions1]

Back on the subject, please.

Mistreatment of women, and child abuse are heinous crimes. Re. this Minnesota story, way too early to say much of anything.

 

[Wrestler2u]

Do we know that the victim was a woman? Could this alleged event be some sort of criminal hazing?

 

[El-Jefe]

Do we know that the victim was a woman? Could this alleged event be some sort of criminal hazing?

First thought that came to my mind, when none of the articles mentioned the victim's gender.

 

[CowboyUp61]

Looks like he will be taking an Orange Shirt this season.

tacky, but still got a grin!

 

[Dogwelder]

tacky, but still got a grin!

Yoda says:
Grin.
Or grin not.
There is no “Too cool for this joke I am, but grinned anyway I did.”

 

[nerfstate]

OP’s article from channel 5 here has been updated with the latest released details. The hazing theory seems fairly plausible. The joker in me wonders if they were preparing a Xanax mule for a flight or something, but this still isn’t really a joking matter, so I’ll accept the shame.

 

[Flying_Tiger]

Do we know that the victim was a woman? Could this alleged event be some sort of criminal hazing?

Just an fyi, fingers could fall under the definition of an object in these kind of statutes.

 

[aalion]

very prominent Main Line high school had a huge sports hazing scandal of this type a few years ago. Cost a long time coach his job. And it turned out to be complete fabrication. Be careful.

 

[tikk10]

Just an fyi, fingers could fall under the definition of an object in these kind of statutes.

That's not accurate, the MN criminal statutes definition section distinguishes "any part of the actor's body" from "object". That said, it doesn't really matter because the distinction is meaningless for the purposes of assessing culpability or penalty.

 

[Aardvark86]

This above, unfortunately.

1 of 6 women in the US have been the victims of sexual assault, attempted rape or rape.

The majority go unreported.

Yes, the number is absolutely underreported, but I believe that statistic has been criticized as a pretty loaded one.

 

[GOLDBANGER]

It does my heart good that we have reserved judgement on this young man. Let the system work it's magic as the founders intended, and then formulate our opinions.

 

[Str8DBLz]

This is NOT looking good for gable. Being reported that he held down another team-mate at Martinez's house during a hazing act.

 

[Hotshoe]

It does my heart good that we have reserved judgement on this young man. Let the system work it's magic as the founders intended, and then formulate our opinions.

We're definitely going to reserve judgment. We're Penn State and if we have half a brain we always will. God knows the other board sure as hell hasn't. It's ignorant and a really bad look.

 

[McScoreley]

This is NOT looking good for gable. Being reported that he held down another team-mate at Martinez's house during a hazing act.

It sounds similar to the Myles Hartsfield case (former PSU commit now at Ole Miss)

 

[tewlepz]

This is NOT looking good for gable. Being reported that he held down another team-mate at Martinez's house during a hazing act.

Where are you seeing this?

 

[SWPA]

Where are you seeing this?

Please don't say HR.

 

[ccdiver]

This article just posted. Says both wrestlers still in custody.

http://www.startribune.com/gable-st...spicion-of-criminal-sexual-conduct/511380891/

 

[rassling]

This is NOT looking good for gable. Being reported that he held down another team-mate at Martinez's house during a hazing act.

Also wondering where this is being reported. I live in Minnesota and haven't been able to find anything.

 

[PSUcup1]

First thought that came to my mind, when none of the articles mentioned the victim's gender.

This was my first thought as well

 

[tikk10]

I looked at HR and Guillotine there's nothing specific that's been reported beyond what's been reported in the links posted here. I do see a lot of speculation in those places, and here, about it being related to a hazing incident, mostly due to mention of an object, but that's really not a lot to go on.

I do find it odd that they're still in custody and haven't been charged, which could mean that the prosecutors are debating how to proceed (Do they have the facts? Which statutes apply?), or that they couldn't find a prosecutor over the weekend.

Still very little to go on.

FWIW, the victim's gender probably won't make a meaningful difference with respect to the a assault statutes, though I imagine it'll be perceived differently politically if it turns out to have been a hazing incident.

 

[nerfstate]

I looked at HR and Guillotine there's nothing specific that's been reported beyond what's been reported in the links posted here. I do see a lot of speculation in those places, and here, about it being related to a hazing incident, mostly due to mention of an object, but that's really not a lot to go on.

I do find it odd that they're still in custody and haven't been charged, which could mean that the prosecutors are debating how to proceed (Do they have the facts? Which statutes apply?), or that they couldn't find a prosecutor over the weekend.

Still very little to go on.

FWIW, the victim's gender probably won't make a meaningful difference with respect to the a assault statutes, though I imagine it'll be perceived differently politically if it turns out to have been a hazing incident.

I was wondering about the “in custody” without charges for so long too. TV law tells me that isn’t constitutional—what circumstances would make that not so, Tikk?

 

[BVSt.Paul]

I was wondering about the “in custody” without charges for so long too. TV law tells me that isn’t constitutional—what circumstances would make that not so, Tikk?

They can be held until noon on Tuesday. Then they’re released unless charged. My guess is they’ll be arraigned shortly if charged. Never good to be jailed over the weekend.

http://m.startribune.com/gable-stev...spicion-of-criminal-sexual-conduct/511380891/

 

[tikk10]

I was wondering about the “in custody” without charges for so long too. TV law tells me that isn’t constitutional—what circumstances would make that not so, Tikk?

Due process requires charges within a reasonable time frame, which period hinges on the seriousness of the offense and which state you're in. Since the article says they have until noon today, central time, I imagine the period here for the offense described was 48 hours. EDIT to correct to noon Tuesday, and yes, the toll is 36 hours, not including the date of arrest and Sunday.

 

[diggerpup]

They can be held until noon central. Then they’re released unless charged. My guess is they’ll be arraigned shortly if charged. Never good to be jailed over the weekend.

http://m.startribune.com/gable-stev...spicion-of-criminal-sexual-conduct/511380891/

Article said “noon Tuesday”.

 

[El-Jefe]

Article said “noon Tuesday”.

No way Steveson lasts that long without gassing.

 

[BVSt.Paul]

Oops, right noon Tuesday. Will correct.

I believe the rule is 36 hours and it starts at midnight the day of the arrest. Unfortunately for GS, Sundays and holidays don’t count. So his 36 hour clock didn’t start running until midnight Sunday night.

 

[tikk10]

Oops, right noon Tuesday. Will correct.

I believe the rule is 36 hours and it starts at midnight the day of the arrest. Unfortunately for GS, Sundays and holidays don’t count. So his 36 hour clock didn’t start running until midnight Sunday night.

Thanks for that. Here's a good page describing MN's 36 hour rule.
https://www.joshjohnsonlaw.com/36-and-48-hour-rules-how-long-can-you-be-kept-jail-after-arrest

 

[dropster45]

Hate to see this in the news. I’m glad it’s not us though, but still. It’s a good reason to make sure our recruits are squeaky clean. Drug histories, assault, getting expelled from school, and certainly things that fall into this specific example should be avoided at all cost.

 

[IAChief32]

Ha ha, good to see u over here Chief.

Had to...the Orange Shirt comment was cynical and too soon...and I really wish I would have thought of it myself

 

[Flying_Tiger]

That's not accurate, the MN criminal statutes definition section distinguishes "any part of the actor's body" from "object". That said, it doesn't really matter because the distinction is meaningless for the purposes of assessing culpability or penalty.

Yea, it varies state to state, that's why I said it could. I wasn't motivated enough to pull the Minnesota statute, would of felt too much like work, lol.

Frustrating to have this discussion, these guys had the world at their feet and now they may have messed up their lives in a big way.

 

[jammenz]

Steveson's attorney said that he talked to the police and expects to be released. Kids, don't ever talk to the police. People think that they can talk their way out of trouble even though the Miranda warning explicitly says "Anything you say may be used against you in a court of law." This law professor and former defense attorney explains why:

 

[Dogwelder]

Yea, it varies state to state, that's why I said it could ...

So the word “could” could mean “cannot”?
God help the English language!

Also, does it really vary from state to state?

 

[diggerpup]

Someone already has it as their new avatar over on HR. I know I shouldn't have, but chuckled when I saw it. Those guys are consistent if anything.

They’re just giddy that none of their wrestlers shot any of their teammates so far this off-season.

 

[JohnBasedow]

They’re just giddy that none of their wrestlers shot any of their teammates so far this off-season.

Easy now don’t go jinxing it. Got a long summer ahead of us.

 

[js8793]

What is he transferring to Okie state?

Oklahoma State already picked up a heavyweight transfer this year in Shawn Streck who was dismissed from Purdue's team for (allegedly) threatening his ex gf with a gun. I think they're set at HWT for now.

 

[Sportfan2017]

Man......this sounds serious for Minnesota. They might have to require a second page for their essays.